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Physical Performance Coach, Charlie Marshall, joins the KHPP. With a diverse background in clinical work, military rehabilitation, and professional sports, Charlie’s journey took off when he joined a high-profile musician on-tour.
After building up a client base and networking, he worked his way into professional golf, where he is now the performance physio for PGA Tour golfer, Justin Rose.
On today’s episode, Charlie gives us an inside look at what it’s like working with high profile clientele. From life on the road to high pressure situations, he shares advice on how to create your own luck and navigate through this world of performance.
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Welcome to the Keiser Human Performance Podcast.
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The goal of this podcast. is to educate and inspire you to make the most of your
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journey in health and
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performance. Each episode will provide an in-depth discussion on a specific topic related to human performance.
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If you're a growth-minded
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individual seeking knowledge and better solutions,
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this
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podcast is for you. We're glad you're listening in, and we're excited to learn alongside
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you. My name is Gabe Derman, and today I'm joined by physical
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performance. coach Charlie Marshall.
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With a diverse background
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in- clinical work, military rehabilitation, and professional sports,
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Charlie's journey took off when he joined a high-profile musician on tour. After building up a client base and networking,
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he worked his way into professional
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golf, where he is now the performance. physio for PGA Tour golfer Justin Rose.
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On today's
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episode, Charlie gives us an inside look at what it's like working with high-profile
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clientele. From life on the road to high-pressure situations,
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he shares advice on how to
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create your own luck and navigate through this world of performance.
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To stay up to date
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on Charlie, you' can follow him on Instagram at cgmperformance.
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We' hope you' enjoy today's
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episode. Charlie, what's
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up, my man? How are you? Yeah, all. good.
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Thanks for having me on.
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Been a- Of course ... yeah, long time,
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long time coming,
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so looking forward to it.
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Yeah. I appreciate you taking the time to join me today on, the Keiser Human Performance
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Podcast. Definitely excited to learn about your world of
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performance and offer our listeners a unique look into, you know, what's it like working, with higher profile clientele.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. So obviously, um, I think we got connected
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'cause I posted a, a
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Instagram post and, um, um, Justin was using the, the Keiser belt
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squat machine, and you said, "Could you recycle it' on
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your, on your Instagram?" So that, it was quite a cool way to connect with you. So,
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um,
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yeah, it's, it
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was a quite a, sort of natural sort of connection and then chatting to you on the phone
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I was, uh... Yeah, I was very
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excited to sort of hear what you do, and obviously I love the Keiser product. So
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yeah, really looking forward to this one.
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Totally. Likewise. Definitely excited about it. And before I do that, and before we get into our conversation,
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I gotta ask, how is your golf game as of late? Are you trending in the
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right direction? Oh, if I'm honest with you, my golf game has been overtaken
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by padel, so
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Really?
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Yeah.
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There's, there's been like a massive,
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uh,
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massive padel
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sort of... What's like,
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it's just really got big in the UK at the moment. So
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we've got like about eight of my mates that we, we play with. Um, so I haven't
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played as much. I can remember a really nice club,
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but I've probably only played like
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probably
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eight times this year. But I've, I've got a bit of time off now, so I'm,
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yeah, gonna sort of get down the club and start practicing again and,
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um, try and get myself back into
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it. So, um, I need to, 'cause the, the course I'm a member, member at is so peaceful
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as well, so I love going up there. It's just like a nice quiet time for
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me. Um,
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so yeah, it's, it's, uh, yeah, something I need to definitely get back on board with. Yeah.
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I haven't made my way into the realm of padel yet. I started, you know, in the States pickleball is
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huge right now.
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Um, so I've been playing a little bit of that and a little bit less golf.
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So,
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um, yeah, I'm kind of in that, in that
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same boat as you where I would love to be able to get back on the course soon.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's so tough, 'cause obviously I've got two young kids, so obviously four hours
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out my... Well, six hours out your
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day, um, with travel time
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and then all versus padel, which are two hours.
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So I think my wife prefers me playing padel at the moment.
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Yeah.
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All right. We can jump into it. Uh, definitely, like I said, excited to, uh, to learn some more. So,
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you know, I know you've had quite a diverse background when it comes to your experience in performance. You
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began working with athletes at a university.
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From there you moved into semi-professional football,
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and
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after that you worked as a rehab consultant, if I recall, for the military.
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So out of those three, kind of which was your favorite experience and why?
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Um,
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yeah.
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So the, the degree I did, uh, um, in the UK was slightly different to a traditional sort of physio-
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physiotherapy degree.
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So I did a sports rehabilitation degree,
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which basically meant that a lot of the placements was focused on working with sports teams.
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Whereas if you were to do a physiotherapy degree in the UK,
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um, it's a very similar curriculum, but you do a lot of your placements at like hospitals
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and, uh... So you do like a neuro placement, you'll do like a cardiac placement,
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you'll do a MSK
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placement, um, and then you might do like a,
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you know, like a sports teams placement or even then I think you have to kind of source that yourself.
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So the reason I was attracted to that degree was 'cause I knew I did want to work
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in sport. So growing up as, um,
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a kid, I, I mainly played football. Golf
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was kind of like a hobby. Um, I did boxing for probably five or six years as well. So,
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um, I was always into sports and that was kind of what I
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loved doing. Um, but
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I, I actually originally started doing a product
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design degree, and I did that for like a year and a half,
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um, and kind of realized that, you know, I did, I did enjoy it, but it's not what I
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wanted
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to do. Um, and then that's when I found like the sports rehab degree and, um, yeah, I just absolutely
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loved it and I loved going in all my placements. I did, um,
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I worked at, uh, three professional football clubs and then we ran a student clinic as well.Um,
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so,
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but to be honest, I was really glad I did the placements at the football club at uni, because it
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kind of made me realize I didn't wanna work in professional
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football, um, very early on, which I think really helped me, 'cause I think a lot of people,
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you know, see that as their dream, 'cause football's so big in the UK, but actually the lifestyle of
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it
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is a lot of evenings, a lot of weekends, a lot of
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away trips. Um, and to be honest, the money ain't great. Like, unless you're head of the medical department at
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a
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top club,
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then you, you're not earning good money for the amount of hours and shift you're putting in.
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Um,
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so that kind of... So I actually worked semi-prof- in a semi-professional club, which
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was just couple evenin- a couple of evenings,
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um, and then a, a weekend where I'd, you know, do a match on
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a Saturday. So,
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um, whi- which I, I loved, 'cause a lot of my mates played in the team as well. My brother
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played
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in it. Um, and the manager was a good friend of mine as well. So that was, that
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was actually a lot... I kind of did it because of that reason,
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um, 'cause it was fun to be around,
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and I weren't playing football anymore, so, um, it, you know, I still wanted to be around the changing room
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and
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stuff. Um, and then I was working, um, in a clinic as well, so, uh, chiropractor clinic,
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doing the rehab and doing the soft tissue work there.
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Um, so I kind of that's, I, I think that's where I kind of learnt my trade from a
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clientele. point of view.
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You know, you- you're churning through the clients, you know, eight to 10 clients a day over and over, and
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I did that for probably two
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to three years. Um, and yeah, then I, then I joined the military, which was, you know, an a-
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an amazing experience for me. Um, I worked in the, the complex... I didn't actually join the military, sorry. I
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worked for the Ministry of Defence.
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So I didn't, uh, didn't go in and, like, enroll in the military. I was a,
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um, I was a civilian working in the Minis- Ministry of Defen- Defense, basically,
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um, at a place called, uh, Headley Court. So it was specifically for
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injured,
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um,
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you know, combat,
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um,
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uh, combat
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soldiers. Um, so it was, and it w-
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it
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was from,
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you know, the SAS to
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the Paras to
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the Navy, so it was everyone, to the army.
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So everyone was included in that, and it was really the severe injuries that would go
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to Headley Court. So they would come in, and they would stay for, like, two to three
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weeks, so they'd live there.
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Um, and I worked in the complex trauma department. So the complex trauma department
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was, um,
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all, so, like, amputations,
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um,
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any
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neu- uh, it was kind of mi- a mixture of neuro injuries with other complications.
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You know, they, they know how bad their issues are, and they know how far they need to go
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to get b- to get where they want to go. So I think you needed to make the
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rehab, one, fun
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for them, um, otherwise they wouldn't be engaged,
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but two, it needs to be so creative that it doesn't feel like rehab to them.
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Um, so you're really trying to, like, you know, sneak it in into a game, or you're trying
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to sneak it in into a combined movement, or,
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um, you know, you're, you're trying
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to pair some rehab techniques together.
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So, um,
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that, uh, and I think that's kind of stuck with me, um, especially when working with, with athletes, because
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ultimately we are,
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as,
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you know, human beings, I think people
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do get, get bored with
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doing the same stuff over and over.
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So I think, uh, being creative and almost, like, showing them something a little bit different,
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um, it, you know, I think
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that really helps, um, whe- when you do have a new client come
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in. Um, so yeah, that, I think that's, that, working at the, the military was definitely a massive,
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uh, massive, um,
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like,
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um... I suppose it, it really helped my confidence in rehab, but, um, it was just a ma- massive learning
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experience for me, and I loved every minute of
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it. Yeah. So,
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uh, you mentioned a lot of great things there, and again, just how all of these steps in a sequence
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helped lead you to where you're at now and how each kind of experience has contributed to kind
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of who you are now and the approach that you take working with the clientele that you're with now. I
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have to ask about your brother, though, because you coached your brother now.
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Was he your least favorite client ever or your favorite
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client ever? No, I mean, my, my brother actually, uh, he lives in Australia now. So I haven't seen him
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in a long time. But, um, no, we were so close,
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so, and we kind of had the same friendship group, and
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so it was, yeah, a lot, I loved working in that, in, in the, uh, the semi-professional team when he
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was playing, so it was, it was good fun. We used to travel there together, travel to away
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games. So yeah, it was a, I, I really enjoyed doing
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that. Yeah. But I def- wouldn't wanna do it with a group of people that I wasn't close
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with 'cause it is just-
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You've got all these different experience like we talked about and, hey, if I
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can work with someone who has a really serious, significant, maybe life-threatening injury,
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just allows you to have maybe more tools in your coaching toolbox to relate to any type of person.
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Is that
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right? Yeah, for sure. That's, that's probably a good way of phrasing
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it, actually. Um, and I, I love the ana- the analogy of the toolbox as well because, um, you know,
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I think your toolbox is shaped by your experiences and who you've worked with and, um,
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you know, I, I, I would
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openly say I think all the stuff that I've learned,
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um,
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that I feel like is the most important stuff is everything that I've learned after
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uni.
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Um, you know, y- uh, you know, it's like you, you're learning the basics, and I think it's the same
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with, you know, if I was to
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study to be,
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you know, uh, an electrician or a plumber or whatever, you, you know, you learn the basics, you learn what
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you need
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to do, but
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then you gotta go and do it, and it's, you know, it's not always plain sailing, and you're gonna make
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mistakes. And I think that's one thing that I was always a little bit worried about when I first started
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out in my career is, like, not making a mistake.
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You know, and I was so caught up in the, the emotional aspect of like, oh, this person's
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not getting better,
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you know, what am I
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doing wrong,
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um, when actually it's all part of your learning and development. So,
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you know, any-New people listening to this who have just started in this
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career,
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like obviously don't be, don't be afraid to make
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mistakes, but, and they ultimately will happen.
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Um, so it's just about how you learn from them and develop and, um, and stuff like that, so.
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I think, I think we bring on a lot of people in a lot of different verticals of human
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performance, and we have a lot of coaches that will listen in on this or, or PTs, athletic trainers, and
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I think the majority of them work through organizations or universities,
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uh, or high- schools.
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And I think
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as a, quote, "outsider", we always kind of see stuff on social media or see, you know, your more, um,
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high profile people in the world that are working out. I'm always interested, like what is LeBron James
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doing? You know, what is this person doing? Yeah. It catches
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our eyes
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and I think all of us, I can speak as one of those people, always kind of think, "I wonder
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what that's like. Like, I wonder what that experience is like." And that was part of the
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draw in having this conversation with you, uh, is you've had the opportunity to be around some pretty high profile
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people in this performance.
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role. So kind of leaning into that part of the
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conversation, I know when you jumped,
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when you made the jump from the military as a rehab consultant and then out into, um, the world outside
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of that at performance,
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I believe you started working with a high-profile musician to start off.
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Is that correct? Yes, I did. It was, uh, that was a pretty crazy time in my life, actually. It
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was, uh, I, I basically got
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very, very lucky, and that is a- another thing in, uh, in, in
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this, uh, industry as well, is like when, when you get an
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opportunity
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and, um, you know, even if you feel like you might not be ready for it, you've still got to
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try and take it, in my
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opinion. Um, so, and that's kind of what' happened to me. So I was, I was still working
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at the military and a friend of mine from university, um,
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he's, he's a, I don't know how to describe him. He's
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a bit of like a, he's like a link man, like he links people
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together. Does that make sense? He's a connector.
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He's a connector.
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So he's a, he's a really good.
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guy, um, doing
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really well for himself, but he's been Drake's personal trainer for, you know, since Drake wasn't even
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famous. Um, so, and he somehow knew
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Johnny and, um, he basically just, Johnny messaged him, said, "Look, I need someone, you know, to come to the
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O2 and do some treatment on. Drake because, uh, he's basically, he's hurt his calf.
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Um, do
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you know anyone?" So he called me, and I'd literally just got in from work, and he's like,
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"Mate," he's like, "What are
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you doing?" I was like, "I
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just, just got in from
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work." And, uh- ... he's like, "Do you want to go to the O2 and treat Drake?"
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I was like, "Yeah, all
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right, mate." Like, I was like, "You're, you're taking the piss."
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And he's like, he's like, "No, s- seriously, I'm not joking." He's like, "His manager
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will call you."
