Clint Martin: The Modern-Day Strength & Conditioning Coach

On this episode we are joined by Coach Clint Martin. Clint has been in the human performance setting for more than a decade. After stints at Iowa State and Nevada, and he now serves as the Associate Head Coach of Athletic Performance at The University of Texas. He has been an integral part of 5 National Championships and has coached more than a dozen Olympic medalists in track and swimming. We discuss a range of topics related to Clint’s experiences as a human performance coach.  He shares his unique professional journey and insights that have allowed him to develop meaningful relationships with sport coaches and maximize sport and weight room integration. In the second half of the episode, we shift gears and talk about entrepreneurship, life in outside of coaching, including Clint’s date with the Dinnie Stones at the Rogue Invitational. 

00:00:05.950 --> 00:00:08.260 Welcome to the Keiser Human Performance Podcast. 00:00:09.380 --> 00:00:13.000 The goal of this podcast. is to educate and inspire you to make the most of your 00:00:13.040 --> 00:00:13.950 journey in health and 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:21.160 performance. Each episode will provide an in-depth discussion on a specific topic related to human performance. 00:00:22.100 --> 00:00:22.980 If you're a growth-minded 00:00:23.040 --> 00:00:25.290 individual seeking knowledge and better solutions, 00:00:26.010 --> 00:00:26.210 this 00:00:26.220 --> 00:00:31.020 podcast is for you. We're glad you're listening in, and we're excited to learn alongside 00:00:31.060 --> 00:00:47.070 you. My name is Gabe Derman, and today I'm joined by Coach Clint Martin. Clint has been 00:00:47.080 --> 00:00:53.010 in the human performance. setting for more than a decade. After stints at Iowa State and Nevada, he now serves 00:00:53.060 --> 00:00:56.080 as the associate head coach of athletic performance. at the University of 00:00:56.120 --> 00:01:02.040 Texas. He has been an integral part of five national championships and has coached more than a dozen Olympic 00:01:02.120 --> 00:01:03.080 medalists in track 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:05.220 and swimming. On today's 00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:10.220 episode, we' discuss a range of topics related to Clint's experiences as a human performance coach. 00:01:11.340 --> 00:01:16.060 He shares his unique professional journey and insights that have allowed him to develop meaningful relationships 00:01:16.100 --> 00:01:23.520 with sport coaches and maximize sport and weight room integration. In the second half of the episode, we' shift gears 00:01:23.560 --> 00:01:24.020 and talk about 00:01:24.060 --> 00:01:25.980 entrepreneurship, life outside 00:01:26.020 --> 00:01:30.430 of coaching, including Clint's date with the Dennystones at the Rogue Invitational. 00:01:31.460 --> 00:01:37.780 You. can follow Clint on Instagram at clintmart10 and on Twitter at mrcmart10. 00:01:38.580 --> 00:01:38.980 If you're ever 00:01:39.020 --> 00:01:43.320 in the Austin area, Clint invites you to stop by the UT Athletic Performance Center to connect. 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:44.280 Enjoy 00:01:44.290 --> 00:01:51.140 the episode. Clint, how we doing today? 00:01:51.900 --> 00:01:52.980 All good, brother. It's always good to 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:55.040 see you. How are you? I'm doing great. 00:01:55.090 --> 00:01:58.720 Thank you for asking. I would like to start off with one big question right here, all right? 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:04.140 Talk to me. 2023 was a big year for Clint Martin. because... 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:07.220 Wedding ring, wedding vows. 00:02:07.860 --> 00:02:09.280 No tools. All those things. 00:02:10.100 --> 00:02:12.400 For sure. Big change in my life, absolutely. 00:02:13.540 --> 00:02:14.049 For the better, 00:02:14.140 --> 00:02:17.980 no doubt. For the better. Well- ... for me, for better. I don't know about her. You can ask 00:02:18.060 --> 00:02:19.000 her, but- ... my 00:02:19.040 --> 00:02:23.720 life is much better now. All right. Well, first of all, congrats to you and Stormy on tying the knot. 00:02:23.760 --> 00:02:27.100 Two things I noticed from my own social media scrolling. Number 00:02:27.200 --> 00:02:29.200 one, your groomsmen footage. 00:02:29.200 --> 00:02:33.300 Ooh. Incredible. The NFL, NBA game day style walk-up, 00:02:33.960 --> 00:02:35.140 uh, incredible. I'm probably gonna 00:02:35.160 --> 00:02:36.940 steal that one from you. And then number 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:41.140 two, uh, did I see correctly that you had the great Donny Mabe officiate 00:02:41.180 --> 00:02:48.140 your wedding? Donny Mabe graced us with his presence as my, as my officiant, and it was, it was awesome. 00:02:48.780 --> 00:02:53.010 It was the best thing ever . It was great. Amazing. I'm sure it was a blast, and 00:02:53.040 --> 00:02:56.120 I'm sure Donny killed it like he always does. Like he always does. 00:02:57.160 --> 00:03:01.040 We're excited to bring you on our podcast today because obviously we have a tremendous amount of respect for you 00:03:01.160 --> 00:03:04.000 as a human performance coach, as an educator- Thank you ... and 00:03:04.060 --> 00:03:08.670 as a person. Your resume speaks for itself. The All-Americans, championships, 00:03:08.980 --> 00:03:09.300 Olympic 00:03:09.340 --> 00:03:15.020 medals. It's impressive, no doubt. One of the things that really helps separate you from the masses of strength 00:03:15.060 --> 00:03:18.269 and conditioning coaches is your ability to really do things in an original 00:03:18.300 --> 00:03:23.860 way, and you really carved out your own path in this industry. I think a lot of strength and conditioning 00:03:23.900 --> 00:03:26.290 coaches value collaboration with sport coaches, 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:31.620 but few are able to really do it at the level that you've been able to do it at. 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:32.130 All the while, 00:03:32.480 --> 00:03:38.150 you've been able to create a work-life balance that has allowed you to be entrepreneurial and have an identity outside 00:03:38.180 --> 00:03:42.260 the weight room, a term that I'm gonna coin today as a modern strength and conditioning coach. 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:42.609 Mm-hmm. 00:03:43.340 --> 00:03:47.040 So, happy to have you on. I have my notepad. I'm ready to go, and I'm excited to 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:47.980 learn, and 00:03:48.260 --> 00:03:50.030 you ready to do this? Let's do it. Let's 00:03:50.040 --> 00:03:55.100 dive in. All right, so begin by telling us about your current position at the University of Texas. Athletic 00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:59.880 Performance. What teams do you currently work with, and how has your role evolved from when you first joined the 00:03:59.900 --> 00:04:00.109 staff 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:06.800 till now? I'm associate head coach of performance at UT. Um, I'm in my ninth season, so I've been down 00:04:06.820 --> 00:04:06.980 here 00:04:07.020 --> 00:04:10.980 for a while now. Um, I directly oversee a full-time 00:04:11.040 --> 00:04:15.060 staff member, um, another staff member with another one of my programs, and I oversee track 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:20.290 and field, men's swimming, and women's golf. So, a lot of hands in a lot of baskets, 00:04:20.760 --> 00:04:23.060 um, but it's, it's definitely changed a lot since I got 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:26.100 there. Um, like when I came in, I came in as 00:04:26.220 --> 00:04:28.940 an assistant. Um, I'd left a... It was 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:33.020 kinda weird, different, different transition than most. I'd left a head men's hoops job, 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:35.040 um, to come in here and assist with 00:04:35.100 --> 00:04:38.120 track. Um, for me, I was 24 years old, 00:04:38.820 --> 00:04:42.900 and I felt that I was at a place where I needed to be vulnerable, and 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:47.640 I didn't feel that anymore. Um, so I was like, "Let me, let me step away before I get too 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:49.110 comfortable over here in men's hoops, 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:51.200 uh, with no oversight or anything like that, 00:04:51.610 --> 00:04:54.980 and let me get back in the weeds. Let me continue to learn ag- Let me continue to get 00:04:55.020 --> 00:04:56.120 pushed." Um, so that's 00:04:56.140 --> 00:04:58.640 how I came in, um, as a 24-year-old, 00:04:59.220 --> 00:05:04.050 and obviously my role has shifted considerably since then, not assisting with teams, but, um, leading 00:05:04.080 --> 00:05:10.110 teams, and leading a department, and, um, designing weight rooms and different things like that. So, the role has changed 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:11.180 a ton, um, 00:05:11.280 --> 00:05:11.500 but 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:14.100 it's been a, a different, 00:05:15.080 --> 00:05:16.060 it's been a different 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:17.140 kind 00:05:17.180 --> 00:05:22.060 of upcoming or r- come up than I thought it would be. Um, a lot different than what 00:05:22.140 --> 00:05:26.360 I had planned. I didn't think I'd be here that long. Next thing you know, it's going on a decade 00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:28.080 and here we are. 00:05:29.580 --> 00:05:33.969 I was gonna say, nine years. That went by that, went by pretty fast, huh? Quick. Quick. 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:36.260 Now, these gray hairs would say differently, but yeah, quick. 00:05:37.500 --> 00:05:40.200 Wow. Well, yeah, I, I think that's quite uncommon probably for, 00:05:40.780 --> 00:05:41.960 you know, a young 24-year-old 00:05:42.020 --> 00:05:48.780 coach that is running a men's basketball program to leave, like you said, to be an assistant for track and 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:50.040 field and, and working with track 00:05:50.060 --> 00:05:53.960 and field. So- Yeah ... good on you for recognizing that, you know, you wanted to push yourself in a 00:05:53.980 --> 00:05:56.020 certain kind of way, and here you are nine years 00:05:56.060 --> 00:05:57.060 later. For 00:05:57.140 --> 00:06:02.140 sure. So, we spoke at the UT Athletic Performance Clinic, which is coming up soon by the way 00:06:02.500 --> 00:06:02.760 again, 00:06:03.260 --> 00:06:08.000 about two years ago, and I remember we were talking about the importance of having a strong relationship with your 00:06:08.020 --> 00:06:09.210 head sport coach. Mm-hmm. 00:06:09.950 --> 00:06:10.990 Or your respective 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:15.110 head sport coaches. Not that this is a new idea by any means, but while a lot 00:06:15.130 --> 00:06:21.210 of coaches know that this is important, I don't think that that's really the easiest thing to foster, and foster- 00:06:21.210 --> 00:06:22.050 Sure ... in a genuine manner. 