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And I was like,
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I was like half thinking, "There's no way he's telling the truth," because he was a- bit of like
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a,
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you know, he talked things up- Right ... a little bit a- as it. was anyway. So I
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was like, I was like, "There's no way." So I put the phone down anyway. So 10 minutes later, this
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American
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guy called me,
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and he's like, "Hey, I got your, got your number
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off, um, blah, blah, blah.
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Uh, are, are you on your way
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to the O2?" And I was
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like,
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I was like, "Yeah, yeah, I'm just on my way." Like I, I wasn't, but I was like, "Yeah, I'm
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just
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on, on my way." I literally jumped in my
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car, and I probably live like 50 minutes from the O2, so but it's a
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long way. You've got to go all the way around, like this big road, like the M25, which is a
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big motorway, and the traffic can be horrendous, and it was like 6:00 o'clock in, in
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the evening. I was thinking, "This could take me like
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two hours to get there."
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Anyway, for some reason, there was no traffic on that evening, and
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I got there, and I just remember pulling up. I had like this
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old, I had like this old Renault Clio, like, car. I remember pulling up around the back of the
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O2, and I was like, "Yeah,
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I'm here to do some treatment on Drake." Walked in with my bed. But I remember, I, I just remember
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going into, his dressing room, and, I just sat there on my own, and I was in his dressing room,
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and I'm thinking, "Oh my God, I'm
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fucking in Drake's
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dressing room." I'm like, you know, I was petrified.
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Um,
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like just thinking, "Right, just be
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professional. Like, treat him like
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he, was a- any
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other client
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and just, yeah, like,
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so
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be, you know, professional, be courteous," you
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know.
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Anyway, he came out, and he was a lovely, lovely man, like took my hand. We
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did some tests. I did some treatment
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on him. Um,
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and then I just kept getting called back, so he, he ba- I basically stayed and watched the show.
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And I just remember messaging my, my mates, and I sent him, I sent him like
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the, you know, the backstage pass, and they're like, "What, what's going
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on?" Like, they didn't have a clue what was going
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on. And, um, they were just like, "Nah, you're joking." Like, no one beli- they didn't
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believe me.
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Um, and then, yeah, and, I ended up, uh, just kept getting called back to him,
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and then it got to the stage where they were going to Europe for like another 25 shows. And it,
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it was in Birmingham, the last show, and he came out and they, and he was like... I was sitting
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down with the tour manager, Kevin, who I'm still really good friends with. He
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lives in LA.
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Um, and
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he goes to me, he goes, "Oh, that's the best I've felt. Like, my calf felt amazing
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then. You know, thanks for everything." And then, uh, he kind of walked off, and Kevin
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went, "You're definitely gonna come on the rest
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of the tour now." And I,
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and I was like,
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"Really?" He's like, "Yeah, if he's just said, that," he's like, "You're definitely gonna
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come."
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Um, so then it w- like a week
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passed by and nothing, they didn't call me, nothing happened. But
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it's, kind of, it was kind of typical of them. They were very like unorganized, last
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minute. Right. Um, and I remember I was at work at the clinic and,
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um, I, I, I just saw Ke- I was with a client, I saw Kevin's,
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like, name flash up on my phone,
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and I was like, "I'm really
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sorry. I've, you know, really got to take this call. It's really important. Like I'm, you know, really sorry to
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sort of
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pause our session."
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And I was like, "Yeah, all right, mate." He goes, he goes, "I told you." He goes, "I want you
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to come on the rest of the tour."
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And I was like, "Oh my God." I was like, "Okay." I said, "I'll be there." He
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goes, he goes, "I'm booking you a flight now.
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It leaves in
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three hours." It was to Germany.I was like, okay. So I went round to the receptionist and was like, "I'm
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really sorry, you're gonna have... I had a full packed day. I had seven more clients." She goes, "I'm, I'm
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so sorry. Are they gonna have to cancel all my clients?" She was like, "What?
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Like,
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what? No, I can't." I was like, "I'm really sor- I can't, I can't explain to you right now.
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Please
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just do, it." And then, uh, yeah, so then I literally was, from then I was, I was away with
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him for sort of I think it was seven
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weeks in total, and we went all around Europe, ended up doing, like, 25 shows. Um, and then after that,
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I kind of kept getting called back to America, so probably did another, like, four or five weeks in America.
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But it got to the point where I, I was, like, going over there.
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I went over there
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and we went to,
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um,
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like, I think I went to Toronto, and then we flew to New York,
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then we flew to Vegas,
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and then we
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flew back to LA. And then, and I, I reckon I treated him, like, twice
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in that period. It was
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kind of like I was just, I was just there, like- You were part of the crew.
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Yeah. And, and I, and I kind of...
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I kept... I was... I was... 'Cause every time we would change cities, I
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would just message his manager. I'd be like,
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"You know, what, what am I doing?" Like, "Do you want me to come?"
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And he's like, "Yeah, yeah, just come.
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Just come." I'm like, "What?"
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I'm like,
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"Well, you
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know, does he need me?" He's like, "Yeah, just come." Like, "He might need
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you." So I was like, "Oh." So were you, were you... I mean, were you flying with them directly,
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or you have to- Uh, no ... like, find your own accommodation? He, he would fly private with probably, like,
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eight or 10 of his crew, and then- Yeah ... I would fly with a lot of the
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other guys. So we, we would... There would be, like, 12 of us and about
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50 pieces of luggage that we'd have
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to take. It was carnage.
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And were you typically... I mean, did this evolve into doing more stuff and, and different types of treatments, or
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were you really just focused on- Um, no ... kind of this calf thing the whole time? Oh, no. It,
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it, it, it did evolve. Like, obviously once he, the calf issue was gone, it was just more, like, maintenance
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work. And, um, so a typical show would be I'd do... I'd kind of do like
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a, a bit of like a, uh, a warm-up, kind of soft tissue work
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before he went on. And then I'd actually do a corrective
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warm-up, um, which was focused on, like, his lower
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limb, um,
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before he went out. And then after the show I'd do a treatment as well.
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So that wouldn't always happen. It depended how crazy the show was. If it was a
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bit of a crazier show, then he'd just have people in his dressing room and they'd be partying and stuff.
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But- Yeah ... um, you know, he, he was really focused on looking after his body and
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stuff. So, um, but he had such a weird schedule, 'cause he'd be up all night and then he'd sleep
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all day, 'cause his show was at night. Right. So he'd- Right ... he'd literally
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be... You know, so in the daytime, like, I had the whole days, like, to explore. It was amazing.
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You
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know, I'd, uh, yeah... And I, but I would, obviously I'd
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be going to bed at, like, 2:00, 3:00 AM, but then I, I'd just get up early, go gym, and
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then, uh, go explore whatever city
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I was in. So would you go...
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I mean,
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did you...
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After a while, would you stay in the dressing room?
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Would you go out and kind of watch each
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show, like... Yeah. So, yeah,
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I'd wa- I'd watch, m- I watched most of the shows.
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Um, so, um,
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and then, you know,
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I, I got to the point where I didn't watch all of them at the end,
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so,
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'cause it was, like, you know, you see it so
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many times,
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um, it gets, like, a...
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You know, it was an amazing show, but you, you know, there's only
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so many times you can, you can watch it and stuff. And especially if I was, like, a,
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you know, had a, had a long few days or whatever or a lot of travel,
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then we'd... I'd just hang backstage with the s- the tour managers and, you know, just
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chat really.
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So
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yeah, it was good. How many, how many moments did you have where you were just like, "How, uh, did
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I get here?" Uh, I think the... I th- Do you know what? I think the, the mo- the most
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amazing moment for me was when I was... You know, when all my friends came to Wem- to, uh, the
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O2 in- Mm. But it, we... He did, like, I think it was, like, the second to last show,
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and,
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um, I literally had all of my mates there. I had, like, eight or nine of them there.
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My brother was there.
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Um, and then we all had backstage passes. They came to the after party.
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And just, like, seeing
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how, you know, happy they were to be there and, you know, being
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able to give them that opportunity
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to, you know, just have such, such a
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fun night, that was, that was probably the best thing for me. And,
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you know, I, I... You know, it got to the point where, um, you kind of get used to it,
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'cause it's your en- your environment, so it wasn't so, like, "Oh my God," like, "I'm treating
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Jake." Right. Like, "My God, I'm seeing this famous person," or,
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"Oh my God," like, "that's The Weeknd." 'Cause he, like, he'd have, like, people like The Weeknd
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would come in and... You know- Right ... it just became, like, a normal thing. So,
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um, it was... It, like, I look back now and I feel like it kind of,
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you know,
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it was, it was al- you know, it's almost seven years ago now, so, and I don't fully, fully remember
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it, but I just remember it being an amazing experience and, um,
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you know, something that will
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obviously li- live with me forever. So it was, yeah, it was really cool and I really enjoyed
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it. But it definitely- Yeah ... definitely, definitely taught me a few things with,
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um, when to talk, when not to talk, when to be in the room
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and when not to be in the
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room. Um, you know, like, things like that, like,
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and loyalty and trust. Like, those guys as a group
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are
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so, like, all of the people around him are so loyal,
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and, like, their so... Their circle of trust
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is so,
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like, tight. Um, so I think that's what I, I sort of learnt the most from it is,
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you know, having... If someone is gonna be such a star and so successful, the people around you is
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so
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important. And that's what I say to even, like, a lot of, like, young aspiring pros is, like,
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make sure you've got your team around you. And, like, d- I don't mean... Like, you don't need to go
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overboard
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and have, like, you know, four or five people doing everything, but just make sure you have a couple of
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really good people who have got your best interests at, at
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heart
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and who are gonna, you know, give
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you the,
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the... Tell you how it is when it needs to be told how it is-Um, but also be empathetic
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with you as well when things are tough and be able to, you know, pull, pull you out of, um,
00:24:25.178 --> 00:24:27.188
a, a dip in performance or,
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you know, a, a, a couple
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of bad weeks. Um, you need people like that around you, especially in golf. It's such a brutal
00:24:34.168 --> 00:24:37.968
sport. Um, it's, it... And that, and that kind of is, in
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my opinion, um, one of
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the most under- underrated things that a lot of what we do and what
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coaches do, um, is actually that, you know, emotional aspect to, um, being able to, um, connect with the,
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the athlete. Yeah. Let's... We're definitely gonna talk about that some more. I think you brought up some great stuff
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about when to talk, when not to
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talk- Yeah ... uh, surrounding yourself with great people, and then being tactful too with everything
00:25:03.068 --> 00:25:07.948
that you say, everything you do, your body language, things like that, so. Yeah. We're definitely gonna dive into that.
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So I guess as you made this jump out of,
00:25:10.528 --> 00:25:13.188
um, music and performance with Drake, but then,
00:25:13.468 --> 00:25:15.028
you know, you then made this switch
00:25:15.088 --> 00:25:21.048
into the world of golf performance. So how did that change happen? And then, you know, as you had mentioned,
00:25:21.088 --> 00:25:22.107
you got matched up with Justin
00:25:22.148 --> 00:25:25.018
Rose. Kind of walk us through how that happened, then we'll get into some of
00:25:25.028 --> 00:25:26.108
those things that you were talking about.
00:25:26.808 --> 00:25:28.108
Yeah. So obviously after
00:25:28.168 --> 00:25:30.148
the, the, the Drake thing, I sort of like,
00:25:30.448 --> 00:25:30.548
uh,
00:25:30.688 --> 00:25:30.908
I went
00:25:31.228 --> 00:25:31.908
back to,
00:25:32.208 --> 00:25:34.068
um... I basically just thought, "Right, this is
00:25:34.148 --> 00:25:34.588
it. I'm gonna
00:25:35.048 --> 00:25:40.068
work for myself now. I'm not gonna go work for, you know, the Ministry of Defence anymore. I'm gonna set
00:25:40.088 --> 00:25:44.908
my own business up properly, find a gym to work out of, find a treatment room to work
00:25:45.008 --> 00:25:45.978
out of, and kind of go from
00:25:46.028 --> 00:25:47.168
there." Um,
00:25:47.348 --> 00:25:52.788
and I, I was kind of playing a bit more golf, getting back into it again, and I love golf.
00:25:52.908 --> 00:25:53.088
Like
00:25:53.148 --> 00:25:53.788
it was, you know,
00:25:54.308 --> 00:25:58.008
I was really starting to fall in love with it again, and I just thought, "Do you know what? I'd
00:25:58.048 --> 00:25:59.028
love to work with golfers."
00:25:59.888 --> 00:26:03.148
And so in my mind, I was like, "Well, how am I gonna get in golf?" Like,
00:26:03.528 --> 00:26:04.028
it's such
00:26:04.088 --> 00:26:07.888
a small world, and it's so hard to just... You can't just go up to a golfer and be like,
00:26:07.918 --> 00:26:08.068
"Oh,
00:26:08.208 --> 00:26:11.328
can I work with you?" Mm-hmm. So I thought, "Do you know what? I'm gonna book a lesson
00:26:11.388 --> 00:26:17.068
with a, like, a renowned tour pro around my area." So anyway, I booked a lesson, went and saw him.
00:26:17.108 --> 00:26:19.068
We got along really well, and he was like, "Oh, so what do you do?"
00:26:19.608 --> 00:26:20.188
So then I started
00:26:20.588 --> 00:26:21.328
chatting to him,
00:26:22.028 --> 00:26:23.008
talking about what I do,
00:26:23.128 --> 00:26:25.267
blah, blah, blah, and he was like, "Oh, actually,
00:26:25.677 --> 00:26:26.968
I've got a bit of a... My back's a
00:26:27.028 --> 00:26:27.717
bit sore," like,
00:26:28.168 --> 00:26:32.057
so and then ended up seeing him, and then he was like, "Oh, my fr- I've
00:26:32.068 --> 00:26:34.028
got a, you know, one of my golfers that I work with,
00:26:34.308 --> 00:26:36.508
young lad, history of back problems.
00:26:36.988 --> 00:26:37.038
Do
00:26:37.048 --> 00:26:37.908
you reckon you could help him?"
00:26:38.888 --> 00:26:39.988
So started working with
00:26:40.048 --> 00:26:41.008
him, and
00:26:41.048 --> 00:26:42.968
then eventually,
00:26:43.028 --> 00:26:45.208
it's such a small, like, world, golf.
00:26:45.768 --> 00:26:48.188
Like, you end up just snowballing, and people,
00:26:48.728 --> 00:26:51.938
you know, they start talking. "Oh, you should go see this guy. You should go see this
00:26:52.028 --> 00:26:54.808
guy." Yeah, and it got to the point where I was kind of like,
00:26:55.028 --> 00:27:02.408
you know, running a successful business within sort of four to five months and, um, seeing lots of four pros,
00:27:02.488 --> 00:27:04.138
aspiring elite amateurs,
00:27:04.548 --> 00:27:05.048
um, junior
00:27:05.108 --> 00:27:07.168
golfers and, um,
00:27:07.988 --> 00:27:09.848
yeah, it just kind of built from there. I didn't,
00:27:10.008 --> 00:27:12.048
didn't quite have anyone at Justin's level,
00:27:12.148 --> 00:27:13.208
but, um,
00:27:13.788 --> 00:27:14.048
I was
00:27:14.108 --> 00:27:20.968
really enjoying working with the kind of like the up-and-coming pros on the Challenge Tour and the Eur- the
00:27:21.008 --> 00:27:25.258
Euro Pro Tour, which it was back then. It's changed now. Um, and all of the elite amateurs
00:27:25.328 --> 00:27:26.988
because, you know, it was, I felt,
00:27:27.068 --> 00:27:29.128
part of their journey in a sense
00:27:29.248 --> 00:27:35.868
'cause they were, you know, young and, and really hungry to, um, get better, so it was, yeah, I,
00:27:36.158 --> 00:27:40.788
I... It was a, it was kind of like a real sort of natural step for me, I would say.
00:27:40.908 --> 00:27:44.008
Um, and again, I kind of... I suppose I did
00:27:44.048 --> 00:27:47.088
get a bit lucky, but I also, that was my plan
00:27:47.588 --> 00:27:48.248
to go and
00:27:48.728 --> 00:27:51.968
put myself in that situation where I was likely to meet
00:27:52.008 --> 00:27:52.588
a tour pro
00:27:53.508 --> 00:27:56.348
and strike a conversation.
00:27:57.268 --> 00:27:57.608
So
00:27:58.168 --> 00:28:02.208
that, um, yeah. And, and, and, and I've always been like that, especially in the golf world, like,
00:28:02.328 --> 00:28:02.648
um,
00:28:03.528 --> 00:28:03.968
the, the,
00:28:04.408 --> 00:28:06.948
you know, getting on to how I actually got,
00:28:07.048 --> 00:28:10.048
um, you know, started working with Justin was,
00:28:10.808 --> 00:28:11.148
um,
00:28:11.868 --> 00:28:12.128
I
00:28:12.808 --> 00:28:18.048
obviously met Justin's old... Well, I knew of Justin's old trainer, Justin Buckthorp,
00:28:18.088 --> 00:28:22.108
his name is. Uh, I think it was a little bit, I think it was just before COVID.
00:28:22.448 --> 00:28:27.068
We kind of had a meeting, and he runs a company called 360 Health and Performance, and they've worked with
00:28:27.148 --> 00:28:29.028
a lot of, um, professional golfers, but
00:28:29.048 --> 00:28:30.128
obviously Rosie
00:28:30.168 --> 00:28:35.467
was their main, he wa- he, he was their, like, main golfer, um, at that time. He, they had a
00:28:35.508 --> 00:28:38.967
lot of European Tour pros and stuff, and I think they were looking for someone to come on board and
00:28:39.008 --> 00:28:40.088
just take some of the load
00:28:40.128 --> 00:28:43.048
off them too, 'cause it was Rob and Justin who were kind of working for
00:28:43.228 --> 00:28:46.208
360. So I was kind of like being pushed
00:28:46.268 --> 00:28:50.028
into, into that role. But then COVID hit, so, like,
00:28:50.108 --> 00:28:52.248
I was gonna join 360,
00:28:52.988 --> 00:28:57.018
um, take some of their, like, European Tour golfers or guys that were like,
00:28:57.088 --> 00:28:57.328
you know,
00:28:59.028 --> 00:29:02.128
um, not on the PGA Tour, if that makes sense. So guys
00:29:02.148 --> 00:29:06.128
that were a little bit- Yeah ... um, I suppose not as, uh,
00:29:06.468 --> 00:29:11.188
successful as just, as Rosie- Mm-hmm ... um, and start working with them. So,
00:29:11.348 --> 00:29:13.908
um, uh, then obviously COVID hit,
00:29:14.008 --> 00:29:17.168
and, um, I had my, my first baby,
00:29:17.258 --> 00:29:19.998
and, uh, things just changed a little bit, and
00:29:20.048 --> 00:29:26.448
it was like I was doing online sessions and then, um, I think it got to, like, 20... I can't
00:29:26.488 --> 00:29:31.188
remember what even. I've been working for Rosie for three years now, so I've done three seasons.
00:29:31.508 --> 00:29:34.378
But what- when would that be? '21. So 2021,
00:29:34.688 --> 00:29:39.948
um, uh, JB said, "Look, I, I'm, I'm not traveling anymore." I think, you know,
00:29:40.048 --> 00:29:45.388
he, he wanted to just really focus, 'cause he's a funct- he does a lot of functional medicine stuff, so
00:29:45.428 --> 00:29:49.358
he wanted to focus on that side of things and stop traveling. He'd been traveling for, like, 15 years,
00:29:50.188 --> 00:29:52.888
um, and he was like, "Look, there's an opportunity with Rosie, the guy that they're,
00:29:53.128 --> 00:29:56.068
you know, that they're using at the moment. Um, it's not quite working out.
00:29:56.628 --> 00:30:00.048
You know, would you be interested?" And I'd, I'd... It was, like, an opportunity I kind of...
00:30:00.108 --> 00:30:03.188
Again, I, I, I had the opportunity and I was like, "Look, I've got to try and take
00:30:03.268 --> 00:30:03.708
it." Or not,
00:30:04.068 --> 00:30:06.008
not try. I've got to go and see if
00:30:06.148 --> 00:30:10.948
I enjoy it. So I went and did a week with Rosie before the PGA Tour season started
00:30:11.008 --> 00:30:13.488
in December, um,
00:30:13.828 --> 00:30:14.388
and
00:30:15.268 --> 00:30:19.168
yeah, like, we, we got along really well. Uh, the week went really well, and he kind of wanted
00:30:19.208 --> 00:30:21.400
to offer me the job. So-Um,
00:30:21.940 --> 00:30:26.000
I kind of just, yeah, I took it and I've, I mean, just done three seasons with him. That
00:30:26.040 --> 00:30:28.020
was our, yeah, third season together. So,
00:30:29.120 --> 00:30:32.210
um, yeah, that's, that's kind of how, how the whole thing went down.
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:37.010
Yeah, I mean, I, I hear from you really, you know, you put in a lot of work
00:30:37.040 --> 00:30:41.140
to begin with, to begin your career, and you've had, like we mentioned before, those diverse experiences.
00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:45.020
But, you know, it sounds like you strategically have put yourself in a
00:30:45.360 --> 00:30:50.330
position to be, quote, "lucky." I mean, you said the term luck, but really this was kind of a strategic
00:30:50.380 --> 00:30:52.000
series of steps to get you to where you are
00:30:52.100 --> 00:30:56.860
now. But I like what you said about, you know, number one, creating opportunities for yourself I think is a
00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:57.020
big
00:30:57.080 --> 00:31:04.040
takeaway. But not only creating the opportunity, but whether you feel ready for it or not, just simply saying
00:31:04.080 --> 00:31:10.140
yes to an opportunity I think is a really important thing that I'm taking away from this conversation. Because ultimately
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:14.660
that can lead to, you know, you probably are ready. Uh- Yeah ... and if you're not, you'll learn.
00:31:14.670 --> 00:31:19.170
Um- Yeah. Yeah ... and, and even just asking. You know, like you mentioned once on Instagram you messaged
00:31:19.180 --> 00:31:22.140
someone. You also just said, "Hey." Just, just ask, somebody on? tour.
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:23.070
Yeah. See if
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:27.030
you, can, see if you can go do it. Uh, answer the phone when the manager
00:31:27.120 --> 00:31:28.040
calls. Um-
00:31:28.260 --> 00:31:29.920
For sure, yeah. ... and, and, and you've been able to
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.320
kind of. create, so to speak, that, that luck for yourself.
00:31:33.800 --> 00:31:36.480
Um, you talked about the psychological aspects
00:31:37.080 --> 00:31:39.980
of working with. somebody, a high-profile client. Before, you said when
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:44.360
to talk, when not to talk, so I wanna, I wanna dive into that part of the conversation.
00:31:44.900 --> 00:31:50.970
Okay. What do you use as a thermometer to know where the person in front of you is
00:31:51.060 --> 00:31:56.160
at, right? Is it their body language? Is it conversations with other support staff? Is it a whole mix
00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:59.920
of those things? How do you kinda find out, "Well, hey, when I show up today, I gotta know where
00:31:59.960 --> 00:32:00.110
this
00:32:00.120 --> 00:32:00.660
person is at"?
00:32:01.500 --> 00:32:03.160
Yeah. So, um, usually
00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:07.850
with, with Rosie, it'll definitely... So he likes the structure of his warm-up, so he'd, he'd
00:32:08.120 --> 00:32:12.060
putt first, um, and then he'd go into the gym, and then he'd
00:32:12.100 --> 00:32:18.920
go on the range. So that's how he structures his warm-up. So, um, I would quite often, uh,
00:32:19.040 --> 00:32:21.960
sort of, you know, wait around by the putting green, or if not,
00:32:22.120 --> 00:32:27.180
I would try and liaise with whoever's doing the putting. So Phil Kenyon's his putting coach,
00:32:27.660 --> 00:32:30.040
and I'd just say, "Oh, how did it go?" And he'd say, "Yeah,
00:32:30.100 --> 00:32:34.020
he's, he's, he's a bit quiet today," or, "He's, uh, yeah, he's good. Right on
00:32:34.080 --> 00:32:39.100
form." Um, but I would quickly... I, I, you know, I can quickly gauge by
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:39.700
him now,
00:32:40.060 --> 00:32:41.920
um, it's usually
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:44.060
by, uh, him being a little bit
00:32:44.100 --> 00:32:44.760
more quiet.
00:32:45.220 --> 00:32:45.520
Um,
00:32:46.260 --> 00:32:49.040
but it's... But I, but I think a lot of it stems
00:32:49.100 --> 00:32:54.060
from, um, you know, nervous energy and him wanting
00:32:54.100 --> 00:33:00.060
to perform, um, and him just trying to get himself in the right mindset. So, um,
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:02.900
I think when... One thing I've learned
00:33:03.100 --> 00:33:07.980
is, you know, you've gotta know your athlete. The one thing that I've definitely learned, um, with Rosie, is that,
00:33:08.060 --> 00:33:09.040
like, he wants to have
00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:10.480
clear instructions.
00:33:11.320 --> 00:33:14.140
You know, he needs to be clear in what you're doing. You need to have a plan.
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:15.160
It needs to be structured.
00:33:16.040 --> 00:33:19.600
Um, and you, you can't be fumbling.
00:33:20.840 --> 00:33:22.160
You can't be, "Oh, no, do... Oh, no, actually
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:26.860
do this. Oh." Like, he will not... He, he doesn't, he doesn't like the flow of that. He likes all
00:33:26.900 --> 00:33:29.080
of his, you know, warm-ups to flow. He wants it to be,
00:33:29.100 --> 00:33:30.240
like, step-by-step
00:33:30.280 --> 00:33:30.840
process.
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:33.080
You know, the timings need to be good as
00:33:33.140 --> 00:33:33.480
well.
00:33:34.180 --> 00:33:39.880
Um, and, you know, there's some days where the warm-ups are way more relaxed and, you know, we're talking a
00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:40.060
lot
00:33:40.129 --> 00:33:45.280
more and, um... But then there's days where they're, they're very intense as well, which
00:33:45.360 --> 00:33:45.860
I, you know,
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:51.140
is part and parcel of, of the job really. And, um, and I think that all depends
00:33:51.180 --> 00:33:52.100
on the athlete and the,
00:33:52.140 --> 00:33:54.140
the type, you know, the type of person
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:56.980
they are as well. Um, but yeah. It's kind
00:33:57.040 --> 00:34:02.060
of a lot of, lot of body language and, um, I can't... It's, it's... I know it's cliché to say,
00:34:02.140 --> 00:34:03.800
but you kind of just know.
00:34:04.110 --> 00:34:04.110
Mm-hmm.
00:34:04.900 --> 00:34:10.060
Like, just by, you know, the, the energy, and I think I've, I think I've always been quite a good
00:34:10.179 --> 00:34:12.280
judge in, um, energy and
00:34:12.500 --> 00:34:14.260
kind of o- you know, the situation,
00:34:14.900 --> 00:34:15.159
um,
00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:16.820
anyway. So I
00:34:17.020 --> 00:34:18.940
think, I do think sometimes it is a bit of a
00:34:19.020 --> 00:34:21.060
natural s- you know, a natural skill. You either have
00:34:21.080 --> 00:34:24.100
it or you don't, you know? You know, there's always one person who says something that
00:34:24.699 --> 00:34:25.000
at the wrong
00:34:25.100 --> 00:34:25.380
time.
00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:28.110
Yeah. You know, all the time. Yeah. And yeah,
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:32.030
you know, I think some people like that. Yeah. Some people know when not to say
00:34:32.080 --> 00:34:35.929
something. Uh- If you look, if you look around and you see that person, you're like, "Okay,
00:34:36.020 --> 00:34:36.600
cool. It's not me."