00:06:22.910 --> 00:06:24.120 So my question to you, Clint, is, 00:06:24.490 --> 00:06:25.020 you know, you've been there for 00:06:25.070 --> 00:06:28.030 nine years now, how you've been able to create a strong, 00:06:28.370 --> 00:06:30.980 trusting, and really meaningful relationship with your respective 00:06:31.010 --> 00:06:31.650 sport coaches. 00:06:33.150 --> 00:06:38.590 I think this is, like you said, it's not a new th- ideology. It's not something that I just came 00:06:38.670 --> 00:06:42.090 up with. Um, the biggest thing that you have to have is 00:06:42.130 --> 00:06:45.350 patience. Um, like any genuine relationship 00:06:45.750 --> 00:06:47.190 that you're going to build, it's not gonna happen 00:06:47.230 --> 00:06:48.970 overnight, um, and you can't expect 00:06:49.010 --> 00:06:50.130 it to. With, 00:06:51.190 --> 00:06:53.190 with most of my sport coaches, I've had 00:06:53.510 --> 00:06:57.070 multiple track staffs here since I've been here. Um, I've had the same swim staff 00:06:57.110 --> 00:07:01.180 since I've been here. Um, and I picked up women's golf three years into the process. 00:07:01.730 --> 00:07:02.030 But for 00:07:02.130 --> 00:07:09.170 me, I had to realize that this is what they are here for. They are here to oversee this program, 00:07:09.230 --> 00:07:10.119 their respective program, 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:18.070 and that most of them have been coaching 20-plus years. So they've seen-- They've been doing these things since before 00:07:18.150 --> 00:07:20.210 our profession wasn't really even a profession, 00:07:20.450 --> 00:07:28.170 right? And then over the years they've, they've seen how many strength coaches. So how can I expect them to 00:07:28.310 --> 00:07:32.990 just welcome me with open arms, "Hey, I'm your guy." How many guys have you had in the past? How 00:07:33.010 --> 00:07:35.370 many girls have you had in the past, and did you get along with them? 00:07:35.490 --> 00:07:39.170 Um, if you had a great strength coach, then you're probably gonna assume that your next strength coach 00:07:39.630 --> 00:07:40.970 isn't going to be great. Regression to 00:07:41.010 --> 00:07:41.970 the mean, right? Or 00:07:42.010 --> 00:07:44.970 if you had a, a handful of really bad strength coaches, then you're gonna assume 00:07:45.010 --> 00:07:45.950 the same for your next. 00:07:46.310 --> 00:07:50.910 So for me, I think the biggest thing that helped me is just trying to sit down and try to 00:07:50.950 --> 00:07:51.090 meet 00:07:51.110 --> 00:07:51.710 them where they're at, 00:07:52.290 --> 00:07:56.030 and I don't need to show what I know or anything like that. I need to show them 00:07:56.070 --> 00:07:59.150 that I care about their program, and that I'm here for them and their program. 00:07:59.460 --> 00:08:00.090 And that's been, 00:08:00.730 --> 00:08:03.130 to be honest, the best thing that's helped me kinda 00:08:03.190 --> 00:08:09.110 elevate my career. So what are some of those early conversations like? Like, you went through a track and field- 00:08:09.140 --> 00:08:14.010 Mm-hmm ... uh, overhaul with the staff, right? Yeah. And you were-- y-you remained with track and field, so those 00:08:14.050 --> 00:08:19.950 early conversations, right? You said, "Hey, I wanna show that I care about their program." What conversations are you having? 00:08:19.990 --> 00:08:24.090 What questions are you asking early on? What is that like to show that you are 00:08:24.130 --> 00:08:30.030 caring? It's funny. It's funny you ask this. So when Coach Flo got hired, I knew it was gonna 00:08:30.090 --> 00:08:35.030 happen. I knew our staff was on the way out. I was actually-- I flew from the national championship, 00:08:35.130 --> 00:08:40.150 uh, overseas, 'cause I was consulting at that point. Um, and I was at 13-hour time difference, 00:08:40.750 --> 00:08:41.289 and 00:08:41.730 --> 00:08:41.990 I woke 00:08:42.030 --> 00:08:42.650 up one morning, 00:08:43.309 --> 00:08:44.990 and I had 40-something missed 00:08:45.050 --> 00:08:47.190 calls, 50-something texts. 00:08:47.890 --> 00:08:50.010 Uh, my boss had hit me a bunch of times. I had a bunch of 00:08:50.090 --> 00:08:50.970 athletes, "Hey, are 00:08:51.010 --> 00:08:54.950 you still here? Are you still here?" Okay, so I know it just happened. So the first thing I did 00:08:55.030 --> 00:08:55.810 was I called my boss, 00:08:56.390 --> 00:08:58.030 9:00 AM, and I said, "Hey, 00:08:58.290 --> 00:08:59.970 who is it, and can you 00:09:00.010 --> 00:09:03.910 get me their email?" And that was the first thing that, the first conversation I had was, "Hey, 00:09:04.150 --> 00:09:04.970 I'm here to support you and 00:09:05.010 --> 00:09:08.590 your program. Um, let me know if there's anything you need from me." 00:09:08.690 --> 00:09:13.010 Like, nothing about resume, nothing about agendas. What do you need from me? 'Cause at the end 00:09:13.030 --> 00:09:14.050 of the day, we're support staff. 00:09:14.650 --> 00:09:17.030 Um, so that's what some of those conversations 00:09:17.070 --> 00:09:21.550 looked like from the beginning. And then when I got on the ground, it was more of me sitting back 00:09:21.670 --> 00:09:24.130 and trying to understand and trying to learn 00:09:24.230 --> 00:09:26.030 from, um, from my coach. 00:09:26.470 --> 00:09:27.970 Because I can understand track and field 00:09:28.010 --> 00:09:32.850 like the back of my hand in this context, but I've never seen it under the context of this head 00:09:32.890 --> 00:09:37.470 coach. So I might have no idea what it is I'm supposed to do. So for me, it's trying to 00:09:37.510 --> 00:09:37.930 make sure, 00:09:38.030 --> 00:09:40.150 one, I can meet them where they're at, but I have to understand 00:09:40.170 --> 00:09:45.500 where they're going to also help their athletes get there. So it was just trying to figure out what it 00:09:45.530 --> 00:09:48.130 was they actually needed from a performance coach. 00:09:50.270 --> 00:09:50.730 Definitely. 00:09:51.010 --> 00:09:53.050 And leaning into that 00:09:53.110 --> 00:09:58.920 a little bit here, let's talk a little about some of the integration between training on the track and the 00:09:58.990 --> 00:10:05.810 weight room. Um, we had you on an episode, of the Kaiser Education series with Derek and with Les last 00:10:05.850 --> 00:10:08.070 year, which was fantastic, and my understanding is that you're doing 00:10:08.110 --> 00:10:14.150 some really great things. Now, from what you said, I know that those things didn't happen overnight necessarily. There was, 00:10:14.190 --> 00:10:18.930 there was a lot of sitting back, being patient, listening. Yeah. And I'm sure as a coach, you're eager to 00:10:18.990 --> 00:10:22.840 share what you know and show that you can provide value, but really you're just-- 00:10:23.010 --> 00:10:25.170 you have to really remain patient. 00:10:25.210 --> 00:10:30.010 For sure. Um, if you can give us some insight, though, kind of how that's evolved to where 00:10:30.030 --> 00:10:34.330 you gotten to now. Um, I know we could probably do an entire series on this. Sure. But really a 00:10:34.510 --> 00:10:38.090 30,000-foot view of your general approach to integrating 00:10:38.130 --> 00:10:43.110 weight room with track. Yeah. So I love that you asked that question. So for 00:10:43.210 --> 00:10:49.490 us, we don't think about integrating the weight room with the track. We think of everything as a stressor for 00:10:49.530 --> 00:10:56.010 adaptation. So we think of the weight room being as important as what's going on on the track, 00:10:56.370 --> 00:10:57.950 as important as what's happening in the training 00:10:58.010 --> 00:10:59.910 room, as important as what's happening 00:11:00.050 --> 00:11:05.230 nutritionally, right? 'Cause everything for us is a stressor that adds to the adaptation pie. 00:11:05.630 --> 00:11:05.790 So 00:11:06.330 --> 00:11:06.930 yes, it might not 00:11:07.050 --> 00:11:10.190 all be equal amounts and equal percentages of how important 00:11:10.230 --> 00:11:15.630 they are, but if they're not looked at from the same lens as this thing is one of our most, 00:11:15.810 --> 00:11:18.010 most important things that we do for our athletes, 00:11:18.390 --> 00:11:19.070 then we've failed. 00:11:19.550 --> 00:11:20.010 So we look 00:11:20.050 --> 00:11:25.010 at everything from the same lens all the time. So I don't do anything in the weight 00:11:25.050 --> 00:11:27.160 room unless I know what's happening on the track, 00:11:27.550 --> 00:11:28.230 and vice versa. 00:11:28.570 --> 00:11:32.950 Coach. Flo and I have conversations about what's gonna happen on the track to make decisions about 00:11:33.150 --> 00:11:36.250 what we're gonna do from a weight room standpoint and, at the same time, 00:11:36.310 --> 00:11:39.990 what they need to be doing with the nutritionist going, or the dieticians going in as 00:11:40.030 --> 00:11:42.610 well. So all those things happen simultaneously. 