00:34:37.259 --> 00:34:37.659
Yeah.
00:34:38.100 --> 00:34:43.100
Uh, so I guess one thing on that, though, a- and in our phone call you mentioned, right, it's
00:34:43.139 --> 00:34:46.040
not about what you do always, sometimes about what you don't
00:34:46.080 --> 00:34:48.020
do or what, you know, what you don't say.
00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:52.130
Because if you say something, could actually have a negative impact, especially in a really high-stakes,
00:34:52.940 --> 00:34:54.300
uh, tournament or,
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:56.320
you know, before a high-stakes performance.
00:34:56.400 --> 00:35:01.920
So do you have an example of a time that maybe you did something or said something
00:35:02.060 --> 00:35:04.020
that wa- ended up being a little bit of a learning lesson
00:35:04.080 --> 00:35:06.560
for you? Um,
00:35:08.060 --> 00:35:09.020
let me think.
00:35:09.410 --> 00:35:11.020
There probably is loads of them,
00:35:11.100 --> 00:35:14.900
but, um... Yeah, actually, this is a,
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.060
this is a good one. So, um,
00:35:18.380 --> 00:35:20.180
I think, you know, I can't remember, I can't remember
00:35:20.260 --> 00:35:23.080
when, like, what round it was or when it was,
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:25.140
but I just know it was an important day.
00:35:26.080 --> 00:35:29.280
Um, and I re- and I remember that it was, um,
00:35:29.660 --> 00:35:30.760
you know, he, he was,
00:35:31.040 --> 00:35:31.840
I think his
00:35:32.060 --> 00:35:34.120
HRV had, like, spiked
00:35:34.180 --> 00:35:38.180
anyway, um, 'cause he, we measure his HRV every day on...
00:35:38.660 --> 00:35:38.780
Uh,
00:35:39.160 --> 00:35:40.040
Justin Buckthorpe's got
00:35:40.080 --> 00:35:41.040
an app which is,
00:35:41.200 --> 00:35:44.120
um, which you use a Polar H10 for. It's his own app,
00:35:44.160 --> 00:35:48.010
and he's, um, he's done a lot of, like, research. He's actually doing a research study at the moment at
00:35:48.140 --> 00:35:48.960
university on
00:35:49.180 --> 00:35:54.020
HRV. Um, so it's, it's one of the, the best apps you can use out there. He uses
00:35:54.060 --> 00:35:57.960
it with a lot of professional footballers, golfers, everyone, but it's kind of like a bit of, like, a private
00:35:58.020 --> 00:35:58.120
thing
00:35:58.140 --> 00:35:58.640
at the moment.
00:35:59.460 --> 00:35:59.760
Um,
00:36:00.240 --> 00:36:02.040
and I remember
00:36:02.700 --> 00:36:07.040
I did a lot of, like, jumps and throws in the warm-up, and I just got him way too amped
00:36:07.180 --> 00:36:07.380
up.
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:09.180
And he was just, like,
00:36:09.540 --> 00:36:14.130
he, he just, his warm-up was not good on the range. It was just too, like... It was very,
00:36:14.820 --> 00:36:16.120
you know, erratic and,
00:36:16.220 --> 00:36:17.880
um, just, like,
00:36:18.020 --> 00:36:18.100
no
00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:24.072
almost, like, lost body control in a sense.Do, do you know what I mean? Like, if in that case,
00:36:24.152 --> 00:36:25.962
what I should have done is the opposite. I should have slowed him
00:36:26.052 --> 00:36:27.922
down, I should have done a bit of breathing
00:36:28.012 --> 00:36:30.152
work, I should have done some slow purposeful
00:36:30.212 --> 00:36:30.872
movements,
00:36:31.552 --> 00:36:35.092
um, rather than... 'Cause he was already amped up, he was already ready
00:36:35.172 --> 00:36:35.532
to go.
00:36:36.492 --> 00:36:36.732
Um,
00:36:37.032 --> 00:36:38.972
so I actually think, do you know what? I think
00:36:39.012 --> 00:36:41.192
it was the Masters. I think I remember
00:36:41.212 --> 00:36:43.332
it now. It was one of the Masters rounds.
00:36:44.152 --> 00:36:44.492
Um,
00:36:45.632 --> 00:36:49.092
and I remember him, his like, his speed was just like off the charts that day as well,
00:36:49.152 --> 00:36:49.972
like on the, on the track
00:36:50.032 --> 00:36:54.032
round and stuff. But, um, it was obviously just like nervous energy and I
00:36:54.072 --> 00:36:56.052
think I just... And I remember
00:36:56.412 --> 00:36:59.932
j- um, calling JB after, 'cause JB is like a, you know, he's a mentor
00:37:00.012 --> 00:37:01.132
to me, and he knows Justin
00:37:01.172 --> 00:37:03.032
better than anyone. And I kind of said, "Oh, I
00:37:03.112 --> 00:37:05.992
think I've, you know, just pushed him a bit too far in the warmup,"
00:37:06.132 --> 00:37:08.152
and he was like a bit, you know,
00:37:08.452 --> 00:37:10.092
very amped up as it is. And,
00:37:10.772 --> 00:37:11.101
um, he's
00:37:11.172 --> 00:37:11.912
like, "You know,
00:37:12.152 --> 00:37:12.792
well, that's,
00:37:13.172 --> 00:37:13.972
that's like
00:37:14.332 --> 00:37:16.032
something, you know, you learn, you, you know,
00:37:16.112 --> 00:37:18.352
everyone... You don't know that until it happens,
00:37:18.492 --> 00:37:23.942
so." Yeah. Can you, can you walk us through, I guess, your process for making decisions?
00:37:24.072 --> 00:37:25.931
I know it's such a fluid environment, right?
00:37:26.032 --> 00:37:30.872
Like, you could have a... Let's take the Open, for example. You could have a day where it's cold and
00:37:30.932 --> 00:37:36.652
rainy, and guys are grinding for six hours, you know. Yeah. The round itself takes six hours versus traditional shorter
00:37:36.732 --> 00:37:42.072
round. Um, but really your process for figuring out, okay, where is this person at today-
00:37:42.712 --> 00:37:46.992
Yeah, ... and where do we need to get them? Combining factors that are maybe physiological and
00:37:47.012 --> 00:37:50.982
then also mental. Like, where do you, where do you place your value and
00:37:51.012 --> 00:37:53.052
at what point? Yeah, so
00:37:53.192 --> 00:38:00.982
um, I'm, I'm definitely more on like the recovery side during tournament week. So, um, especially major weeks,
00:38:01.072 --> 00:38:01.162
like
00:38:01.212 --> 00:38:03.172
I just think ene- the energy
00:38:03.652 --> 00:38:05.032
consumption in major week
00:38:05.292 --> 00:38:06.032
is so
00:38:06.152 --> 00:38:08.012
high, right? People don't,
00:38:08.332 --> 00:38:11.312
doesn't, they don't realize how much it. takes out of the, player,
00:38:12.112 --> 00:38:18.052
um, just because of the nervous energy and like the importance of the week and, you know, you've got to
00:38:18.112 --> 00:38:23.012
tick all the boxes that week. You cannot be mentally weak out there. that week. So,
00:38:23.712 --> 00:38:23.972
um,
00:38:24.192 --> 00:38:25.292
it's, it's definitely
00:38:25.392 --> 00:38:27.292
more, I definitely have a massive,
00:38:27.872 --> 00:38:28.332
um,
00:38:28.972 --> 00:38:32.161
sort of percentage on, on recovery dur- from a physiological
00:38:32.232 --> 00:38:34.012
point of view. Um, so that
00:38:34.332 --> 00:38:39.052
might look like, you know, Monday and Tuesday we might do a lift, but you know, that
00:38:39.072 --> 00:38:40.012
will be in very small
00:38:40.032 --> 00:38:43.101
doses. It'll be, you know, a couple of sets, maybe three
00:38:43.192 --> 00:38:46.112
to four reps, and maybe on a weight that is quite
00:38:46.152 --> 00:38:51.182
comfortable for them. You know, I'm not, we're ne- we're never trying to push boundaries during a tournament
00:38:51.272 --> 00:38:51.572
week.
00:38:52.252 --> 00:38:55.192
Um, if we miss the cut, then yes, we may do,
00:38:55.332 --> 00:39:00.072
because, you know, we have two days at the weekend to, to work hard and it's almost like a,
00:39:00.832 --> 00:39:01.132
um,
00:39:01.512 --> 00:39:04.012
you know, let's actually try and make the most out of missing the
00:39:04.072 --> 00:39:09.092
cut sort of thing. Um, but like definitely during like a major week or an important week,
00:39:09.192 --> 00:39:11.222
it's, um, Thursday, Friday,
00:39:11.312 --> 00:39:14.012
Saturday, Sunday is more about recovery for
00:39:14.072 --> 00:39:18.112
me. And a lot of the time, like in our warm-ups as well, we're always sneaking in a little
00:39:18.132 --> 00:39:19.132
bit of strength work. We're always
00:39:19.192 --> 00:39:21.172
sneaking in, you know, sneaking in your movement
00:39:21.252 --> 00:39:22.972
work, your recovery work.
00:39:23.012 --> 00:39:26.272
So, um, it- there will be a lot of table work. I probably do,
00:39:26.932 --> 00:39:30.232
I reckon I do 10 hours of soft tissue work a week that's on the week,
00:39:31.072 --> 00:39:31.352
um,
00:39:31.872 --> 00:39:33.012
over the period of,
00:39:33.052 --> 00:39:37.152
you know, seven days. Um, so a lot of recovery work. And uh, Justin
00:39:37.192 --> 00:39:42.052
actually has, um, he's, he's amazing. He, he really invests in his, his body and recovery, and he's got
00:39:42.172 --> 00:39:46.032
a, uh, an RV that he's stripped out and he's got like a hot tub,
00:39:46.492 --> 00:39:49.072
a cold plunge, a infrared sauna,
00:39:49.592 --> 00:39:50.292
red light therapy
00:39:50.372 --> 00:39:54.032
bed, um, like a fresh oxygen tank with. a Keiser bike,
00:39:54.852 --> 00:39:57.052
um, and like a steam shower.
00:39:57.172 --> 00:40:00.232
So we, we use that pretty much every day when we're in America.
00:40:00.692 --> 00:40:03.012
That follows us to every tournament. It gets set up, and then
00:40:03.052 --> 00:40:07.022
we'll go there, he'll do that, he'll do his recovery for like 45 minutes in the bath, then we'll
00:40:07.052 --> 00:40:08.992
go get dinner, and then we'll do some
00:40:09.052 --> 00:40:12.092
table work. So that's, that's pretty much
00:40:12.172 --> 00:40:15.092
the- So that- ... the gist of that day. Yeah,
00:40:15.592 --> 00:40:19.322
and I think you've told me about the van and I think they maybe covered it on a tournament recently
00:40:19.412 --> 00:40:20.132
too, or at least started,
00:40:20.172 --> 00:40:25.822
discussing it, uh, about the van. So the van is mostly recovery based in terms, it sounds like. Is that
00:40:25.832 --> 00:40:27.252
correct? Yes. Yes.
00:40:27.312 --> 00:40:31.102
Okay, cool. That's right. Yeah. And then in terms of the actual training or, or
00:40:31.132 --> 00:40:33.452
things that he'll be doing from a strength and performance standpoint,
00:40:34.472 --> 00:40:38.492
uh, a lot of... You know, I know, a lot of players maybe stay in a hotel or maybe Airbnb,
00:40:38.812 --> 00:40:41.012
um, or maybe the tour sometimes provide a gym. I mean-
00:40:41.522 --> 00:40:44.192
Yeah, ... talk about maybe working through some logistics throughout,
00:40:44.592 --> 00:40:45.212
you know, if you arrive
00:40:45.252 --> 00:40:49.052
on a Monday or Sunday night and then throughout the entire week kind of- Yeah, so
00:40:49.072 --> 00:40:50.252
I- ... walk us through some of the logistical
00:40:50.332 --> 00:40:56.032
stuff. Yeah. So the tour, the tour truck which has the gym on doesn't actually get set up until Tuesday,
00:40:56.112 --> 00:40:56.132
I'
00:40:56.212 --> 00:41:02.092
believe. So on a Monday we'll always find either, we'll always, we'll either go to the hotel gym
00:41:02.132 --> 00:41:05.052
if it's a good hotel gym or we'll go to a gym. So we'll go and find a
00:41:05.092 --> 00:41:07.072
gym and we'll go and use the,
00:41:07.412 --> 00:41:07.432
you
00:41:07.472 --> 00:41:11.092
know, just pay. We'll just go and pay to- Right ... Well, or quite
00:41:11.112 --> 00:41:15.612
a lot of the time, like I'll message, get his manager to message someone and say he's in town, can
00:41:15.652 --> 00:41:19.212
you bring his trainer in? We try and do it' properly 'cause, you know, sometimes
00:41:20.902 --> 00:41:22.512
it's probably, probably like from an insurance perspective
00:41:22.572 --> 00:41:24.072
not, not good if I'm
00:41:24.532 --> 00:41:26.092
going in there with him and, uh,
00:41:26.712 --> 00:41:26.732
you
00:41:26.772 --> 00:41:29.052
know, essentially training him. But,
00:41:29.132 --> 00:41:32.992
um- Mm-hmm ... especially as I don't, you know, I don't work there. But a lot of the time a
00:41:33.012 --> 00:41:34.352
lot of like performance,
00:41:34.552 --> 00:41:41.032
um, places, you know, with performance gyms will be happy to, um- Right ... host us and stuff like that.
00:41:41.092 --> 00:41:46.042
So that's kind of what we do the majority of, and hotel gyms. Um, but yeah, like it,
00:41:46.832 --> 00:41:51.832
a- again, it, it, it varies so much on kind of like from, from what session we will do.
00:41:52.002 --> 00:41:53.012
But what I will say is like
00:41:53.472 --> 00:41:55.072
Rosie is very comfortable with strength
00:41:55.132 --> 00:41:57.202
work. Like he's very... His,
00:41:57.532 --> 00:41:58.132
his, uh,
00:41:59.072 --> 00:42:00.252
you know, his training history
00:42:00.952 --> 00:42:03.972
from a strength perspective is very good. So like he's done a lot of it
00:42:04.012 --> 00:42:06.092
in the past, and he very rarely gets dons.
00:42:06.852 --> 00:42:07.992
So like I can hit him
00:42:08.052 --> 00:42:13.172
with quite a, you know, a decent amount of lower body strength work and he'll be fine the next day.
00:42:13.932 --> 00:42:14.022
Right.
00:42:14.152 --> 00:42:18.152
Um, you know, upper body's a little bit different. He, he can get a little bit sore,
00:42:18.432 --> 00:42:20.232
you know, if we're doing so- a, a portion
00:42:20.272 --> 00:42:25.028
of, you know, I'd say like-From a pool perspective, you know, rows and stuff
00:42:25.068 --> 00:42:29.038
like that, and, um, pull-ups and stuff, he's good. He won't get DOMS from that. But if he's
00:42:29.068 --> 00:42:33.148
doing like, you know, chest press or, you know, some cable flies or whatever,
00:42:33.808 --> 00:42:36.008
you know, he may... He probably will get a little bit of
00:42:36.048 --> 00:42:40.028
DOMS. Mm-hmm. So, um, we just kinda, I just kind of monitor that
00:42:40.088 --> 00:42:40.328
from,
00:42:41.028 --> 00:42:44.988
um, you know, each week and try and sneak in a little bit of it, but
00:42:45.028 --> 00:42:51.918
don't go crazy. And then in training weeks when he's not playing, we'll definitely do more, more of that. Getting
00:42:52.028 --> 00:42:58.268
a sense of what you're doing while he's out on the course, are you following him around always? Do you
00:42:58.368 --> 00:43:02.388
stay back and just kinda hang out somewhere? You know, so I- Does it depend? ... I'm, I'm basically, I'm
00:43:02.428 --> 00:43:04.208
the sandwich boy, so I go-
00:43:05.708 --> 00:43:06.988
I usually, I usually hit
00:43:07.028 --> 00:43:12.048
up Jersey Mike's, that's usually pretty solid, and, uh, get him a, get him a wrap
00:43:12.088 --> 00:43:14.048
and get, get Pooch, the caddy,
00:43:14.088 --> 00:43:14.708
a sandwich,
00:43:15.088 --> 00:43:18.968
and then I'll go and meet them halfway, give him the sandwich, and I'll probably walk the back
00:43:19.008 --> 00:43:19.348
nine.
00:43:20.348 --> 00:43:21.948
So, um, yeah, that's, that's
00:43:22.008 --> 00:43:24.968
kind of my... And oh, and I'll go and turn the bus on as well,
00:43:25.028 --> 00:43:27.168
in that time. So I'll go to the bus, turn the cold
00:43:27.208 --> 00:43:30.048
tubs on, um, and turn the sauna on if he wants
00:43:30.088 --> 00:43:33.088
to use that. So that's, that's kind of what I'm doing.
00:43:33.588 --> 00:43:37.988
Um, and then in, during the, like, the days leading up to the tournament, so say Monday,
00:43:38.088 --> 00:43:39.028
Tuesday, Wednesday, if he's
00:43:39.068 --> 00:43:43.028
doing, you know, short game or putting or if he's out on the course just walking with a
00:43:43.068 --> 00:43:48.038
wedge and putter and I don't need to be there, then I'll try and do something for myself. Like,
00:43:48.108 --> 00:43:52.218
as in, you know, do some admin or, um, do some, you know, learning,
00:43:52.668 --> 00:43:54.148
um, watch a webinar.
00:43:55.008 --> 00:43:55.968
Um, because otherwise
00:43:56.028 --> 00:43:56.588
you just end up,
00:43:57.228 --> 00:43:59.028
you know, you
00:43:59.048 --> 00:44:00.088
know, sitting around
00:44:00.188 --> 00:44:00.458
sort of.
00:44:01.008 --> 00:44:03.848
So Yeah. I was gonna say, you're probably around so many other,
00:44:04.108 --> 00:44:06.008
you know, tour players and,
00:44:06.148 --> 00:44:08.308
and their team of performance
00:44:08.668 --> 00:44:11.108
specialists. So, you know, how often are you interacting
00:44:11.128 --> 00:44:11.828
with those people?
00:44:12.128 --> 00:44:13.148
Um- Um,
00:44:13.848 --> 00:44:14.988
it's, it's a funny
00:44:15.048 --> 00:44:17.868
one, you know. And I don't want this to sound bad, but,
00:44:18.088 --> 00:44:19.128
um, like,
00:44:19.508 --> 00:44:19.558
it,
00:44:20.088 --> 00:44:24.028
it, it's, it did surprise me how much there is a lack of interaction-
00:44:24.668 --> 00:44:24.788
Hmm
00:44:25.028 --> 00:44:27.268
... between, uh, professionals out there.
00:44:27.908 --> 00:44:28.128
Um,
00:44:28.668 --> 00:44:33.148
definitely more European. Like, I, I talk to a lot of the European players.
00:44:33.768 --> 00:44:36.108
It's... I don't know why. It's, it's really strange but,
00:44:36.248 --> 00:44:39.168
um, you know, I definitely, you know, people like Tommy,
00:44:39.648 --> 00:44:40.348
you know, Fitzy
00:44:40.408 --> 00:44:42.128
and their, you know, uh,
00:44:42.648 --> 00:44:47.068
Fitzy's trainer and his performance director I get along with really well. He's an Australian guy.
00:44:47.708 --> 00:44:51.108
Um, so I'll kind of hang around with him a lot. Fitzy's coach I hang around
00:44:51.168 --> 00:44:52.028
with a lot as well.
00:44:52.508 --> 00:44:56.248
Um, and then r- obviously Rosie's coach I get along with amazingly well. Um,
00:44:56.988 --> 00:44:57.928
so, like, you know, you're,
00:44:58.108 --> 00:45:04.948
you're definitely more hanging around in your circle and trying to interact with people that you're, you are more comfortable
00:45:04.988 --> 00:45:06.348
with. Um,
00:45:06.648 --> 00:45:10.168
and it's definitely a very different vibe to the European tour. So we did a couple
00:45:10.188 --> 00:45:12.007
of... Obviously we did the Scottish Open and the, and
00:45:12.048 --> 00:45:14.008
the Open, uh, this year,
00:45:14.208 --> 00:45:19.128
and it's definitely more, like, the, the trainers are more like,
00:45:19.688 --> 00:45:20.028
um,
00:45:20.608 --> 00:45:20.648
you
00:45:20.708 --> 00:45:22.948
know, interacting. They're all training
00:45:23.008 --> 00:45:26.468
together. They're, you know, they're going out for dinner together.
00:45:26.988 --> 00:45:28.988
So I don't, I don't know why it is like that but,
00:45:29.088 --> 00:45:29.888
you know, it just is.
00:45:30.228 --> 00:45:33.078
And, um, uh, yeah, I was really
00:45:33.128 --> 00:45:35.168
surprised by it. So,
00:45:36.448 --> 00:45:40.168
you know, it was incredible to see the Open this year. Obviously a,
00:45:40.288 --> 00:45:45.878
a, you know, second place finish, which was incredible. Uh, really fun to watch Justin compete. Um, I was thinking
00:45:45.908 --> 00:45:46.078
about
00:45:46.128 --> 00:45:50.888
you guys- Yeah. ... obviously the whole time. Yeah. I was rooting for you. The mics are not
00:45:51.028 --> 00:45:52.148
the best out there out on the golf
00:45:52.208 --> 00:45:56.688
course. Uh, so that's what I was gonna ask. So, so not just yourself being nervous, but you mentioned, like,
00:45:56.768 --> 00:46:00.888
knowing when to talk, when not to talk, being empathetic, being tactful with everything. In a situation like that
00:46:01.008 --> 00:46:03.568
where you're heading into Sunday of a major championship-
00:46:04.108 --> 00:46:07.037
Yeah ... everyone a little bit on edge, you know, everyone's a little bit on
00:46:07.108 --> 00:46:11.018
edge. Uh, walk us through kind of like that as a professional. Knowing, okay,
00:46:11.108 --> 00:46:14.448
I gotta show up and I gotta do my job, I gotta get him ready for today. Like, just walk
00:46:14.508 --> 00:46:16.028
us through that Sunday morning, right?
00:46:16.088 --> 00:46:18.248
You're waking up- Um ... it's like this is our plan of attack.
00:46:18.788 --> 00:46:22.188
Yeah. I mean, you honestly, all I thought about on that Sunday was,
00:46:22.388 --> 00:46:28.108
um, I, I genuinely thought, I really, really thought he was gonna win it. Like, I just had this feeling
00:46:28.168 --> 00:46:28.268
in
00:46:28.308 --> 00:46:30.968
my, in my gut that he was gonna win it. and,
00:46:31.028 --> 00:46:33.648
um, I just, it, I thought to, myself,
00:46:34.388 --> 00:46:35.988
"I've just gotta be the best version of
00:46:36.028 --> 00:46:37.948
myself today." Like, I, I
00:46:38.048 --> 00:46:41.148
cannot let him down today in any
00:46:41.208 --> 00:46:46.568
way or form. Um, and whether that's me being, you know, beforehand I think I went there and did a
00:46:46.588 --> 00:46:48.208
bit of table work, just, um,
00:46:48.448 --> 00:46:50.048
you know, did, checked his hips
00:46:50.128 --> 00:46:55.048
and did a couple of active releases and stuff like that and just did like a little,
00:46:55.108 --> 00:46:58.988
just a little MOT. Not an MOT, but like a little, uh, just a check over basically
00:46:59.068 --> 00:47:00.628
just beforehand.
00:47:00.728 --> 00:47:03.968
Um, we- we're, we're really into our coffee as well, so I made him a
00:47:04.008 --> 00:47:08.128
coffee- Mm ... 'cause that's like something that we, you know, we, we love doing. And, um,
00:47:08.268 --> 00:47:13.028
so just kind of tried to keep it as, as normal as possil- possible, but also,
00:47:13.548 --> 00:47:18.048
um, making sure that we're not, um, leaving any stone unturned. And,
00:47:18.108 --> 00:47:24.148
um, and it was interesting because the Saturday he actually had, he didn't have a very good warm-up,
00:47:24.308 --> 00:47:27.968
and it w- that was the day, if you remember, when actually that was probably the best day we
00:47:28.008 --> 00:47:31.208
could have had a bad warm-up because it, the weather was so
00:47:31.308 --> 00:47:33.088
bad- Mm-hmm ... it,
00:47:33.788 --> 00:47:35.028
it, it didn't even matter how you
00:47:35.048 --> 00:47:38.108
hit the golf ball. It was like, how can I just stay in this
00:47:38.128 --> 00:47:42.898
thing? Right. You know? You could not think about anything else. You could not think anything golf swing on that
00:47:42.928 --> 00:47:48.278
day, otherwise we would've shot 20 over. It was- Right ... he, I think on the back nine he hit,
00:47:49.728 --> 00:47:51.028
I think, so
00:47:51.068 --> 00:47:54.188
down 10 he hit, like, driver
00:47:54.248 --> 00:47:56.398
two iron. Down 11-
00:47:57.108 --> 00:47:57.108
...
00:47:57.118 --> 00:47:58.968
he hit driver th-
00:47:59.008 --> 00:48:03.048
two iron again. 12 was a crosswind, so he just hit, I think it was just like
00:48:03.088 --> 00:48:04.888
driver eight iron. And then,
00:48:05.148 --> 00:48:07.208
um, 13 he hit driver
00:48:07.248 --> 00:48:11.048
three wood. 14 was a par three. 15 he hit driver
00:48:11.088 --> 00:48:14.228
three wood. 16 was a par five, he hit driver, driver.
00:48:15.188 --> 00:48:19.008
17 was a par three, he hit three, uh, he hit three wood in there. Shane Lowry hit
00:48:19.048 --> 00:48:19.068
a
00:48:19.108 --> 00:48:24.172
driver in there. And then 18 he hit driver two iron.'cause
00:48:24.212 --> 00:48:24.492
it was-
00:48:25.002 --> 00:48:29.052
Incredible ... so windy. And literally in the morning there was people shooting six under 'cause it
00:48:29.112 --> 00:48:31.942
wasn't windy. And he shot- Yeah ... two over that day,
00:48:32.112 --> 00:48:35.232
and it was like an unbelievable score.
00:48:36.312 --> 00:48:36.382
Yeah.
00:48:36.392 --> 00:48:41.652
It was like... It was just a ridiculous score. So that was the day where if we were to have
00:48:41.692 --> 00:48:44.202
a bad warm-up, it w- it was really good that it happened
00:48:44.202 --> 00:48:46.932
that day because he couldn't let it affect him.
00:48:47.202 --> 00:48:49.992
Does that make sense? Yeah. I mean, it reminded me
00:48:50.052 --> 00:48:50.782
of, like, I,
00:48:51.072 --> 00:48:55.392
I think, was it Justin Thomas? It was, might have been like three years ago, I think, at the Players.
00:48:55.452 --> 00:48:56.072
There was that, like,
00:48:56.171 --> 00:49:00.492
day where they, s- the AM/PM wave, someone got screwed and, and he, I think he shot like an even
00:49:00.592 --> 00:49:05.972
par and, like, everyone was like six, seven, eight over like- Yeah ... and it, it was just... Yeah, it
00:49:05.992 --> 00:49:06.232
totally
00:49:06.272 --> 00:49:11.122
makes sense. I mean, it, it, it makes you focus on, like, the conditions are so bad out there that
00:49:11.192 --> 00:49:13.112
it's like that is the area of focus, but
00:49:13.122 --> 00:49:17.032
that's crazy. I, I played Royal Troon on the simulator after with my friends.