00:11:45.230 --> 00:11:46.750 Right. So when you're discussing 00:11:47.210 --> 00:11:53.150 KPIs or things that are important, it sounds like those are all shared amongst everybody no matter what 00:11:53.190 --> 00:11:54.070 discipline you're in. Is that 00:11:54.130 --> 00:11:56.900 right? Yeah, absolutely. So from anybody who's-- 00:11:57.090 --> 00:11:59.050 So f-for myself, and then any of 00:11:59.090 --> 00:12:04.920 the event coaches, anyone who can put a stressor on the body physiologically, right? Um, 00:12:05.070 --> 00:12:08.990 for us, we have to share the same KPIs, because if I'm chasing whatever I'm 00:12:09.030 --> 00:12:12.610 chasing in the weight room and it's not matching up with what they need, whether that be from a skill 00:12:12.690 --> 00:12:18.526 acquisition standpoint or from an output standpoint, then what are we doing?So for us, it's, it's trying to make sure 00:12:18.566 --> 00:12:21.046 that we're all going in the same direction, but we gotta figure out what that 00:12:21.066 --> 00:12:27.896 direction is. Usually, that starts with either the sport coach or, um, being part of that conversation or being at 00:12:27.966 --> 00:12:33.986 practice. So if you can provide us maybe a little bit of insight into your preparation 00:12:34.066 --> 00:12:38.226 for every season, right? You're in the off-season, you're getting ready for students to return to campus. Mm-hmm. You're having 00:12:38.266 --> 00:12:39.256 your meetings with your coaching 00:12:39.306 --> 00:12:43.146 staffs. Are you redefining things every single year? Are you saying, "Hey, this is what's important 00:12:43.156 --> 00:12:48.186 to see?" Like, can you give us some insight maybe what those meetings are like before those student athletes return, 00:12:48.246 --> 00:12:50.986 and kind of what the game plan and strategic plans are for the 00:12:51.046 --> 00:12:54.106 annual year? Yeah, absolutely. So I'll stick with track 00:12:54.166 --> 00:12:54.796 right now. 00:12:54.796 --> 00:12:58.126 Um, even, it's really good, going into an Olympic year, this is really 00:12:58.146 --> 00:12:58.866 important for us. 00:12:59.426 --> 00:13:03.186 Um, we were starting to have those conversations before the season was even done last 00:13:03.226 --> 00:13:08.146 year. Um, and for us, I was able to sit down with my head sport scientist 00:13:08.226 --> 00:13:12.666 and then sit down with the data analytics guys and figure out if there was anything else that we had 00:13:12.726 --> 00:13:17.986 looked at coming out of competition season that seems to have been influenced by 00:13:18.026 --> 00:13:22.826 the training. So we've had a, we have a ton of tests that we run. We get data from a 00:13:22.926 --> 00:13:27.006 lot of different avenues, a lot of different objective feedbacks. Um, but for 00:13:27.106 --> 00:13:30.226 us, we're able to dial in every year something 00:13:30.286 --> 00:13:35.056 else. Um, so through this last season, we had a bunch of things that we were looking at that 00:13:35.066 --> 00:13:37.166 we know these things are really important for 00:13:37.606 --> 00:13:38.096 our 100 00:13:38.146 --> 00:13:43.086 meter females. We know these things are really important for our 400 meter men. Great. What can we glean 00:13:43.106 --> 00:13:45.166 from this last season that can be 00:13:45.246 --> 00:13:46.986 more info for us to 00:13:47.066 --> 00:13:49.046 add into our, um, kind of our 00:13:49.066 --> 00:13:54.146 KPIs, right? So we're looking at those things first. I'll have those conversations with the data guys, 00:13:54.586 --> 00:13:56.036 and then I can take those to the head coach 00:13:56.086 --> 00:13:59.166 and see, "Hey, what are... These are the things that we're seeing from 00:13:59.246 --> 00:14:02.946 a, from an objective standpoint that we can change, or things that seem 00:14:03.006 --> 00:14:06.826 to be important. And now, how do we wanna try to attack those things? Do we wanna do them in 00:14:06.846 --> 00:14:09.986 the weight room? Do we wanna do them on the track? Do we wanna do them simultaneously? When do 00:14:10.026 --> 00:14:11.286 those things need to be approached?" 00:14:11.746 --> 00:14:14.076 Um, so that's kind of how those conversations will go. But every 00:14:14.166 --> 00:14:14.966 year we try 00:14:15.006 --> 00:14:16.966 to add another layer, um, to what 00:14:17.006 --> 00:14:19.086 it is we're objectively 00:14:19.106 --> 00:14:23.946 training. You mentioned it being an Olympic year, so I'm curious to ask 00:14:24.006 --> 00:14:25.065 about how you 00:14:25.146 --> 00:14:31.326 balance preparation for NCAAs and the collegiate season, 00:14:32.146 --> 00:14:33.295 knowing that it's also an Olympic 00:14:33.346 --> 00:14:38.956 cycle- Sure ... it's also an Olympic year. Great thing for, for us is 00:14:39.046 --> 00:14:40.166 we had, shoot, 00:14:40.926 --> 00:14:46.986 s- five or six athletes last year on the track program that obviously did really well at the NCAA 00:14:47.026 --> 00:14:50.986 level, and then a month later were able to go out and make finals at, uh, at the 00:14:51.026 --> 00:14:57.135 World Championships. So obviously, he's been doing it a long time. I've had a great opportunity these last seven 00:14:57.186 --> 00:15:02.486 or eight years, um, to be able to work with a lot of those athletes post-collegiately or, um, post their 00:15:02.526 --> 00:15:09.006 season that year. Um, so those are things that we balance really, really well, but we understand that we have, 00:15:09.786 --> 00:15:12.046 really for the American athletes, we have three ti- 00:15:13.986 --> 00:15:15.986 It's at NCAAs, then it's again at Olympic 00:15:16.046 --> 00:15:21.045 trials, and then it's again at the Olympics. Or same for the Jamaican athletes, the same thing. 00:15:21.106 --> 00:15:27.046 We have some athletes who, um, they may not have to do an Olympic trials. Like we have one 00:15:27.066 --> 00:15:29.806 of the fastest females in the world from... 00:15:32.886 --> 00:15:33.266 qualified. 00:15:33.646 --> 00:15:34.196 So for us, 00:15:34.726 --> 00:15:39.086 their programs may look different. We may be able to slow cook them a little bit more because we have 00:15:39.106 --> 00:15:39.296 more 00:15:39.296 --> 00:15:45.936 time. Um, so it kinda depends. It's very individualized based on what they need to do, and really age is 00:15:45.986 --> 00:15:50.596 a huge thing in who they are and how we're gonna do it, but it's all about long-term development and 00:15:50.626 --> 00:15:56.196 long-term preparation for us. So we're looking, we're look-- our goal is the NCAA championships. That's what we're looking 00:15:56.206 --> 00:16:01.826 towards as well. But from the NCAA championships, how can we take that athlete and then get them going again 00:16:01.866 --> 00:16:04.106 one more time to get that last push toward the Olympics? 00:16:04.806 --> 00:16:07.366 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Cool. Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah. 00:16:07.486 --> 00:16:11.066 Um, one of the things that you've discussed with me in the past too, and what I've heard 00:16:11.086 --> 00:16:16.256 you speak about, and this is part of that integration. and stress is stress and, and the collaboration is, 00:16:16.286 --> 00:16:22.926 you spend a lot of time out on the track, right? Yes. Right. So how, as a strength and conditioning 00:16:22.946 --> 00:16:24.966 coach that's starting off, right, with just kind of in the 00:16:25.006 --> 00:16:28.986 weight room trying to sit back and learn and learn, is that a conversation of, "Hey, do you 00:16:29.026 --> 00:16:33.075 mind if I come out on the track?" Like, what's the progression of those conversations to how you got 00:16:33.106 --> 00:16:34.986 to this point now? Yeah. 00:16:35.066 --> 00:16:36.066 So I actually start-- 00:16:36.066 --> 00:16:42.286 It, it kind of worked out for me really easily with hoops because, uh, as you know, like most performance 00:16:42.326 --> 00:16:46.926 coaches are going to go to basketball practice. That's, that's just what it is. Um, I have, 00:16:47.186 --> 00:16:48.266 I had a track background, 00:16:48.886 --> 00:16:55.076 um, so going to basketball practices and learning, like, the basketball language and what was actually happening at 00:16:55.086 --> 00:16:59.746 practice was very eye-opening for me. Um, but the thing that also stood out to me was, like, the guys 00:16:59.766 --> 00:17:02.996 didn't move very well. And I was like, "That's one thing that I understood really, 00:17:03.026 --> 00:17:07.695 really well." Mm-hmm. So how can I, one, implement the things that I know into a system that's already really 00:17:07.826 --> 00:17:08.986 good and make 00:17:09.026 --> 00:17:13.786 that thing better? So I didn't try to run away from the things I knew. I kind of leaned into 00:17:13.846 --> 00:17:19.016 those things, um, to try to help kind of build my understanding of the sport. And then on this end, 00:17:19.106 --> 00:17:22.165 how do I get out to the track with my coaches? For me, 00:17:22.486 --> 00:17:22.986 it's more of 00:17:23.066 --> 00:17:24.106 a, "Let 00:17:24.146 --> 00:17:30.086 me learn from y'all. Let me continue to build my skill set. I'm here to help y'all. I can only 00:17:30.126 --> 00:17:31.046 be better if I'm learning 00:17:31.066 --> 00:17:31.906 from the best," right? 00:17:32.306 --> 00:17:34.206 So for me, I just wanna learn, 00:17:34.526 --> 00:17:34.916 and I would 00:17:35.006 --> 00:17:37.966 go, and I would shut my mouth, and I would sit there and watch 00:17:38.066 --> 00:17:39.346 and, um, 00:17:39.926 --> 00:17:45.946 start to ask questions as people feel more comfortable. Um, the athletes feel more vulnerable around you, 00:17:46.006 --> 00:17:49.356 and you're out there, and the coaches start to trust you a little bit more. Because once again, I don't 00:17:49.426 --> 00:17:54.456 have an agenda. I don't have to be here. But I'm here for your program because I care. Um, and 00:17:54.466 --> 00:17:55.056 then once those 00:17:55.066 --> 00:17:56.996 things happen, um, then things start 00:17:57.026 --> 00:18:04.046 to open up for sure. Right. And being able to handle such a large group of athletes and athletes that 00:18:04.066 --> 00:18:10.566 are competing in different events, how do you do that? How do you bucket your athletes? How do you individualize 00:18:10.626 --> 00:18:17.366 as much as you can when, when looking at this large number of individuals that you need to, uh, be 00:18:17.386 --> 00:18:19.846 able to train and monitor, and they're flowing, 00:18:20.026 --> 00:18:24.006 you know, from practice- Mm-hmm ... right into the weight room, and it's very fluid. H- how are you keeping 00:18:24.046 --> 00:18:28.206 track of all that? How are you bucketing your athletes to, to really make the most of their experience? 00:18:28.934 --> 00:18:35.004 Nice thing here is that, um, we have event coaches, right? So all the sprinters 00:18:35.014 --> 00:18:39.494 are trained by the same person. So that's really easy for me to understand what those stressors 00:18:40.034 --> 00:18:40.954 that have been placed on those 00:18:41.034 --> 00:18:43.074 athletes will have been, um, or will 00:18:43.194 --> 00:18:47.994 be. So for me, and the other great thing is I've been here for a long time with the same 00:18:48.054 --> 00:18:49.994 staff. Mm-hmm. So, you know, that first 00:18:50.054 --> 00:18:55.954 year, I understand what the stresses should look like on these athletes, but at the same time, we're all figuring 00:18:55.994 --> 00:18:59.974 it out together, right? It's a new crop of athletes for them. Um, they may be able to 00:19:00.014 --> 00:19:03.803 recruit a different type of athlete than they've been able to recruit before. Uh, now I have to see how 00:19:03.834 --> 00:19:07.964 the training will affect them with, hey, maybe we're lifting after, maybe we're lifting before. Those things 00:19:08.034 --> 00:19:09.034 might have been different in the past 00:19:09.074 --> 00:19:09.954 as well. So 00:19:10.094 --> 00:19:13.254 that first year, um, you're really taking in a bunch, 00:19:13.674 --> 00:19:16.194 um, you're doing everything you can from a science-based 00:19:16.474 --> 00:19:23.154 practice, but you're also rolling and learning. Like, it's, it's very developmental and very much a learning standpoint. Um, 00:19:23.214 --> 00:19:28.794 the great thing about how we're able to develop is I get everyone for the first two to three weeks 00:19:28.914 --> 00:19:30.304 before they do anything with their coaches. 00:19:30.954 --> 00:19:34.994 Um, and I have a big battery of tests that we do, and those tests will 00:19:35.034 --> 00:19:37.114 kind of let me know where my athletes sit 00:19:37.574 --> 00:19:39.434 in terms of how you're talking about bucketing. 00:19:39.914 --> 00:19:41.994 Um, so what do they need? What are they 00:19:42.014 --> 00:19:43.934 really, really good at? Um, and then 00:19:44.054 --> 00:19:48.034 what is kind of their superpower, are kind of the different ways that I look at it. 00:19:48.414 --> 00:19:52.144 And then from there, I can kind of plug and play based on their event groups and what they need 00:19:52.154 --> 00:19:57.064 to be able to do. Got it. So when they return to campus, really like you said, 00:19:57.094 --> 00:20:00.994 the first two to three weeks, track staff knows this, they're gonna be spending time with Clint' in the weight 00:20:01.034 --> 00:20:05.344 room and maybe on the track, um, doing, "Hey, here's our bucket of assessments 00:20:05.894 --> 00:20:09.994 that we're gonna throw at you, and this is just a, 'Hey, let's identify 00:20:10.004 --> 00:20:11.194 where you're at right now at this time, 00:20:11.874 --> 00:20:15.974 and then we're gonna create a plan and go.'" Is that right? Absolutely. Yeah. So we're, we're figuring out, 00:20:16.014 --> 00:20:19.074 one, where you're at at this time, but then for the freshmen or transfers, we're 00:20:19.094 --> 00:20:20.074 trying to figure out who you are as an 00:20:20.154 --> 00:20:24.854 athlete in general. Um, I have no idea who you are. You're off the street. Yes, you're fast. Sure. What's 00:20:24.894 --> 00:20:24.974 your 00:20:25.034 --> 00:20:25.794 vehicle to get there, 00:20:26.214 --> 00:20:29.174 right? Yeah. So we might have two athletes that run the exact same 00:20:29.214 --> 00:20:30.094 time. One 00:20:30.134 --> 00:20:34.234 might be really, really reflexive, and one might be really, really muscular based. 00:20:34.234 --> 00:20:39.213 Mm-hmm. Those things are gonna tell me different things about how I need to train them, right? Same demands, 00:20:39.514 --> 00:20:42.194 but they get there with the different vehicles. Like, that's what I call their superpower. 00:20:42.534 --> 00:20:44.014 Your superpower is very different than yours. 00:20:44.494 --> 00:20:46.003 Cool, now I know that, and we haven't done any 00:20:46.074 --> 00:20:48.134 sprints. Right? So for me, it's easy 00:20:48.174 --> 00:20:51.214 to get them in these set buckets 00:20:51.554 --> 00:20:53.064 and then see how the stressors 00:20:53.114 --> 00:20:55.194 affect them, and then at this point 00:20:55.274 --> 00:21:00.974 now, have a pretty big library to understand how to plug and play with them. Yeah. You mentioned assessments 00:21:01.014 --> 00:21:05.014 and having this battery. If you're willing to share, just for someone who's listening, like willing to share one 00:21:05.074 --> 00:21:07.994 out of your, your battery of assessments, what's one thing that you, you look 00:21:08.034 --> 00:21:10.074 at or everyone's gonna go through when they first get here? 00:21:10.854 --> 00:21:13.134 One thing we're... Well, I can go through all of them. Uh, 00:21:13.294 --> 00:21:15.034 one thing- As many as you're willing to share. 00:21:15.694 --> 00:21:20.054 One thing that most of my power athletes, I won't say all, most of my power athletes will do 00:21:20.094 --> 00:21:24.034 as soon as they get here, and that's a sprinter, that's a jumper, that's a hurdler, um, is we'll 00:21:24.074 --> 00:21:30.374 do some sort of jump assessment. Um, namely, we'll do Bosco jump in the weight room with myself. 00:21:30.734 --> 00:21:32.714 We'll also do some sort of, 00:21:32.814 --> 00:21:37.954 um, taking away degrees of freedom. We'll do some sort of jump assessment on, uh, 00:21:38.094 --> 00:21:40.054 the force decks as well. And then we're also gonna 00:21:40.094 --> 00:21:40.554 look at, 00:21:41.234 --> 00:21:43.934 um, strength levels and asymmetries 00:21:44.014 --> 00:21:49.314 from hamstring standpoint, from groin standpoint, from, uh, hip standpoint. 00:21:49.754 --> 00:21:51.574 We're looking at extension, we're looking at abduction. 00:21:52.114 --> 00:21:57.034 So those are things that we've been able to dial down and understand 00:21:57.114 --> 00:22:03.814 from a health standpoint, there's thresholds that we need to be able to maintain or be above just to be 00:22:03.834 --> 00:22:09.014 healthy and train in this program. And then from a performance standpoint, there might be some low-hanging fruit there 00:22:09.024 --> 00:22:13.084 for, hey, all of our high performers seem to be around here in these certain 00:22:13.154 --> 00:22:16.084 areas. So there's things that we need to strive for, but then also things 00:22:16.114 --> 00:22:17.274 that we need to, at the beginning 00:22:17.283 --> 00:22:19.994 of the year, we know we need to be here just to be healthy. So that's 00:22:20.034 --> 00:22:23.014 why I get everybody, because I can give the coaches a green light 00:22:23.054 --> 00:22:26.924 or a red light, "Hey, they're not ready for you yet. They're gonna stay with me for a little bit 00:22:26.954 --> 00:22:30.474 longer." Right. So I imagine 00:22:31.274 --> 00:22:33.134 coaches thinking about that situation, putting 00:22:33.414 --> 00:22:38.074 their, uh, themselves in your shoes right now, telling a track coach who's been itching to get his athletes back 00:22:38.074 --> 00:22:40.134 ... uh, or her athletes back 00:22:41.454 --> 00:22:44.014 all summer, and then all of a sudden, the strength and conditioning coach walks in and 00:22:44.054 --> 00:22:44.974 says, "Hey, 00:22:45.014 --> 00:22:49.994 this person's not ready." You know? So, so- For sure ... but because of the work that you've put in 00:22:50.073 --> 00:22:54.754 o- you know, over the amount of time that, that you've shared over the last nine years, you've gotten to 00:22:54.814 --> 00:22:59.034 this point now. You know, it didn't happen overnight. No, for sure. In year one and year two 00:22:59.054 --> 00:23:01.134 with the new staff, you're not, you're not saying those types of things 00:23:01.174 --> 00:23:04.854 necessarily. For sure. Yeah. But you've put in that work on the front end to get to a point now 00:23:04.874 --> 00:23:07.354 where there is that trust and there is that meaningful relationship, 00:23:07.794 --> 00:23:08.274 as we alluded 00:23:08.294 --> 00:23:08.994 to earlier. 00:23:10.114 --> 00:23:15.064 So aside from spending time out on the track, because I understand for strength and conditioning 00:23:15.094 --> 00:23:17.194 coaches, that is a very important thing, spend time in practice. 00:23:17.794 --> 00:23:19.834 Not just to learn, but that shows that you do care. 00:23:20.034 --> 00:23:25.034 Uh, I agree. Absolutely. And aside from being at a place that has had a lot of success historically, 00:23:25.874 --> 00:23:31.054 uh, how do you get buy-in from your athletes? How are... What are some additional methods or tools that 00:23:31.114 --> 00:23:31.194 you 00:23:31.354 --> 00:23:34.134 use to create buy-in, specifically 00:23:34.154 --> 00:23:39.094 in the weight room, for athletes that have been really, really fast their whole lives, and really haven't paid much 00:23:39.154 --> 00:23:43.054 attention in the weight room, and maybe are like, "I don't... Why do I need this if I've already been 00:23:43.074 --> 00:23:43.234 so 00:23:43.254 --> 00:23:46.794 good for my whole life?" Yeah. Um, how do you help them learn to train and make it, like, an 00:23:46.814 --> 00:23:51.064 enjoyable environment to create buy-in? I think, going back to what we talked about earlier, 00:23:51.474 --> 00:23:54.274 um, letting them understand that that's part of the development 00:23:54.314 --> 00:23:56.004 process, right? It's not, "Hey, 00:23:56.494 --> 00:23:58.054 track practice," then, "Oh yeah, also, we have to 00:23:58.074 --> 00:24:00.074 go to the weight room." Like, no, no, look 00:24:00.114 --> 00:24:03.834 at, these are the things that are really important for you to do the things that you're telling me you 00:24:03.874 --> 00:24:04.114 wanna 00:24:04.154 --> 00:24:05.974 do, right? The goals that you're saying 00:24:06.034 --> 00:24:09.074 you wanna do, this is how we can accomplish them, and it's not only 00:24:09.114 --> 00:24:09.754 done on the track, 00:24:10.114 --> 00:24:12.074 right? It's done when you're making good decisions 00:24:12.114 --> 00:24:15.794 outside of when you're with us. It's done when you're in the weight room. It's done when you're in the 00:24:15.814 --> 00:24:17.064 training room. It's done when you're with 00:24:17.094 --> 00:24:23.544 the dietician. Um, so letting them understand that it's all part of the process of them getting to where they're 00:24:23.574 --> 00:24:25.094 telling us they wanna 00:24:25.114 --> 00:24:25.974 be. So for 00:24:26.014 --> 00:24:28.074 me, I'm, I'm trying to figure out, "Hey, what 00:24:28.094 --> 00:24:32.014 do you wanna do?" Yeah. "Okay, that's great. You're telling me your goals. How are 00:24:32.054 --> 00:24:37.140 we gonna get there?" Mm-hmm. We can't get there by just runningOtherwise you would have done it already, 00:24:37.850 --> 00:24:43.610 right? So for us, it's, it's trying to make sure that they understand that everything is a part of the, 00:24:43.650 --> 00:24:44.270 the process. 00:24:46.370 --> 00:24:50.430 Right. I love what you just said there. I'm gonna write it down. Uh, otherwise, you would've done it already. 00:24:50.650 --> 00:24:50.980 Otherwise, 00:24:51.030 --> 00:24:55.070 you would've done it already. That's a great one. I should've just used that. There's too many times I 00:24:55.090 --> 00:24:57.970 talked way too much. Um, and I should've just said, "Otherwise, you wouldn't 00:24:58.010 --> 00:25:01.100 be here." Cool. 00:25:01.670 --> 00:25:06.010 Um, and I imagine what that does simultaneously is you're saying, "Hey, everything that we do here 00:25:06.030 --> 00:25:07.230 matters," so you're already 00:25:07.490 --> 00:25:09.110 now, um, 00:25:09.910 --> 00:25:14.910 creating by association, buy-in with nutrition, buy-in with sports science, buy-in with- Absolutely ... athletic training, just by 00:25:15.010 --> 00:25:16.150 simply saying, "Hey, everything 00:25:16.170 --> 00:25:16.710 here matters." 00:25:17.210 --> 00:25:22.950 Absolutely. Oh, that's fantastic. And I think, you know, we've talked about this from a track and field lens, 00:25:23.030 --> 00:25:26.110 but obviously you said you have some experience with some other sports. I mean, I know 00:25:26.370 --> 00:25:30.090 when we would try to chop it up or catch up with you, you'd say, "Hey, I, I'm getting ready 00:25:30.150 --> 00:25:31.190 to travel with women's golf 00:25:31.230 --> 00:25:32.020 to, to national 00:25:32.070 --> 00:25:36.080 championships" so- Yeah ... I want everyone to understand a- and appreciate that Clint's not just doing 00:25:36.110 --> 00:25:40.180 this with track and field, but this is the approach to all the teams that he's working with. Clint is 00:25:40.250 --> 00:25:44.770 on the road traveling with these teams and putting in, putting in the time that, you know, his teams deserve. 