00:49:17.392 --> 00:49:20.002
Oh, did you? And, uh, yeah. We had to do it. We put, like- It's an amazing
00:49:20.072 --> 00:49:24.432
golf course ... we did like 25 mile an hour wind so we could try to at least experience-
00:49:24.502 --> 00:49:27.772
... you know. We should've put some fans on to have it blowing at us, but, uh-
00:49:28.052 --> 00:49:32.432
Yeah, yeah, yeah ... it was, it was unbelievable. Um- I actually walked, I walked that whole 18 holes as
00:49:32.492 --> 00:49:38.362
well in the absolute torrential rain, and it was amazing. I actually think that was my favorite round of the
00:49:38.392 --> 00:49:40.972
week just because he w- you know, he was, he
00:49:41.012 --> 00:49:45.772
was hat backwards 'cause the rain was tipping off the front of his hat and he couldn't see the ball.
00:49:45.782 --> 00:49:49.952
Yeah. And it was just, it was just amazing, like, watching him just grind and just do,
00:49:50.012 --> 00:49:52.252
just put in the most unbelievable performance.
00:49:52.992 --> 00:49:54.272
Um, and really set himself
00:49:54.372 --> 00:49:54.822
up to,
00:49:55.492 --> 00:49:56.972
you know, go and win the, win the
00:49:57.012 --> 00:50:00.962
thing on Sunday. And he came off the course and, um, he just said,
00:50:01.052 --> 00:50:03.972
like, "That was the... I
00:50:04.012 --> 00:50:05.962
could not have done any more. I didn't,
00:50:06.112 --> 00:50:08.992
I didn't put a foot wrong." He was like, "Just hole more. putts on
00:50:09.012 --> 00:50:13.072
the back nine." Yeah. That's what I was gonna say, when you, when you get off there and,
00:50:13.392 --> 00:50:13.752
and,
00:50:15.172 --> 00:50:18.032
you know, off Sunday and, and, you know, you realize, hey, you
00:50:18.092 --> 00:50:22.852
played amazing, you played great, especially at, at that kind of tournament, you know, you, you hold your head up
00:50:22.912 --> 00:50:27.152
high, but then kind of as a performance. specialist
00:50:27.692 --> 00:50:30.032
that is there, and support staff that is there with him,
00:50:31.152 --> 00:50:33.052
how do you approach that, right? Like,
00:50:33.652 --> 00:50:36.972
is it- Yeah, I'm- ... kind of let, let him lead with hi- you know, how he's feeling about
00:50:37.012 --> 00:50:40.172
it? Yeah, for sure. Like, you know, and,
00:50:40.672 --> 00:50:43.972
you know, he, he was actually quite emotional when he come off. He, he wasn't emotional
00:50:44.012 --> 00:50:45.222
the whole day and he just said
00:50:46.172 --> 00:50:48.092
he felt emotional because he felt like
00:50:48.132 --> 00:50:52.992
he should've won it. Mm-hmm. Like, I know it sounds cliché, but he said he felt like he'd done enough
00:50:53.092 --> 00:50:56.132
to, to win that golf tournament, and he didn't.
00:50:56.212 --> 00:51:00.072
So, um, you know, it was, it was, it was a, you know, it was
00:51:00.132 --> 00:51:03.152
a... It was, it was hard for everyone. But also-
00:51:03.252 --> 00:51:03.412
Mm ...
00:51:04.092 --> 00:51:06.252
it was, it was a really
00:51:07.012 --> 00:51:11.052
big thing for the team as well because it, you know, it secured his majors for
00:51:11.112 --> 00:51:13.192
next year. He's in all, the majors next year because of that.
00:51:13.992 --> 00:51:14.432
Um,
00:51:15.052 --> 00:51:17.942
and it, yeah, it just really helped his season and
00:51:18.052 --> 00:51:19.872
stuff. So, but, you know,
00:51:20.032 --> 00:51:22.132
for him to... The reason Rosie
00:51:22.192 --> 00:51:25.112
still play, is still putting in so much effort is because he
00:51:25.452 --> 00:51:26.072
wants to win
00:51:26.112 --> 00:51:28.052
another major. Like, that is
00:51:28.092 --> 00:51:28.532
his goal,
00:51:29.212 --> 00:51:32.732
you know? Right. And that, you know, if he didn't wanna do that, he probably would've gone to LIV two
00:51:32.852 --> 00:51:33.312
years ago.
00:51:34.072 --> 00:51:38.182
You know, just 'cause it was, like, the natural pro... You know, people were, you know, Paltz,
00:51:38.272 --> 00:51:40.172
Westy, all, of his friends,
00:51:40.532 --> 00:51:40.632
they
00:51:40.712 --> 00:51:44.032
were all going over there, and everyone thought that he was a certain to go, but
00:51:44.072 --> 00:51:47.342
he was like, "No, I'm not going because I want to play. The reason I play golf still is because
00:51:47.392 --> 00:51:51.032
I wanna win majors." And that is all what h- you know, all of his year
00:51:51.072 --> 00:51:53.132
is geared around that. Mm. So,
00:51:53.432 --> 00:52:00.252
um, obviously it helps to play well in other tournaments, but, um, we've definitely found the trend when he's had
00:52:00.262 --> 00:52:04.152
a, a warm-up tournament. So, like, Scottish Open, we actually missed the cut. We didn't
00:52:04.192 --> 00:52:06.072
play well. Well, he, he,
00:52:06.112 --> 00:52:08.052
he played well. He was doing some good stuff, but,
00:52:08.092 --> 00:52:13.012
like, it wa- it didn't kind of, uh, all fall together, and then it just fell together
00:52:13.052 --> 00:52:13.932
on the Open. And,
00:52:14.012 --> 00:52:17.272
um, you know, Mark did, an amazing job that week, his coach,
00:52:17.952 --> 00:52:18.212
um,
00:52:18.372 --> 00:52:22.272
just on keeping him on track on doing the same things and,
00:52:22.372 --> 00:52:24.112
um, really build,
00:52:24.432 --> 00:52:26.252
you know, keep building up his confidence
00:52:26.332 --> 00:52:26.612
and,
00:52:27.292 --> 00:52:27.792
um,
00:52:28.372 --> 00:52:30.392
and, you know, working with someone.
00:52:31.072 --> 00:52:35.392
You know, Mark has been amazing for me as well and, and I think he's been amazing for Rosie
00:52:35.412 --> 00:52:40.072
'cause, um, he wasn't fi- he wasn't involved when I first got involved with, with Rosie, and he kind
00:52:40.112 --> 00:52:40.172
of
00:52:40.212 --> 00:52:43.052
came on board, uh, start of the second season,
00:52:44.372 --> 00:52:49.112
and he's just been, he's been amazing. He's been so helpful with me and teaching me so much
00:52:49.152 --> 00:52:55.932
stuff, um, about the golf swing, which I think another, that is one thing that I would recommend for anyone
00:52:56.012 --> 00:52:59.932
working in, you know, and you wanna work with golfers, is go and spend time with high-quality
00:53:00.012 --> 00:53:00.592
coaches.
00:53:01.032 --> 00:53:04.352
Mm-hmm. Like, you will learn so much
00:53:04.472 --> 00:53:07.132
about all, all the different, you know,
00:53:07.512 --> 00:53:07.812
um,
00:53:08.772 --> 00:53:10.172
patterns in the golf swing.
00:53:10.452 --> 00:53:15.992
Um, and that definitely does... You know, I, I'll quite often do something in the gym, and I'll show
00:53:16.012 --> 00:53:18.132
it to Mark, and he'll be like, "Oh, actually, can you change
00:53:18.192 --> 00:53:23.012
that?" Mm. He goes, "I don't, I don't quite like that movement or the pattern. Um, I don't wa-
00:53:23.172 --> 00:53:24.112
you know, can you just change
00:53:24.152 --> 00:53:29.032
it to this?" So, like, I'll, you know, I'll always take on board stuff that he says, and he'll
00:53:29.072 --> 00:53:31.012
always take on board stuff that I suggest as well.
00:53:31.752 --> 00:53:31.972
Um,
00:53:32.372 --> 00:53:36.112
and he's taught me so much about Rosie's golf swing that I feel like I can help
00:53:36.152 --> 00:53:37.532
Rosie in certain situations
00:53:37.592 --> 00:53:42.112
as well. Like, if he's not there and I can see that Rosie's doing something, I have the confidence
00:53:42.172 --> 00:53:44.032
now to say, "Rosie, you're not doing
00:53:44.072 --> 00:53:46.032
this," because of Mark.
00:53:47.652 --> 00:53:48.972
You know? But that's only because
00:53:49.032 --> 00:53:54.942
Mark has really installed the confidence in me and taught me a lot about Rosie's golf swing, and the patterns,
00:53:55.012 --> 00:53:56.972
and the Trackman numbers, and all that
00:53:57.032 --> 00:54:00.992
sort of stuff, for me to actually be like, "Actually, Rosie, you, you look like you're doing
00:54:01.032 --> 00:54:06.852
this, mate." Like... And, you know, and, you know, nine times out of 10 he's, you know, it, it helps.
00:54:07.112 --> 00:54:12.092
So I was gonna say, what was that first time like to actually, you know, step in, Mark's
00:54:12.112 --> 00:54:13.952
not around, you're, you're there watching him hit
00:54:14.012 --> 00:54:17.852
or, you know? That, that actually, it was, it was at Wales farther this year, I think. So we, he
00:54:17.872 --> 00:54:21.242
didn't play well, and he was hitting balls after. He was just getting so... He was getting the arms. He
00:54:21.252 --> 00:54:22.392
was getting really angry.
00:54:23.132 --> 00:54:26.982
And, um, well, not angry, just frustrated. He was getting really frustrated,
00:54:27.032 --> 00:54:31.072
and I, I just remember I like, I was, I was, took some videos and I was like,
00:54:31.082 --> 00:54:32.988
"Mate," I was just like-You
00:54:33.048 --> 00:54:36.968
just, you're, you're sliding towards the target in your backswing. Like, you're, you're too far
00:54:37.008 --> 00:54:39.228
left too early. Um,
00:54:40.328 --> 00:54:41.118
and yeah, and
00:54:41.468 --> 00:54:42.958
that, that was all I said really, and
00:54:43.008 --> 00:54:47.168
it was... It kind of really, really helped straight away. And then we
00:54:47.868 --> 00:54:51.248
chatted with Mark after and he was like, "Yeah, you're sliding too far left, you're losing your height
00:54:51.308 --> 00:54:55.188
as well." But it, it kind of goes hand-in-hand with Rosie where he slides too far left,
00:54:55.228 --> 00:54:58.008
he gets too much left knee bend, and his head drops a little
00:54:58.048 --> 00:54:58.288
bit.
00:54:59.188 --> 00:55:00.208
Um, so like,
00:55:00.548 --> 00:55:02.808
and then, then his sequence is all out, so then he-
00:55:03.048 --> 00:55:03.968
Right ... has to, like, right
00:55:04.008 --> 00:55:07.008
side bend and back up. So, um,
00:55:08.208 --> 00:55:09.148
it, it, it's, it's one of those things
00:55:09.188 --> 00:55:14.048
where, like, I feel like I am competent enough now to be able to talk to Rosie, and
00:55:14.288 --> 00:55:16.088
I've spent so much time watching him hit balls
00:55:16.128 --> 00:55:20.138
as well. Right. And I'd spent a lot of time with Mark. You know, we do training camps
00:55:20.148 --> 00:55:24.068
at Mark's. I've looked at the 3D data, I've been there when they've taken his 3D, I know
00:55:24.108 --> 00:55:25.948
what he does, uh, well, I know what he does
00:55:26.048 --> 00:55:28.268
poorly, and I know how that looks on camera
00:55:28.308 --> 00:55:28.768
as well.
00:55:29.448 --> 00:55:30.928
Mm-hmm. So, like, for me
00:55:31.048 --> 00:55:32.088
to, um...
00:55:32.748 --> 00:55:33.078
And it's not,
00:55:33.148 --> 00:55:38.068
and I'm, I'm not coaching him. All I'm doing is I'm picking up on something that Mark has, Mark
00:55:38.108 --> 00:55:38.208
has
00:55:38.248 --> 00:55:40.958
showed me. Right. 'Cause, like, there's such a... Obviously,
00:55:41.028 --> 00:55:45.038
there's, I would never, ever recommend someone in my position to coach a golf,
00:55:45.068 --> 00:55:47.968
'cause that's not your job, and, like, you have to stay in your lanes
00:55:48.088 --> 00:55:54.988
here. But you also have to be receptive to work with a coach and understand how your golfer moves in
00:55:55.008 --> 00:55:55.108
their
00:55:55.188 --> 00:55:59.788
golf swing, and know that what you're doing in the gym with them is not hindering anything you want them
00:55:59.868 --> 00:56:00.948
to do in their golf swing. It's
00:56:01.008 --> 00:56:02.848
actually helping. Um- Yeah
00:56:03.068 --> 00:56:07.088
... a- and, and also have the confidence that if the coach isn't there,
00:56:07.888 --> 00:56:11.428
you should be able to say it. And, and if you feel like you see something,
00:56:11.888 --> 00:56:14.098
you should, in my opinion, be able to say to them,
00:56:14.708 --> 00:56:16.068
"Look, this is what Mark's told
00:56:16.108 --> 00:56:18.048
me." And I always relate it back to
00:56:18.088 --> 00:56:20.108
Mark. I'll never say, "You need to do this."