00:25:44.810 --> 00:25:46.920 And, you know, success is a, 00:25:47.070 --> 00:25:53.970 it's not a secret why. It's definitely been, it's been humbling being here. Um, and even taking, uh, taking a 00:25:53.990 --> 00:25:59.090 sport like women's golf that, to be honest, when I, when I found out I was taking over that program, 00:25:59.230 --> 00:26:00.010 I had no idea what 00:26:00.090 --> 00:26:01.060 I was doing. Um, 00:26:01.570 --> 00:26:03.190 so the first thing I did was 00:26:03.730 --> 00:26:05.030 get online and buy 00:26:05.070 --> 00:26:05.790 some golf lessons. 00:26:06.510 --> 00:26:09.050 Yeah. And I went, I went out to the course, I went out to the 00:26:09.090 --> 00:26:11.980 course. Uh, my, my teacher was, 00:26:12.010 --> 00:26:17.890 she was probably in her 70s, and she was awesome. Um, and she coached me up, and she found out 00:26:17.910 --> 00:26:23.390 what I did, and- ... uh, she definitely opened my eyes. 'Cause the way they golf is not how you 00:26:23.410 --> 00:26:24.010 and I golf, 00:26:24.050 --> 00:26:26.030 sir. No. So 00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:28.950 and their preparation is not how we go out and just swing the 00:26:29.010 --> 00:26:29.980 sticks. So I 00:26:30.010 --> 00:26:35.530 learned a ton, um, just by, same thing, you gotta be around it and you have to try to understand 00:26:35.590 --> 00:26:40.130 it other than just, "Hey, we can make athletes." Anybody can make athletes. That's great. 00:26:40.170 --> 00:26:42.030 How can you make them better at their sport, which is why 00:26:42.070 --> 00:26:47.240 they're here. I'm just laughing. My preparation is a sausage, egg, and cheese, 00:26:47.330 --> 00:26:49.030 a coffee. 100%. Um, 00:26:49.450 --> 00:26:53.090 I'm like, "Hey, you know, I'm gonna start swinging with my, with my irons today on the range," and then 00:26:53.170 --> 00:26:54.990 I grab my driver, like two swings later, I'm like, "All right, here we 00:26:55.030 --> 00:26:56.050 go." You know, 00:26:56.470 --> 00:26:57.010 the first time 00:26:57.210 --> 00:26:59.090 I sat in a, sat in a course 00:26:59.130 --> 00:27:02.260 management, um, like the night before a tournament, 00:27:02.570 --> 00:27:06.110 I was sitting in a course management meeting with the head coach and the players. 00:27:07.550 --> 00:27:10.980 The attention to detail, the details that actually matter, and the things 00:27:11.010 --> 00:27:11.839 they're thinking about, 00:27:12.510 --> 00:27:17.040 I was like, "Even if I don't get any better with my club, if I can think about 00:27:17.110 --> 00:27:19.059 some of these things, I think I'll play better 00:27:19.130 --> 00:27:26.170 golf." So it, I mean, it completely changed my mind, um, on what actually matters from 00:27:26.230 --> 00:27:27.970 my standpoint when I'm working with 00:27:28.130 --> 00:27:33.070 different athletes. For sure. I had the opportunity to work with golf at multiple universities too. 00:27:33.210 --> 00:27:36.950 It's been, I think, my favorite sport to work with. I mean, I was a baseball player growing up. So 00:27:36.950 --> 00:27:41.110 fun. And I played baseball, and I worked with baseball and, like, was around some pretty good baseball teams. 00:27:41.730 --> 00:27:45.190 Golf, I, I recommend to all coaches. If you have the opportunity to work with golf, 00:27:45.810 --> 00:27:46.290 absolutely 00:27:46.360 --> 00:27:51.950 take it. I've learned so much from working with golf that's poured in a lot of my other rotational qualities 00:27:52.010 --> 00:27:55.420 that I might be training with somebody else. So- Yeah ... no, it's, it's been really beneficial. 00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:59.190 Plus, their attention to detail with programming 00:27:59.710 --> 00:28:03.230 is awesome. For sure. And I don't know, if, if you are a coach that is still using 00:28:03.290 --> 00:28:07.390 sheets out there and, and that's what you do, fantastic. Your golfers will fill it in perfectly. 00:28:07.950 --> 00:28:08.480 100%. 00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:09.300 Yeah. 00:28:09.300 --> 00:28:14.970 100%. Like, they nail everything down, and it's clearly written, and you can understand all of it, so. For 00:28:15.070 --> 00:28:17.970 sure. Um- It was, uh, we really set it off when we got a track man in 00:28:18.010 --> 00:28:19.190 the weight room. Now, it's- 00:28:20.230 --> 00:28:21.100 Yeah ... we're, we're good to go now. 00:28:21.910 --> 00:28:22.980 So, all right. Question 00:28:23.070 --> 00:28:24.940 for you then. Um, having 00:28:25.010 --> 00:28:30.050 a track background, being around basketball, which is enticing for a strength and conditioning coach. I mean, a lot 00:28:30.090 --> 00:28:31.130 of times you're watching practice, 00:28:31.210 --> 00:28:34.950 thinking about- Yeah ... uh, oh, I could, you know, I could do that. I wanna go do that, 00:28:35.010 --> 00:28:36.010 or you wanna go play. 00:28:36.190 --> 00:28:39.150 Yeah. Uh, you have the itch. Uh, maybe you get a pair of shoes from the team, you wanna go 00:28:39.230 --> 00:28:41.090 use them. Uh- For sure ... and then being around golf 00:28:41.130 --> 00:28:44.090 too, and I know you've had some experience with swim and dive. 00:28:44.210 --> 00:28:47.170 Uh, which sport, while you're watching it out at practice, 00:28:47.590 --> 00:28:50.050 do you wanna be out there playing? Like, which one gives you the biggest 00:28:50.090 --> 00:28:51.010 itch of like, "I wanna get out 00:28:51.070 --> 00:28:56.030 there"? Definitely not track. I don't, I don't miss those practices at all. 00:28:56.910 --> 00:28:57.470 Um, 00:28:58.930 --> 00:29:04.170 to be honest, they're all so different in the way that the athletes are able to perform 00:29:04.190 --> 00:29:05.960 their tasks, and the different sports are all 00:29:06.090 --> 00:29:10.050 so admirable. I love watching them all. They're all so different in their own right, and I know that's a 00:29:10.090 --> 00:29:10.410 PC 00:29:10.470 --> 00:29:12.230 answer, but- ... they're all, 00:29:13.310 --> 00:29:18.010 they're all so fun to watch, which is, I mean, that's why we can do 00:29:18.070 --> 00:29:18.940 these things that we do, 00:29:19.130 --> 00:29:20.050 right? Working with 00:29:20.110 --> 00:29:26.170 hoops was, it's great. I'm super young, I'm still athletic, I'm that guy, I'm bouncy, I'm fast. 00:29:26.730 --> 00:29:29.250 Yeah. I'm watching these guys get up and down the court and dunk 00:29:29.290 --> 00:29:32.050 and shoot and make threes with their eyes shut, and I was like, "I could 00:29:32.130 --> 00:29:32.830 never do that. 00:29:33.210 --> 00:29:37.150 This is fun." Mm-hmm. Oh, now I'm thinking, "Oh, I can make you better, and I can't do that thing? 00:29:37.870 --> 00:29:37.990 This 00:29:38.050 --> 00:29:40.010 is cool. Mm, this 00:29:40.070 --> 00:29:46.070 is fun." So I think, um, for me, it was probably men's basketball, 'cause what they're doing is just 00:29:46.510 --> 00:29:50.250 ridiculous. What they're able to do is absolutely ridiculous. 00:29:51.930 --> 00:29:55.020 I mean, when we had some conditioning sessions, I would be demonstrating, "Hey, this 00:29:55.030 --> 00:29:58.470 is what we're gonna do. We're gonna run here, and, you know, down and back." And four strides for one 00:29:58.530 --> 00:30:03.730 guy is like 20 for me. Yeah. I don't think people understand. If you haven't been around them, I don't 00:30:03.750 --> 00:30:05.070 think they understand how big these guys 00:30:05.150 --> 00:30:06.990 actually are. It's unbelievable. 00:30:07.170 --> 00:30:09.110 They're massive. Just the, the strides down 00:30:09.150 --> 00:30:09.610 the court. 00:30:10.290 --> 00:30:13.950 Oh, yeah. And I, you know, I explain everything. You have your tough face on. You're like, 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:16.790 "All right," like blow the whistle. Right when you blow the whistle, first rep starts, I bend over, I'm like, 00:30:16.840 --> 00:30:19.270 "Oh, my God." Yeah. "I need some water." 00:30:19.870 --> 00:30:23.650 You think you're good at basketball until you got a seven-footer with his hand in your face. 00:30:24.370 --> 00:30:24.790 Yeah. 00:30:25.970 --> 00:30:29.030 Uh, well, I appreciate everything you've shared thus far, and obviously, you know, your 00:30:29.050 --> 00:30:34.030 attention to detail is clearly reflected in, you know, the success of your teams and what you've been 00:30:34.050 --> 00:30:35.170 able to achieve over the years. 00:30:35.730 --> 00:30:38.030 Like we said, not just track and field, but the other sports as well that you've been 00:30:38.050 --> 00:30:40.090 working with. I wanna shift gears a little 00:30:40.130 --> 00:30:46.270 bit and ask about some of the things that you're doing outside of your full-time coaching position.Uh, you mentioned earlier, 00:30:46.390 --> 00:30:48.230 you know, you're doing a little bit of consulting work overseas. 00:30:48.750 --> 00:30:48.970 From what 00:30:49.030 --> 00:30:50.970 I see and hear, it's becoming more and 00:30:51.010 --> 00:30:55.500 more common practice for strength and conditioning coaches to venture into the world of entrepreneurship 00:30:56.330 --> 00:30:59.100 and leverage their education, their certifications, and coaching 00:30:59.190 --> 00:31:06.140 experiences, and leveraging those to maybe add some additional income. A side hustle- Yeah ... so to speak. 00:31:06.670 --> 00:31:08.970 So what other opportunities have you been able to create for 00:31:09.010 --> 00:31:11.190 yourself? I think 00:31:11.790 --> 00:31:13.190 part of it has 00:31:13.230 --> 00:31:17.130 been... Like, I've, I consult, I work with professional athletes. 00:31:17.730 --> 00:31:21.010 Um, I've, I've done a lot of consulting over the last five 00:31:21.030 --> 00:31:26.950 or six years, and I think part of that has happened because I stopped looking at myself as a strength 00:31:26.970 --> 00:31:30.310 and conditioning coach. When I looked at it as a performance 00:31:30.370 --> 00:31:32.010 coach, that opened up the 00:31:32.070 --> 00:31:35.050 world, 'cause when you're thinking of strength and conditioning, you're thinking about things that you can 00:31:35.070 --> 00:31:37.290 do in the weight room, and, like, how can we make you stronger? 00:31:37.830 --> 00:31:45.050 But there's so many things that are attached to human performance, and how we can make better athletes that aren't 00:31:45.110 --> 00:31:46.050 just tied into 00:31:46.510 --> 00:31:49.050 the X's and O's of concentric, eccentric, 00:31:49.129 --> 00:31:50.890 isometric, but actually 00:31:51.010 --> 00:31:53.450 just skill acquisition and movement. 00:31:53.870 --> 00:31:54.130 And 00:31:54.490 --> 00:32:02.050 whether it's, uh, thought processes or, uh, nutritional abilities, like, there's so many different pieces to the puzzle that we 00:32:02.090 --> 00:32:07.050 can get kinda hemmed in when we only think of ourselves as the strength and conditioning coach. 