00:56:20.528 --> 00:56:22.968
Right. I'll say, "Look, Mark, Mark's told me I need to keep an eye on
00:56:23.008 --> 00:56:27.748
this, um, and I can see it's kind of getting a little bit off. Can you just do this for
00:56:27.788 --> 00:56:29.058
me?" Or- Yeah
00:56:29.068 --> 00:56:32.168
... and that's kind of the way that it, it works with,
00:56:32.488 --> 00:56:35.248
with, with me and Mark, especially 'cause Mark's not based in England,
00:56:35.368 --> 00:56:38.928
so, like, um, I... and I am and Rosie is. So,
00:56:39.188 --> 00:56:41.088
um, you know, quite often if I go
00:56:41.108 --> 00:56:43.028
in with Rosie to do a practice day
00:56:43.068 --> 00:56:45.048
or whatever, um, around in England
00:56:45.088 --> 00:56:49.017
and, and he's hitting balls and we're looking at a video and, um, you know, I can
00:56:50.088 --> 00:56:52.148
be confident in what I'm saying because of Mark,
00:56:52.828 --> 00:56:54.288
and because of- Yeah ... what he's taught me, so.
00:56:55.948 --> 00:56:57.288
Yeah. That's, that's good framing,
00:56:57.908 --> 00:56:59.028
uh, in terms of, hey,
00:56:59.128 --> 00:57:01.968
delivering that, you know, this is what Mark had
00:57:02.008 --> 00:57:07.048
said. You know- Yeah ... I understand. And then also having this common language between you, Mark, and
00:57:07.088 --> 00:57:11.488
Rosie all together, right? That's really the key. 100%. That's, that's a really good way of putting it. Like, you
00:57:11.528 --> 00:57:15.048
know, having a, a good common language of
00:57:15.728 --> 00:57:19.028
all of, you know, all of the stuff that, you know... 'Cause he's got a blueprint of his swing,
00:57:19.128 --> 00:57:21.978
right? Mm-hmm. And that is laid out on, we've got it on
00:57:22.008 --> 00:57:27.008
a piece of paper. So, you know, we, we all have that. Me, Rosie, everyone in the team has that.
00:57:27.088 --> 00:57:31.098
And, um, so we know what his faults are, we know what he needs to be doing, we know what,
00:57:31.488 --> 00:57:35.148
you know, his, his backswing should look like and, and feel like to him.
00:57:35.948 --> 00:57:39.008
Um, we know what his transition should look like and feel like to him. We
00:57:39.028 --> 00:57:41.008
know what his Trackman nu- numbers should be in the
00:57:41.088 --> 00:57:45.948
realm of. Um, so it's all, we all know what it is. It's just, if he's not doing it that
00:57:45.988 --> 00:57:49.158
day, it's why is he not doing it? What is the biggest domino that's gonna
00:57:49.188 --> 00:57:51.038
help? And that's
00:57:51.068 --> 00:57:54.008
kind of like- Yeah ... you know, that's what Mark will always look at, is like, what is the
00:57:54.028 --> 00:57:55.088
biggest domino that we can look
00:57:55.148 --> 00:57:58.108
at now, um, that is gonna maybe affect
00:57:58.148 --> 00:58:04.148
the rest of it? Got it. And I like how you waited until maybe there was a day he was
00:58:04.228 --> 00:58:07.388
struggling on the range to offer th- your first piece of advice before,
00:58:07.508 --> 00:58:08.008
uh, you
00:58:08.048 --> 00:58:10.968
know instead of a day where he's maybe flushing it, you know. "You know
00:58:11.008 --> 00:58:12.088
what?" Oh, yeah. "Actually, you should do this
00:58:12.148 --> 00:58:15.008
instead." No. If they're flushing it, trust me,
00:58:15.048 --> 00:58:21.088
you don't say anything. But- I was at, uh, I was at Olympia Fields last year for the BMW,
00:58:21.608 --> 00:58:23.418
um, and I actually remember watching...
00:58:23.938 --> 00:58:28.228
Which you were probably there. So I remember watching, uh- Yeah, I was there, yeah ... I remember watching
00:58:28.268 --> 00:58:29.028
Justin Rose warm
00:58:29.128 --> 00:58:33.068
up, um, before the round, which was pretty cool. I'm just kind of reflecting on that as- Yeah,
00:58:33.108 --> 00:58:34.108
that was another- ... we were talking through
00:58:34.148 --> 00:58:37.918
watching him on the range. That was another close one. We missed out by three spots to get to
00:58:38.048 --> 00:58:40.357
Tour Champs. That was really- Yeah ... frustrating
00:58:40.408 --> 00:58:43.998
that week. Yeah. That's about 45 minutes from where I'm
00:58:44.028 --> 00:58:45.108
at. Yeah. I think
00:58:45.128 --> 00:58:45.707
he was, like...
00:58:47.028 --> 00:58:51.048
God, I think he was, like, fifth or something. I think he was, like, third or fourth last group
00:58:51.108 --> 00:58:55.288
out. And, uh, yeah, we didn't, we didn't have a g- great last day actually.
00:58:55.668 --> 00:58:56.168
But, um,
00:58:56.868 --> 00:58:57.088
yeah, he's
00:58:57.128 --> 00:59:01.008
played, he's played, you know, he's played some really good stuff this, the last two years, so. Yeah.
00:59:01.628 --> 00:59:03.028
Oh, for sure. He's still hung- hungry for
00:59:03.068 --> 00:59:03.208
it.
00:59:04.388 --> 00:59:05.148
Yeah. Um,
00:59:05.608 --> 00:59:09.968
so a couple more questions before we kinda wrap up here. And again, just appreciate your time, uh, walking
00:59:10.008 --> 00:59:14.998
us through all this. It's really interesting to hear, you know, behind the door o- of what's
00:59:15.028 --> 00:59:19.658
going on, uh, in performance, especially as we see these performances on TV all the time and, you know, as
00:59:19.908 --> 00:59:24.717
a performance practitioner myself, I'm always intrigued to hear about all the other stuff and the preparation work and, and
00:59:24.748 --> 00:59:27.008
the work afterwards- That's all- ... to get these people ready for that.
00:59:27.048 --> 00:59:29.468
So it's really cool to hear, um, and we're appreciative.
00:59:29.548 --> 00:59:31.128
So, uh, I know
00:59:31.488 --> 00:59:37.048
we connected, like you had mentioned, because you had posted something of Justin Rose using the Keiser
00:59:37.068 --> 00:59:38.968
equipment. So how did you first get your hands on
00:59:39.008 --> 00:59:39.748
the Keiser equipment?
00:59:40.428 --> 00:59:42.178
Um, when did I first use
00:59:42.208 --> 00:59:47.688
it? So I, I think I, I first used the, um, what, what's the pulley system called? Is it- The
00:59:47.708 --> 00:59:53.788
Functional Trainer? Yeah, the Functional Trainer. So I used the, um, the, the Functional Trainer. Um, I think I sh-
00:59:53.908 --> 00:59:56.248
I think I used it at just a local gym near me,
00:59:56.768 --> 00:59:58.108
and I loved the way it felt,
00:59:58.788 --> 00:59:59.968
and I loved the way that you could
01:00:00.048 --> 01:00:01.938
actually, like, you know, really,
01:00:02.108 --> 01:00:09.208
um, put some speed and power into the movements and it feel fluid. Um, so I, that's what...
01:00:09.268 --> 01:00:13.508
I've always loved the Keiser and I always sort of in my, in the back of my head, if I
01:00:13.548 --> 01:00:18.748
ever was to set up my own gym, I'd have always, um, definitely 100% that'd be a main staple of
01:00:18.808 --> 01:00:19.948
mine, is having that Keiser
01:00:20.008 --> 01:00:22.288
in there, um, rather than a cable machine.
01:00:22.368 --> 01:00:22.548
So,
01:00:23.288 --> 01:00:23.628
um,
01:00:24.008 --> 01:00:28.068
and then I first saw the Belt Squat Machine, 'cause Rosie's got one in his gym in his
01:00:28.108 --> 01:00:35.094
house. So Rosie's, you know, he's historically had, uh, back sh- back issues and-He's, he's never historically done well with
01:00:35.124 --> 01:00:39.024
like a barbell back squat or, um, you know, a front squat or safety
01:00:39.064 --> 01:00:44.054
bar squat, and we've tried him on various things but he just seems to love the back- the,
01:00:44.124 --> 01:00:45.024
the belt squat on the
01:00:45.044 --> 01:00:51.044
Kaiser belt squat. Um, and he's consi- he can generate some serious power on it. But I, I've put
01:00:51.084 --> 01:00:54.544
it on and it's like it feels like my sides are gonna rip off 'cause he- Mm-hmm ... when he
01:00:54.624 --> 01:00:56.024
puts- when he cranks it up,
01:00:56.644 --> 01:01:01.104
I'm like, "How, how do you do that?" Like, the, the amount of power and, like, resistance he can do
01:01:01.164 --> 01:01:02.384
is unbelievable, really.
01:01:03.104 --> 01:01:03.344
Um,
01:01:03.884 --> 01:01:04.204
and,
01:01:04.264 --> 01:01:06.004
uh, you know, and that's definitely,
01:01:07.084 --> 01:01:09.044
that's definitely something that I feel like
01:01:09.104 --> 01:01:09.604
Rosie,
01:01:10.164 --> 01:01:13.144
um, needs consistency in is, like,
01:01:13.593 --> 01:01:14.264
his expression
01:01:14.304 --> 01:01:14.824
of power.
01:01:16.244 --> 01:01:16.644
So, like,
01:01:17.264 --> 01:01:23.864
um, a- again, he's very, he's very, he's a s- very strong person. Like, he, he can lift a, a
01:01:23.944 --> 01:01:28.044
lot of weight, he's very comfortable lifting, he's, he's controlled.
01:01:28.664 --> 01:01:31.144
Um, but it's definitely the, the power aspect that,
01:01:31.904 --> 01:01:36.984
obviously, he's 44 now as well. So, like- Yeah ... that is definitely starting to... That's
01:01:37.004 --> 01:01:38.144
definitely something that we need to keep
01:01:38.184 --> 01:01:41.944
on top of. I think if we didn't do any of it, I think it would start to dip, but
01:01:41.964 --> 01:01:45.064
he's actually been swinging it his fastest in his whole career in the last
01:01:45.104 --> 01:01:45.684
two years.
01:01:46.504 --> 01:01:46.864
Um,
01:01:47.304 --> 01:01:47.844
you know, he's,
01:01:48.224 --> 01:01:49.224
he's regularly,
01:01:49.844 --> 01:01:50.064
I mean,
01:01:50.244 --> 01:01:53.464
the, just a couple of weeks ago he had, you know, 123,
01:01:54.064 --> 01:01:58.044
185, 187 ball speed. It was, you know, and it was, looked comfortable.
01:01:58.084 --> 01:02:02.944
It wasn't like he was trying to hit it out of his boots. So, um, it's definitely something that, you
01:02:02.984 --> 01:02:04.934
know, that- that belt squat machine is a,
01:02:05.164 --> 01:02:08.994
a massive, uh, staple in your program. Like, we'll probably do
01:02:09.044 --> 01:02:14.164
that, you know, twice a week, I would say. Um, and just mix up, mix up the reps
01:02:14.204 --> 01:02:15.044
a little bit, the speed
01:02:15.104 --> 01:02:19.714
of it, um, and kind of just see where he's at. And I, and I think it is a really
01:02:19.724 --> 01:02:23.864
good gauge for us as well, because you can always, you know, I've got, I've got all of his scores
01:02:23.884 --> 01:02:28.004
written down and stuff, so I keep a diary of it. So I can always see, like, where
01:02:28.044 --> 01:02:32.904
his body is at in, from, like, a power expression point of view as well. So- Mm-hmm ... if he's,
01:02:32.944 --> 01:02:37.094
like, a little bit down and he's not really getting to, to where his average is
01:02:37.164 --> 01:02:39.194
or not po- s- you know, surpassing
01:02:39.284 --> 01:02:41.984
that, then, you know, maybe, maybe our session might change
01:02:42.044 --> 01:02:44.084
a little bit. Maybe w- we won't
01:02:44.123 --> 01:02:44.904
go on to do,
01:02:45.244 --> 01:02:48.124
um, some plyometric work after that or,
01:02:48.864 --> 01:02:53.064
um, you know, we, we won't go on to do some more power work and later on we will
01:02:53.074 --> 01:02:54.104
kind of let his body recover
01:02:54.124 --> 01:02:54.884
a little bit. So,
01:02:55.584 --> 01:02:59.144
um, yeah, I, I kind of use it as a bit of a, a guide as well.
01:02:59.484 --> 01:02:59.784
Um,
01:03:00.264 --> 01:03:04.064
I think they're brilliant for that, and I think it's a great way of just giving them motivation to
01:03:04.104 --> 01:03:04.944
beat their score on
01:03:05.044 --> 01:03:11.124
the, on, on the, um, you know, on the, the screen. So I think it's a amazing piece
01:03:11.164 --> 01:03:12.144
of kit in that sense.
01:03:13.224 --> 01:03:14.244
Yeah. And perhaps layering
01:03:14.324 --> 01:03:14.804
some of that
01:03:15.144 --> 01:03:19.943
with the other things that you had mentioned, like how is he out there on the range, right? How's he
01:03:19.984 --> 01:03:23.084
feeling? Yeah. Then HRV too, like, and just using all of those things.
01:03:23.504 --> 01:03:26.124
And I know you do a lot of manual work too, so even all of those things
01:03:26.184 --> 01:03:28.084
together to kinda give you a snapshot where he's at each
01:03:28.124 --> 01:03:31.144
day, it sounds like. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Definitely.
01:03:31.264 --> 01:03:35.024
Um, and, uh, yeah, I just think, I just love the versatility of the functional
01:03:35.044 --> 01:03:37.344
trainer as well. Some of the stuff you can do with it, it's amazing.
01:03:37.404 --> 01:03:42.184
Right. So, um, it just allows you to be more, again, more creative with what you're doing and,
01:03:42.264 --> 01:03:45.884
um, you know, allow him to express himself in s- in
01:03:46.004 --> 01:03:47.024
certain, in
01:03:47.084 --> 01:03:47.844
certain speeds,
01:03:48.484 --> 01:03:53.224
um, certain movement patterns that would be very, very hard to do on a cable machine. So de-
01:03:53.544 --> 01:03:55.973
and definitely, like, rotational patterns. I just think rotational
01:03:56.004 --> 01:04:01.124
patterns are so sh- so bad on a, on a cable machine, whereas on a Kaiser machine, they're so good.
01:04:03.064 --> 01:04:06.964
Yeah. Absolutely. Um, from the way it feels. And even on a, even on, like, a band, just I
01:04:07.024 --> 01:04:09.204
feel like rotational exercises are so poor on a band
01:04:09.244 --> 01:04:12.264
as well. Um- Yeah. Well- From the- ... you know that bands-
01:04:12.644 --> 01:04:13.064
Point of view ... easy,
01:04:13.784 --> 01:04:16.004
e- easy to travel with the bands but at the same
01:04:16.044 --> 01:04:19.054
time- Yeah, for sure ... you know, they, they lose their resistance and, um- Yeah
01:04:19.504 --> 01:04:21.264
... you know, it's not really the same feel necessarily
01:04:21.324 --> 01:04:27.014
as- Yeah ... uh, something that you can objectively quantify. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, 100%. And
01:04:27.104 --> 01:04:29.193
I think that's such a, you know, such an amazing
01:04:29.224 --> 01:04:33.144
tool to have. Um, and also, like, just an, an amazing motivational feedback
01:04:33.224 --> 01:04:36.994
tool to be like, "Oh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna beat that score next." Especially when you're
01:04:37.024 --> 01:04:39.054
doing power work, 'cause, like, you
01:04:39.054 --> 01:04:41.064
know, people think they're doing 100%
01:04:41.104 --> 01:04:41.584
but they're not.
01:04:42.244 --> 01:04:44.284
Mm-hmm. But when you've got a score up there
01:04:44.344 --> 01:04:47.204
and you're, like, you know, really pushing the athlete to,
01:04:48.444 --> 01:04:49.184
you know, go harder,
01:04:49.284 --> 01:04:54.074
go faster, you know, then you, then you do know if they're doing 100%. If that's all they've
01:04:54.103 --> 01:04:56.404
got, that's all they've got. Right.
01:04:57.864 --> 01:05:00.004
Yeah. Uh, yeah, I appreciate it
01:05:00.024 --> 01:05:04.424
and, um, I have a couple of quick rapid fire kind of fun questions-
01:05:04.874 --> 01:05:05.984
Cool ... to wrap up with right here, if
01:05:06.004 --> 01:05:07.004
you're ready. Yeah.
01:05:07.204 --> 01:05:10.044
Um, favorite PGA golf tournament to be
01:05:10.084 --> 01:05:12.224
a part of? Oh, Torrey Pines,
01:05:12.564 --> 01:05:13.144
San Diego,
01:05:13.364 --> 01:05:16.984
all day. All right. Just love that track, so
01:05:17.044 --> 01:05:20.004
beautiful. Yeah, you can watch some of the,
01:05:20.124 --> 01:05:21.044
uh, uh, hang
01:05:21.054 --> 01:05:26.024
gliders and stuff. Oh, it's just a, it's an incredible golf course. Like, well, both of them are. The, the
01:05:26.124 --> 01:05:28.024
both tracks on that
01:05:28.124 --> 01:05:33.044
little cliff edge are just unbelievable. The way that they're designed and the, the
01:05:33.124 --> 01:05:39.504
way they look, um, and just the area, that whole area of that coastline is just so beautiful.
01:05:39.544 --> 01:05:39.714
Yeah.
01:05:40.304 --> 01:05:42.144
For sure. Uh, best part of your golf
01:05:42.204 --> 01:05:44.484
game? Um,
01:05:44.804 --> 01:05:45.124
my two
01:05:45.204 --> 01:05:49.124
iron. Part of your golf game-
01:05:49.544 --> 01:05:50.064
My two iron ... part of your golf
01:05:50.144 --> 01:05:51.984
game that- Part of your golf game that needs the
01:05:52.044 --> 01:05:54.044
most work? Oh, um, my,
01:05:54.404 --> 01:05:55.254
probably my putting,
01:05:55.384 --> 01:06:00.904
I'd say. Uh, you've traveled around a lot in America. What's been your favorite
01:06:01.024 --> 01:06:03.184
food city? Food?
01:06:04.644 --> 01:06:05.204
Um,
01:06:06.504 --> 01:06:08.004
oh. Or favorite city
01:06:08.024 --> 01:06:10.124
to tour. Um,
01:06:14.124 --> 01:06:14.584
obviously
01:06:15.344 --> 01:06:18.004
LA's been good. LA and, like, the West Coast I
01:06:18.144 --> 01:06:21.124
really do enjoy. I l- I do, I do enjoy the West Coast.
01:06:21.964 --> 01:06:22.544
Um,
01:06:23.924 --> 01:06:27.204
and then where else have we been that I've really liked?
01:06:28.904 --> 01:06:29.344
Uh,
01:06:30.744 --> 01:06:31.024
like, I,
01:06:31.184 --> 01:06:37.136
I prefer, like, obviously West Coast and, like, sort of the New York area and-A little bit up towards sort
01:06:37.176 --> 01:06:39.156
of Cana- Canada and,
01:06:40.016 --> 01:06:40.436
um,
01:06:40.776 --> 01:06:42.136
not a massive fan of Florida,
01:06:42.436 --> 01:06:43.096
just a little
01:06:43.116 --> 01:06:45.216
bit, little bit dull for me in that sense.
01:06:46.136 --> 01:06:46.396
Um,
01:06:47.036 --> 01:06:49.276
and, you know, it's got some great golf courses but again,
01:06:49.576 --> 01:06:50.396
I like,
01:06:50.436 --> 01:06:52.316
you know, picturesque, scenic,
01:06:53.136 --> 01:06:55.256
um, you know, cities you can go and explore.
01:06:55.396 --> 01:06:59.136
So, but yeah, Sa- I think San Diego is the one for me. I just... I could easily
01:06:59.176 --> 01:07:00.896
live there. Yeah. That's definitely one place
01:07:01.056 --> 01:07:05.526
I could easily go and live. Yeah, I know you've done pretty well at the RBC Canada a few times,
01:07:05.576 --> 01:07:07.046
I think. Yeah, I lo- I, that, I s- Some
01:07:07.076 --> 01:07:10.816
pretty, some pretty good success there. Yeah, really enjoyed that a lot. I really do like to watch them as
01:07:10.856 --> 01:07:14.156
well. I, it feels, it definitely feels a little bit more like British to me, though.
01:07:14.716 --> 01:07:15.056
By that,
01:07:15.416 --> 01:07:16.046
you know, I don't know
01:07:16.096 --> 01:07:21.456
why, I just, um... I've been there a few times now and it's, I really enjoy it there, so.
01:07:21.516 --> 01:07:21.665
Yeah.
01:07:22.376 --> 01:07:23.096
Um, favorite
01:07:23.116 --> 01:07:26.196
Drake song? Um, my favorite Drake song-
01:07:28.916 --> 01:07:29.106
... is,
01:07:29.106 --> 01:07:31.296
what is my favorite Drake song? God, there's so many good ones.
01:07:31.676 --> 01:07:32.116
Um,
01:07:33.376 --> 01:07:33.996
I think it's... Hold
01:07:34.016 --> 01:07:34.996
on. I
01:07:35.036 --> 01:07:35.556
can tell you that.
01:07:37.156 --> 01:07:40.036
Pretty sure. Sorry, I
01:07:40.076 --> 01:07:41.976
just need to remember the name
01:07:42.016 --> 01:07:44.216
of it. Yes, it's actually the Chicago
01:07:44.256 --> 01:07:47.116
Freestyle. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
01:07:47.186 --> 01:07:49.016
I mean, that, that is, that tune is
01:07:49.056 --> 01:07:51.036
just unbelievable. I,
01:07:51.156 --> 01:07:52.956
uh, I, I
01:07:53.036 --> 01:07:54.046
think, uh, about
01:07:54.436 --> 01:07:57.096
a year ago, I think he was on tour here in Chicago-
01:07:57.736 --> 01:07:58.996
Mm ... in October when, when
01:07:59.036 --> 01:07:59.976
I saw him, which was pretty cool.
01:08:00.536 --> 01:08:01.996
Um, all right, last
01:08:02.036 --> 01:08:06.016
thing. I know you're busy with your two kids a lot when you are home. What do you do for
01:08:06.056 --> 01:08:07.036
your own training?
01:08:07.956 --> 01:08:10.016
Okay, so obviously paddle is number
01:08:10.096 --> 01:08:11.376
one. Yeah.
01:08:12.976 --> 01:08:14.116
Um, and then I,
01:08:14.756 --> 01:08:15.046
my, my
01:08:15.096 --> 01:08:19.176
missus is a, a fitness trainer as well, so I've gotta try and keep up with her. So, uh- Ah.
01:08:19.856 --> 01:08:19.916
Uh,
01:08:20.015 --> 01:08:21.015
yeah, I can't, you
01:08:21.076 --> 01:08:22.996
know, I can't be getting out of shape,
01:08:23.076 --> 01:08:25.126
so she's in, she's in such good
01:08:25.126 --> 01:08:25.586
shape, so.
01:08:27.076 --> 01:08:32.256
Um, but, uh, yeah, I do... Quite often I'll probably do, I'll probably do, like, three strength sessions a week.
01:08:32.376 --> 01:08:34.216
Um, uh,
01:08:34.536 --> 01:08:39.055
obviously play paddle, and then I, I run as well. I really enjoy running, so I love, um, just...
01:08:39.156 --> 01:08:42.015
I might, you know, I'll even go for a long run. We've got a really nice park near me,
01:08:42.156 --> 01:08:47.036
like a, um... It's called Richmond Park, so they got all, like, deers around there and stuff, and it's,
01:08:47.176 --> 01:08:48.236
it's like a trail
01:08:48.296 --> 01:08:49.975
run. So I really enjoy doing
01:08:50.076 --> 01:08:54.076
that. Um, and then I'll do, like, interval running as well. Um, and then I,
01:08:54.416 --> 01:08:56.996
you know, I've got... Once a week I'll probably do, like, a bit
01:08:57.076 --> 01:08:57.956
more of, like, a,
01:08:58.555 --> 01:09:04.015
um, CrossFit-style type workout where I'll do, like, you know, 30 seconds on, 30 seconds off. I might
01:09:04.076 --> 01:09:06.236
do, um, sled pushes,
01:09:06.656 --> 01:09:08.176
um, assault bike,
01:09:08.756 --> 01:09:09.076
med ball
01:09:09.136 --> 01:09:09.856
throws,
01:09:10.336 --> 01:09:10.656
um,
01:09:11.395 --> 01:09:13.935
and then might hit the bag for 45 minutes as well
01:09:14.006 --> 01:09:18.076
a week. Just v- I just vary it up, really. Just anything that makes me feel good, especially with
01:09:18.095 --> 01:09:22.956
all the travel. Like, coming back from America, like, the, that week after, I just, I just
01:09:23.015 --> 01:09:24.026
have to do things that are gonna make
01:09:24.076 --> 01:09:24.536
me feel good.
01:09:25.156 --> 01:09:27.956
Right. And make my body just wake up a little bit
01:09:28.055 --> 01:09:32.996
and make me feel more energized, 'cause it's, you know, coming back from the time difference, I can definitely
01:09:33.055 --> 01:09:37.845
feel, like, a little bit lethargic and, you know, I wanna be as energized as I can for,
01:09:38.036 --> 01:09:39.055
you know, for my kids and stuff.
01:09:39.136 --> 01:09:44.595
So, um, I just basically... And I like to train more in the mornings and get myself wa- woken up,
01:09:44.696 --> 01:09:46.996
so. And
01:09:47.055 --> 01:09:47.816
Charlie, last one.
01:09:48.136 --> 01:09:52.006
Um, if anyone wants to reach out to you, anyone who's listening in wants to, uh, you
01:09:52.006 --> 01:09:53.996
know, learn more, connect with you, what's the best way for them to do
01:09:54.055 --> 01:09:58.476
that? Uh, yeah, probably just on Instagram. So my Instagram, CGM Performance,
01:09:58.816 --> 01:10:00.976
so just @cgmperformance.
01:10:01.276 --> 01:10:01.456
Um,
01:10:02.076 --> 01:10:02.136
but
01:10:02.176 --> 01:10:04.966
yeah, that, you know, just message me on there. That's the
01:10:05.016 --> 01:10:15.516
easiest way, I'd say. Cool. We'll make sure to share that in the episode notes. That's @cgmperformance on Instagram. Charlie,
01:10:15.576 --> 01:10:17.946
thank you so much for joining me today on the Kaiser Human Performance
01:10:18.016 --> 01:10:22.176
podcast. We appreciate you giving us a glimpse into the world of performance on the go.
01:10:22.956 --> 01:10:24.316
I really enjoyed the conversation.
01:10:24.716 --> 01:10:24.896
Uh,
01:10:25.376 --> 01:10:25.426
you
01:10:25.456 --> 01:10:27.216
know, thank you for all of your insight,
01:10:27.756 --> 01:10:31.956
uh, and kind of peeling back the curtain. And again, for those looking to follow Charlie, make sure
01:10:32.036 --> 01:10:34.676
you do that, please, @cgmperformance,
01:10:35.236 --> 01:10:38.176
uh, to kind of stay up to date on everything that he's doing. So, thank you again.
01:10:38.956 --> 01:10:40.446
Fantastic. Thanks, Dave, really appreciate
01:10:40.446 --> 01:10:46.316
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