00:32:07.430 --> 00:32:11.390 So when I took a step back and I thought about athletic performance or human performance, 00:32:11.470 --> 00:32:14.040 I think that opened a ton of doors for me. And consulting 00:32:14.070 --> 00:32:18.050 is great because what are you doing? What, what is consulting? It can be whatever 00:32:18.070 --> 00:32:21.570 you want it to be. And that's, that's the great thing. If you have the experience for it, you can 00:32:21.650 --> 00:32:24.090 really do it in a bunch of different domains, and you don't have to 00:32:24.470 --> 00:32:25.230 silo yourself. 00:32:26.350 --> 00:32:26.580 Mm-hmm. 00:32:26.930 --> 00:32:30.060 When did you... You know, what was that, what was that feeling like when you're like, "Hey, I think I'm 00:32:30.070 --> 00:32:34.010 gonna try to do some consulting work"? Maybe you realized that it, you know, halfway 00:32:34.030 --> 00:32:34.990 through that you're actually doing 00:32:35.050 --> 00:32:39.350 it at the time. Yeah. But what was that like for a coach? When did you start to gain some 00:32:39.410 --> 00:32:44.030 confidence, and like, "Okay, I'm not just Coach Clint Martin in B2 in the weight 00:32:44.070 --> 00:32:48.090 room, but- Mm-hmm ... Clint Martin outside- Mm-hmm ... of these walls, and this is my experience." 00:32:48.130 --> 00:32:52.090 Like, when did you start to gain some confidence behind what you were doing? 'Cause I imagine early on 00:32:52.130 --> 00:32:56.010 it's kind of like, "Ah, this is new to me, and- For sure ... should I 00:32:56.050 --> 00:32:57.850 feel, should I feel guilty about this?" 00:32:58.090 --> 00:32:59.130 Mm-hmm. Like, what would you say 00:32:59.140 --> 00:33:02.090 to that? I'd say I gained confidence 00:33:02.530 --> 00:33:08.270 kinda how we do as coaches when we're first kinda just thrust into it. Um, the first kinda opportunities 00:33:08.450 --> 00:33:14.030 I had really weren't things that I chased after. They were opportunities that I'm like, "Wow, I really need to 00:33:14.050 --> 00:33:15.030 do that if this is an 00:33:15.090 --> 00:33:17.990 opportunity." Mm-hmm. Um, and the first time I was consulting 00:33:18.030 --> 00:33:22.090 overseas, uh, the first day they sent me an itinerary of things I was going to be doing. 00:33:22.130 --> 00:33:23.170 I was meeting with some coaches, 00:33:23.490 --> 00:33:24.270 coaching coaches, 00:33:24.690 --> 00:33:27.650 working with physios, um, working with ATs. 00:33:28.210 --> 00:33:28.590 Um, 00:33:29.070 --> 00:33:31.130 and I got off the plane, and I was overseas, 00:33:31.810 --> 00:33:35.350 and it's 6:30 AM when I get off the plane. I drop my ho- they get me to the hotel, 00:33:35.630 --> 00:33:37.110 drop my stuff off, I get to the office at 00:33:37.170 --> 00:33:37.410 8:00 AM. 00:33:38.010 --> 00:33:40.070 And next thing I know, I am in a room 00:33:40.090 --> 00:33:43.010 with 50 people, and most of them don't speak English, 00:33:43.550 --> 00:33:44.030 and 00:33:44.770 --> 00:33:46.170 I was lecturing for I think six 00:33:46.210 --> 00:33:50.110 hours straight. And that was just... I wasn't expecting 00:33:50.170 --> 00:33:54.050 any of that, but they brought me here because they thought I had a skill set that I could, 00:33:54.210 --> 00:33:55.370 that they, that they could leverage. 00:33:55.890 --> 00:33:56.970 And for me, it was one 00:33:57.010 --> 00:33:59.070 of those things, "Well, well, we're here now. 00:33:59.530 --> 00:34:01.090 This is what I know. This is what I can help 00:34:01.130 --> 00:34:02.410 you do." And 00:34:03.130 --> 00:34:06.970 I was able to kind of continue to do that thing because I realized 00:34:07.110 --> 00:34:11.770 I do have a skill set, and we do have skill sets, and they're not necessarily... It might not be 00:34:11.810 --> 00:34:14.090 the people we think need to have them or need to 00:34:14.110 --> 00:34:16.280 hear them that we actually- Mm-hmm ... need to get those messages 00:34:16.350 --> 00:34:16.989 to. That's 00:34:17.030 --> 00:34:19.110 actually why I started, well, doing more 00:34:19.370 --> 00:34:23.650 speaking here. I never really wanted to do speaking or podcasts 00:34:23.770 --> 00:34:24.989 or anything like 00:34:25.050 --> 00:34:27.530 that. Um, and then Brett Bartholomew, 00:34:27.850 --> 00:34:30.090 I got to know him really well, and he called- Mm-hmm ... me out one 00:34:30.130 --> 00:34:32.230 day, and he said, "Hey, you're gonna be on my podcast." 00:34:32.230 --> 00:34:35.139 I said, "What do you mean? I didn't- ... I don't wanna be on 00:34:35.170 --> 00:34:38.629 your pod-" He goes, "You don't have a ch- you don't have a choice. You're gonna be on my podcast. 00:34:38.730 --> 00:34:42.070 You have stuff that people need to hear, and you need to say 00:34:42.130 --> 00:34:46.210 it." And that was one of the best things I've done, 00:34:46.730 --> 00:34:50.949 um, 'cause you can put skin in the game. We're, we're professionals. We've been doing these things for a 00:34:51.030 --> 00:34:51.969 long time, and we, we 00:34:52.010 --> 00:34:58.130 have a skill set. And I think as athletic performance coaches, we don't give ourself enough credit from that standpoint, 00:34:58.570 --> 00:35:00.050 and we, we sit in the weight room, and 00:35:00.490 --> 00:35:07.350 that's kinda what we do, whereas we, we're not forward-facing, uh, outside of our coaches and our ATs. 00:35:07.390 --> 00:35:11.030 But I think that's something we need to stop doing and stop being quiet on. 00:35:12.650 --> 00:35:13.150 Absolutely, 00:35:13.350 --> 00:35:18.050 and, you know, for those who haven't had the opportunity, and you really should, uh, listen to, 00:35:18.070 --> 00:35:21.060 if you haven't had the opportunity to listen to Brett Bartholomew's podcast, 00:35:21.110 --> 00:35:25.250 Art of Coaching, um, just fantastic podcast, highly recommend 00:35:25.290 --> 00:35:28.890 it. Um, that's awesome to see that he challenged you in that way, and, you know, obviously we've had you 00:35:28.910 --> 00:35:30.030 on multiple times and have you on 00:35:30.090 --> 00:35:34.110 again today because you're right, you do have things to say that, that we really enjoy. 00:35:34.350 --> 00:35:37.070 And that kind of leans into the 00:35:37.650 --> 00:35:37.970 term that 00:35:38.030 --> 00:35:41.030 I used earlier, which is this modern-day strength and conditioning coach, 'cause I agree with 00:35:41.070 --> 00:35:45.370 you, uh, absolutely, that I think we do have education, we do have experiences 00:35:45.450 --> 00:35:45.690 that, 00:35:46.350 --> 00:35:51.070 um, you can go out and coach people and be a useful resource and, 00:35:51.420 --> 00:35:54.790 and help people, and be compensated for it at the same time. 00:35:55.010 --> 00:35:58.190 For sure. And, and we're- There's nothing, there's nothing wrong 00:35:58.230 --> 00:36:01.190 with that. And that's, that's not wrong anywhere but in our space, 00:36:01.250 --> 00:36:01.700 it seems. 00:36:02.270 --> 00:36:03.900 And in fact, chasing 00:36:04.050 --> 00:36:07.070 opportunities that will compensate 00:36:07.110 --> 00:36:12.030 you for helping people will probably provide you with the opportunity to help more 00:36:12.050 --> 00:36:13.270 people. Absolutely. 00:36:14.670 --> 00:36:14.910 So, 00:36:15.350 --> 00:36:15.550 um, 00:36:15.990 --> 00:36:19.030 you know, that's awesome, and, and congrats on, you know, like I said, congrats 00:36:19.050 --> 00:36:21.170 on the success you had so far. Obviously looking forward 00:36:21.210 --> 00:36:26.970 to, you know, what will become of Coach Clint over the years of, of coaching and, and the continued success 00:36:27.030 --> 00:36:31.150 that you will have. Any thoughts about the impact 00:36:32.330 --> 00:36:32.990 that training 00:36:33.030 --> 00:36:34.970 gen pop or- Mm ... private sector 00:36:35.010 --> 00:36:38.050 clientele has had on you as a person and coach? 00:36:40.010 --> 00:36:40.830 It's interesting. 00:36:41.090 --> 00:36:45.230 Um, we'll start with the gen pop question. I haven't really 00:36:45.590 --> 00:36:45.990 worked 00:36:46.410 --> 00:36:48.190 gen pop, or I hadn't really worked 00:36:48.250 --> 00:36:48.730 gen pop 00:36:49.130 --> 00:36:49.990 until COVID 00:36:50.510 --> 00:36:53.010 happened, 'cause I wound up with more time on my hands, 00:36:53.590 --> 00:36:56.930 um-So, 'cause when I started, I started my own coaching company at 00:36:57.090 --> 00:37:00.290 22, and I was working with high school level, 00:37:00.690 --> 00:37:03.430 professional level, college level. It's always been in athletics. 00:37:03.890 --> 00:37:05.090 But I started working with some 00:37:05.110 --> 00:37:05.710 gen pop 00:37:06.050 --> 00:37:13.110 clients just for fun, or most of them were people that I knew, um, and, or retired athletes, whatever 00:37:13.150 --> 00:37:14.190 you wanna call them. 00:37:14.310 --> 00:37:18.090 And next thing you know, like, you're really making a difference in 00:37:18.110 --> 00:37:20.130 people's lives. And that's my 00:37:20.190 --> 00:37:20.990 wife, um, 00:37:21.130 --> 00:37:28.090 she, she's a professional. She works in HR, but she also, she has a degree in kinesiology, and she's 00:37:28.130 --> 00:37:33.110 been a trainer for a decade as well, and she does it with gen pop specifically. 00:37:33.130 --> 00:37:35.950 So every now and then I'll go to a class with her, um, or 00:37:36.010 --> 00:37:36.710 something like that, 00:37:37.250 --> 00:37:41.040 and she doesn't need to do it. She does it because she loves it so much, 00:37:41.110 --> 00:37:46.090 and she'll come in and tell me stories about her classes, and she gets up early. And I'm like, 00:37:46.100 --> 00:37:49.120 "You don't have to do that anymore," but she's like, "No, I love it so much." 00:37:49.650 --> 00:37:50.980 And then once I started doing it, I 00:37:51.010 --> 00:37:57.200 understood because for us, getting up and going to work out and being healthy is something 00:37:57.350 --> 00:38:01.500 we know, something we do. Mm-hmm. When somebody takes on that challenge, 00:38:02.050 --> 00:38:03.010 that can really change 00:38:03.050 --> 00:38:08.150 someone's life. Mm-hmm. So I think that that's a really cool piece that is added into a lot of people's 00:38:08.190 --> 00:38:09.990 lives that I don't think I'm too 00:38:10.010 --> 00:38:13.210 good enough for. Um, so I think if you can make anyone's life 00:38:13.270 --> 00:38:15.170 better, especially through health and movement, 00:38:16.330 --> 00:38:17.020 what better way to do 00:38:17.050 --> 00:38:17.130 it? 00:38:18.430 --> 00:38:18.970 But then from a- 00:38:18.970 --> 00:38:23.170 Yeah, I- Go ahead. Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, I, when I was at UT doing my GA 00:38:23.210 --> 00:38:23.970 there, I, I 00:38:24.050 --> 00:38:29.090 TA'd for, uh, kinesiology, and we had a one-credit course. I taught probably three or four 00:38:29.130 --> 00:38:33.010 of them, and I taught undergrads. And a lot of times at UT, I think, to get to 00:38:33.070 --> 00:38:34.250 full-time you need 12 credits 00:38:34.310 --> 00:38:34.570 maybe, 00:38:35.190 --> 00:38:39.310 um, and it was 11 credits that a lot of engineering students had, so they kind of forced engineering 00:38:39.410 --> 00:38:41.130 students to have one more credit, 00:38:41.710 --> 00:38:41.970 uh, for 00:38:42.030 --> 00:38:46.150 a class. So I taught circuit aerobics, I taught weight training, um, 00:38:46.210 --> 00:38:50.660 all at the rec center, and I'd have, like, 25 students in a class, and kids that have never sniffed 00:38:50.670 --> 00:38:50.990 the weight room 00:38:51.010 --> 00:38:51.650 in their lives. 00:38:52.470 --> 00:38:56.220 Um, and I gotta say, like, those were some of the most rewarding experience I've had coaching. 00:38:56.790 --> 00:39:03.030 Mm-hmm. For sure. When you see that, ah, this is something I could and I should 00:39:03.050 --> 00:39:05.340 and I would love to do, those moments, 00:39:05.370 --> 00:39:09.480 those are pretty cool. Um, like, my wife came in last week, and she's like, "I had somebody at my 00:39:09.490 --> 00:39:14.000 class today who it was their first time ever being around weights," and, like, those are the best days, and 00:39:14.170 --> 00:39:17.130 I get it. I get it now. I didn't for a while, but I, I do understand 00:39:17.210 --> 00:39:17.790 now and I get it. 00:39:19.250 --> 00:39:24.190 Yeah. I, I recall a lot of those students, and it, it, it made me a better coach, 00:39:24.730 --> 00:39:24.980 uh, with 00:39:25.050 --> 00:39:26.010 athletes, you 00:39:26.030 --> 00:39:30.810 know, that were working in, uh, in college. Because if I could get an engineer who's never seen the weight 00:39:30.850 --> 00:39:34.810 room in their life to squat pretty well, like, I should be able to get- 100% ... I should be 00:39:34.850 --> 00:39:36.290 able to get a really high level 00:39:36.970 --> 00:39:38.010 athlete- 100% ... to squat 00:39:38.070 --> 00:39:43.570 really well. It's, it's, it's a new challenge. Um, and that even goes back to, like, the consulting piece, like, 00:39:43.710 --> 00:39:44.310 putting myself 00:39:44.390 --> 00:39:46.010 out there, um, getting some skin 00:39:46.030 --> 00:39:51.030 in the game. Do I think it's harder to coach a room full of 18-year-olds who's been training for 00:39:51.070 --> 00:39:52.990 most of their life or going to a 00:39:53.030 --> 00:39:57.120 foreign country where most people don't speak my language and try to get them to understand how 00:39:57.150 --> 00:39:58.230 we train athletes in the US? 00:39:58.230 --> 00:40:03.050 Mm. That's considerably more challenging than my job day to day, so that made me grow 00:40:03.090 --> 00:40:04.090 as a coach as well. So 00:40:04.110 --> 00:40:05.970 gen pop absolutely will make 00:40:06.010 --> 00:40:06.670 you a better coach. 00:40:07.070 --> 00:40:11.330 You know, everybody's had those 18-year-olds who come in the weight room, they're just wide-eyed. 00:40:11.670 --> 00:40:12.020 You know it's 00:40:12.050 --> 00:40:15.990 gonna be a process. Mm-hmm. Now, you become a better coach when you can get that person 00:40:16.010 --> 00:40:19.990 from A to B. Um, so same thing from a gen pop standpoint. If someone's not 00:40:20.030 --> 00:40:22.050 well-versed, um, in any of those 00:40:22.110 --> 00:40:24.130 health settings, that will make you a better 00:40:24.290 --> 00:40:26.110 coach and potentially person, 00:40:26.250 --> 00:40:28.010 so makes sense to me if you have 00:40:28.050 --> 00:40:30.310 that opportunity. Yeah, absolutely. 00:40:30.370 --> 00:40:35.930 Thank you. And you shared some content on your social, and just so everyone knows, Instagram @clintmarr10, 00:40:36.930 --> 00:40:41.470 uh, and we shared it on our Kaja Community. But you returned to the Rogue Invitational- 00:40:41.470 --> 00:40:46.010 Yeah ... uh, this year for another date with the Dinnie Stones. So- So how did this year go for 00:40:46.130 --> 00:40:47.030 you relative to last 00:40:47.050 --> 00:40:52.190 year's performance? It was interesting in the fact that I, 00:40:52.330 --> 00:40:56.970 I had, I have some data now from the year prior, right? Going in the first year, I had 00:40:57.090 --> 00:41:01.480 no idea what was going on. I was, I was training for it, but, and you don't have an opportunity 00:41:01.490 --> 00:41:03.150 to pull the Dinnies. You just, when they're 00:41:03.220 --> 00:41:06.950 there, that's your one opportunity. You won't see them again until you either go to Scotland or 00:41:07.070 --> 00:41:07.170 they 00:41:07.190 --> 00:41:09.110 bring them to you. Um, so 00:41:09.870 --> 00:41:10.170 it was 00:41:10.230 --> 00:41:13.030 definitely, it was definitely considerably 00:41:13.090 --> 00:41:14.980 better. I think I held the, held the 00:41:15.030 --> 00:41:17.030 stones two and a half times longer than I held 00:41:17.050 --> 00:41:22.330 them the first year. Um, first year I was just so exhilarated from the whole experience. 00:41:22.700 --> 00:41:23.350 Uh-huh. This time 00:41:23.710 --> 00:41:24.030 I, 00:41:24.030 --> 00:41:28.320 I, as soon as the stones slipped out of my hands, I was like, "I wanna go again. I think 00:41:28.410 --> 00:41:33.000 I got more." Um, so it's, it's definitely made me pretty hungry. Um, and the training's been, 00:41:33.650 --> 00:41:36.040 it's been awesome to have something to train for again as well, so that's 00:41:36.090 --> 00:41:37.070 been, it's been really 00:41:37.110 --> 00:41:40.070 fun for me. With a year of experience under 00:41:40.110 --> 00:41:41.010 your belt- Mm-hmm ... 00:41:41.010 --> 00:41:43.070 how did your training change 00:41:43.090 --> 00:41:49.590 compared to last year? It changed consid- I gave myself more time this time. So the first time, same thing 00:41:49.630 --> 00:41:52.990 kinda happened. I was kinda thrown into it. "Hey, you're doing the Dinnie Stones in five weeks." You 00:41:53.010 --> 00:41:54.090 say, "What now?" Okay. 00:41:54.220 --> 00:41:56.010 So that, that's how it happened the first 00:41:56.070 --> 00:41:59.940 time. This year it was more like a, "Hey, uh, you know that thing you let me do last year? 00:42:00.010 --> 00:42:00.110 Can 00:42:00.310 --> 00:42:02.070 I, can I... Okay, we can go again? Cool." 00:42:02.490 --> 00:42:04.190 So I took a 16-week runway 00:42:04.230 --> 00:42:07.130 this time, um, and actually had a, like, a four-month 00:42:07.190 --> 00:42:11.030 prep for it, which 00:42:11.050 --> 00:42:16.510 was great. Um, knowing what, what my limitations were the prior year definitely helped me kinda hone some of those 00:42:16.530 --> 00:42:20.980 things and figure out where I need to spend some more of my effort. Um, it's crazy. I'm 33 years 00:42:21.050 --> 00:42:23.910 old. Um, used to do athletics at a high 00:42:24.030 --> 00:42:28.070 clip. Strongest I'd ever been was this year going into the Dinnie Stones. Wow. So that 00:42:28.090 --> 00:42:30.160 was, that was pretty cool for me, 'cause those were things 00:42:30.210 --> 00:42:34.010 that, I mean, I've had injuries, I've had all types of crazy things, and I never thought I'd get back 00:42:34.050 --> 00:42:35.990 there. Um, couple weeks out leading 00:42:36.070 --> 00:42:39.750 up I'm like, "Oof, we might be able to get some things done this year." So that was, that was 00:42:39.850 --> 00:42:40.110 fun. 00:42:40.250 --> 00:42:43.000 And had a lot of help. Um, had a lot of help with training and 00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:45.030 a lot of support, which is really cool. Last year I kept 00:42:45.070 --> 00:42:46.970 it pretty quiet, 'cause you never know how it's gonna 00:42:47.030 --> 00:42:48.050 go. Uh, but this 00:42:48.110 --> 00:42:52.030 year- Yeah, yeah. ... had a lot of support, and that was, that was really fun, so it 00:42:52.070 --> 00:42:52.150 was 00:42:52.170 --> 00:42:55.170 really cool. Yeah. Not being able to pull them, and like no one ever knew you did that 00:42:55.330 --> 00:42:57.110 this year. Yeah. Like, my first time I ever tried. 00:42:57.670 --> 00:42:58.030 Catch my head, 00:42:58.110 --> 00:42:58.990 walk away, it's all good. 00:43:00.322 --> 00:43:06.702 Um, well if you can kind of place yourself back into that moment of this year, can you describe that 00:43:06.742 --> 00:43:13.842 experience of having all those spectators around you, uh, Dr. Jan Todd, and all these strongmen that you see on 00:43:13.882 --> 00:43:16.102 TV around you- Yeah ... watching you, cheering you on. 00:43:16.122 --> 00:43:16.922 What, what was that like? 00:43:18.482 --> 00:43:21.242 It's, it's humbling to say the least. 00:43:21.662 --> 00:43:23.002 Um, I mean, some of the 00:43:23.722 --> 00:43:26.882 strongest people in the world. When I say some of, I mean the 00:43:27.002 --> 00:43:31.082 strongest men- Yeah ... in the world, and women. There's a couple females there that are 00:43:31.662 --> 00:43:32.642 just unbelievable. 00:43:33.262 --> 00:43:33.742 Um, 00:43:34.722 --> 00:43:37.182 the World's Strongest Man currently from last year, he's 00:43:37.242 --> 00:43:41.002 there. Um, so that in and of itself is just an amazing 00:43:41.062 --> 00:43:42.022 environment. And 00:43:42.062 --> 00:43:48.982 watching them prepare, um, in the ready room and during warmups, it's unlike anything I'd ever seen. And then even 00:43:49.082 --> 00:43:52.082 still, like I've been around strength for a long time, the first time I went to 00:43:52.122 --> 00:43:56.042 the Rogue Games, I'm like, I felt like a, like a neophyte. I was like, 00:43:56.082 --> 00:43:58.042 "I have, I have no idea what's going on. I'm a strength 00:43:58.062 --> 00:43:58.982 coach and I'm, 'Hey, 00:43:59.022 --> 00:44:01.972 hey, come clip this, come do this, come...' All the bars are different." I'm 00:44:02.002 --> 00:44:03.972 like, "This is so different than what I'm 00:44:04.042 --> 00:44:04.442 used to." 00:44:05.002 --> 00:44:07.342 Yeah. Um, so it's, it's definitely 00:44:07.382 --> 00:44:10.242 humbling. Uh, it's really cool to be in, in their presence 00:44:10.302 --> 00:44:12.112 for sure. Uh, the fans, 00:44:12.462 --> 00:44:16.242 like having fans and cameras and all those things, like it's been a while 00:44:16.562 --> 00:44:17.162 since I've been around 00:44:17.222 --> 00:44:17.582 that. So 00:44:18.262 --> 00:44:23.222 to, to be able to do those things again, it's, it's just an awesome experience. Um, if, if you haven't 00:44:23.302 --> 00:44:24.082 had a chance to get out 00:44:24.122 --> 00:44:28.832 to any of the Rogue events, absolutely, if they come to your area, make, make the trip. They're... It, it's 00:44:28.922 --> 00:44:36.722 unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable. Incredible. That's so awesome. So I watched the video a few times and I actually heard, uh, 00:44:36.762 --> 00:44:42.182 through somebody that you said you went with the wrong hand. I did. I switched. I trained a little different 00:44:42.222 --> 00:44:43.022 and then I got 00:44:43.082 --> 00:44:45.062 up there, um, and I pulled 00:44:45.122 --> 00:44:49.382 my, I pulled a little bit heavier than weight in my warmups, 00:44:50.002 --> 00:44:52.012 um, and I did it goofy handed. And I didn't realize 00:44:52.042 --> 00:44:56.201 at the time, but it felt so good that I was like, "Well, I'm gonna do it again." 00:44:58.102 --> 00:44:59.892 It felt, it felt good. It's how I warmed up. And I was like, "We're, 00:45:00.052 --> 00:45:02.002 we're gonna see." A- and then I wound up doing it considerably 00:45:02.042 --> 00:45:03.082 longer. Um, 00:45:03.262 --> 00:45:09.262 so, um, um, that's why I really, I really wanna do it again and get another opportunity next year. And 00:45:09.302 --> 00:45:10.042 Dr. Todd is 00:45:10.061 --> 00:45:11.182 awesome. Mm-hmm. 00:45:11.182 --> 00:45:13.242 Um, she came, she came to the weight room, 00:45:13.762 --> 00:45:16.052 I wanna say it was my last pull day, so I might've 00:45:16.082 --> 00:45:21.922 been like six days out. It was my last pretty... No, I was probably 10 days out. My last really 00:45:22.002 --> 00:45:23.992 heavy pull day. Um, and 00:45:24.082 --> 00:45:28.382 I had my headphones on. I'm locked in. And I look up, and she's sitting there smiling. 00:45:28.402 --> 00:45:31.882 And I said, "Oh, hey, Dr. Todd, how are you?" She's like, "I'm great. I'd really love to see you 00:45:31.922 --> 00:45:32.042 pull 00:45:32.082 --> 00:45:35.002 this before I leave." I'm like, "Oh, no pressure now." 00:45:36.722 --> 00:45:36.982 Uh, 00:45:37.162 --> 00:45:42.022 so no, having her has been awesome, and what I've learned from her and her support has 00:45:42.062 --> 00:45:44.122 been just- Mm-hmm ... unmeasured. 00:45:44.202 --> 00:45:46.982 It's awesome. Right. That sounds something... It sounds like something 00:45:47.042 --> 00:45:49.042 she'd say. "I'd really love 00:45:49.062 --> 00:45:49.942 to see you pull this." 00:45:50.642 --> 00:45:52.442 Yeah. Me too. 00:45:54.062 --> 00:45:54.172 Um, 00:45:54.582 --> 00:45:55.042 so what 00:45:55.062 --> 00:45:59.082 was your time this year? Ish. I wanna say 14 00:45:59.122 --> 00:45:59.432 seconds. 00:46:00.342 --> 00:46:03.122 Mm-hmm. I wanna say around 14 seconds, and last 00:46:03.142 --> 00:46:09.982 year I think it was six. Official prediction for next year. Oh, I'm going 25 plus for sure. 00:46:10.082 --> 00:46:13.851 I haven't hook gripped yet. Everybody hook grips, and they all told me, "When you go... You didn't hook grip 00:46:13.922 --> 00:46:14.082 that? 00:46:14.462 --> 00:46:15.022 No. If 00:46:15.062 --> 00:46:19.642 you hook grip, you're going you're going 20 plus, maybe 40." I was like, "20 or 40 sounds great to 00:46:19.682 --> 00:46:23.002 me, whatever you wanna do." So we're gonna, we're gonna hook grip it next year. We're getting 00:46:23.062 --> 00:46:25.982 after it. 25-plus seconds. I 00:46:26.002 --> 00:46:26.622 got it written down. 00:46:27.312 --> 00:46:29.042 You got it written down. Just get in the game, 00:46:29.082 --> 00:46:32.082 brother. I'm here for you. Um, 00:46:32.422 --> 00:46:33.062 all right. So Clint, 00:46:33.942 --> 00:46:36.102 tell us, what is life like for you outside 00:46:36.122 --> 00:46:43.082 of coaching? Um, on a casual weekend day, what are some of the things that you do to enjoy Austin? 00:46:43.162 --> 00:46:44.002 Well, Austin, 00:46:44.042 --> 00:46:48.442 Texas, is like, if you haven't been here, all right, before you go to a Rogue event, go to Austin, 00:46:48.482 --> 00:46:52.982 Texas. Um, Austin is unbelievable. I know you enjoyed your time down 00:46:53.002 --> 00:46:54.162 here. Um, 00:46:55.082 --> 00:46:55.102 I 00:46:55.162 --> 00:47:00.691 love music. I love music. So the amount of concerts my wife and I go to are, it's kind of 00:47:00.702 --> 00:47:06.002 ridiculous, but we got some plugs. Um, so we go to a lot of concerts. I'm a big foodie. 00:47:06.042 --> 00:47:08.982 We eat a lot of food. Um, I'm also a country boy at heart, 00:47:09.102 --> 00:47:12.122 so- ... if I can get outside on some land, 00:47:12.502 --> 00:47:13.462 get some fishing, 00:47:13.842 --> 00:47:14.122 um- 00:47:14.122 --> 00:47:19.122 ... do some shooting, we, we would do that whenever we can too. So definitely a lot 00:47:19.182 --> 00:47:22.442 of, a lot of the outdoors things that Austin has to provide. 00:47:22.822 --> 00:47:23.982 I have a really awesome community 00:47:24.042 --> 00:47:25.102 down here, um, 00:47:25.762 --> 00:47:25.882 not 00:47:26.002 --> 00:47:30.062 just in S&C or athletic performance, but we have a really good community of friends down 00:47:30.082 --> 00:47:30.842 here as well. So we, 00:47:31.382 --> 00:47:33.102 we try to... We don't spend much time 00:47:33.122 --> 00:47:35.112 in the house. We don't spend- Yeah ... a ton of 00:47:35.162 --> 00:47:39.092 time in the house. But yeah, we spend a lot of time with our friends and doing 00:47:39.102 --> 00:47:45.112 things outside. That's terrific. And I'm curious to know a little bit how creating that work-life balance, 00:47:45.902 --> 00:47:49.942 uh, has happened as you've matured as a coach and as a person that's, you know, very 00:47:50.022 --> 00:47:53.042 invested in this field and the people you work with. Mm-hmm. Obviously, you put a lot of time 00:47:53.682 --> 00:47:55.062 into this. Like I mentioned, you're traveling with 00:47:55.102 --> 00:47:55.842 multiple teams. 00:47:56.322 --> 00:48:00.082 Yeah. Um, how has that kind of changed over the years? How have you been able to 00:48:00.102 --> 00:48:04.092 create that, uh, as you've gotten older and still have a lot of the same responsibilities, 00:48:04.142 --> 00:48:06.022 if not more? Yeah. I think 00:48:06.322 --> 00:48:07.022 when you- when I was a 00:48:07.062 --> 00:48:10.752 younger coach, like when I packed up from my hometown 00:48:11.322 --> 00:48:13.202 and I moved across the country to Nevada, 00:48:13.942 --> 00:48:20.142 and you're, you're in your early 20s and you... I moved sight unseen. Got a call on Sunday, moved 00:48:20.182 --> 00:48:21.942 out there Tuesday or Wednesday, something like 00:48:22.002 --> 00:48:22.982 that. I don't know 00:48:23.002 --> 00:48:25.962 anybody. And so what do I do? I just invest my time 00:48:26.002 --> 00:48:29.972 in work. I go to the office at 5:00 and I leave at 10:00 'cause I don't have anything else 00:48:30.002 --> 00:48:35.112 to do. Um, so obviously not a healthy thing to do, uh, but when you're younger and you're just 00:48:35.122 --> 00:48:38.982 trying to invest and spend time, that's what you think you have to do. And then as I 00:48:39.022 --> 00:48:41.082 got older, I realized that 00:48:41.242 --> 00:48:46.082 I can, I can not only get better at my craft by not just sitting in my 00:48:46.162 --> 00:48:46.842 office all day, 00:48:47.382 --> 00:48:51.022 but the things that I do to fill my cup outside of work actually 00:48:51.062 --> 00:48:55.642 make me a better coach. So if I were to only go into the weight room, and then come home 00:48:55.662 --> 00:48:59.162 and think about programming or whatever else I need to do for my next macro 00:48:59.242 --> 00:49:03.162 cycle, then I don't think that would help me pour into my athletes the way I can. 00:49:03.542 --> 00:49:07.252 Whereas, if I spend time with my wife or with my friends, 00:49:07.702 --> 00:49:10.042 I come back rejuvenated, and now my athletes can get that 00:49:10.062 --> 00:49:13.222 best part of me. So I think that is part of it, and that's why I think a lot of 00:49:13.262 --> 00:49:14.162 coaches do get burnt 00:49:14.242 --> 00:49:16.202 out, because, I mean, our profession, 00:49:16.742 --> 00:49:20.162 you have to have a master's degree to get this-... $35,000 job, 00:49:20.802 --> 00:49:25.082 right? Mm-hmm. So we think we have to keep adding letters to the alphabet soup, otherwise we 00:49:25.122 --> 00:49:26.082 can't climb up the ranks. 00:49:26.922 --> 00:49:27.122 For 00:49:27.182 --> 00:49:32.342 me, sure, I have my master's and I have a bunch of certificates and those different things. That's great. 00:49:32.442 --> 00:49:36.862 Um, the things that have helped me climb up the ranks is being really, really consistent. So I, I show 00:49:36.942 --> 00:49:41.952 up, I'd be really consistent for my coaches, and that's in my preparation, that's in the work that 00:49:42.002 --> 00:49:45.592 I'm able to get them, and that's in the quality of product and what I can give to my athletes 00:49:45.622 --> 00:49:49.072 and coaches. Um, then also from that consistency in where I've 00:49:49.102 --> 00:49:51.001 been. I know when I first got in 00:49:51.022 --> 00:49:55.122 the field, it's, you gotta bounce, you gotta get to the next job. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. You gotta 00:49:55.162 --> 00:49:56.202 chase that extra 5K. 00:49:57.002 --> 00:50:00.142 Um, right? Well, 10K, that'll change your life when you're making 35 grand, 00:50:00.222 --> 00:50:04.042 right? Mm-hmm. So you- you're chasing every job you can get. I was at three spots 00:50:04.062 --> 00:50:04.122 in 00:50:04.142 --> 00:50:08.362 my first year and a half, and the next thing I knew I sat down somewhere and I was really 00:50:08.442 --> 00:50:13.002 able to put down roots, enjoy the time that I was spending in the place 00:50:13.062 --> 00:50:16.322 that I was- Mm-hmm ... and then also, like, continue to grow my career. 00:50:16.682 --> 00:50:18.312 So being able to be consistent, 00:50:18.842 --> 00:50:22.062 I think, has been one of the best things for me, and that's consistent at work 00:50:22.082 --> 00:50:29.182 and outside of. Awesome. Really well said. That's terrific. Appreciate it. So thank- thank you for that. Yes, sir. Um, 00:50:29.222 --> 00:50:34.422 I'm curious to know now as you reflect on your career in strength and conditioning, and I know there's still 00:50:34.442 --> 00:50:37.082 some to go, uh, what moments really stick 00:50:37.122 --> 00:50:42.122 out to you? Oh, recency bias at effect right here. 00:50:42.242 --> 00:50:44.082 Um- So 00:50:44.142 --> 00:50:50.442 last week, actually, we were in Denver. Our track staff was in Denver at the Bowerman ceremony, uh, at the 00:50:50.502 --> 00:50:54.042 National Track Convention, which, for those who aren't familiar, the Bowerman is the Heisman of track 00:50:54.062 --> 00:50:57.102 and field. Um, so there's three finalists for men and three finalists 00:50:57.122 --> 00:51:02.462 for women. We were fortunate enough to work with two fantastic individuals, a male and a female, that were finalists. 00:51:03.162 --> 00:51:03.502 Um, 00:51:04.302 --> 00:51:06.252 to see them in that moment 00:51:07.022 --> 00:51:11.042 and then to be able to reflect back to what it took to get them 00:51:11.102 --> 00:51:13.962 there, right? 'Cause you see the performances, you see 00:51:14.002 --> 00:51:18.002 the times, um, you see these flashes of greatness 00:51:18.022 --> 00:51:20.002 all the time. Um, that's what everybody 00:51:20.042 --> 00:51:21.982 sees on the outside. Um, our female 00:51:22.022 --> 00:51:25.202 was actually blessed enough to win, and she deserves it. She's 00:51:25.542 --> 00:51:28.062 fantastic. She d- didn't lose a race in the 100 in the last 00:51:28.662 --> 00:51:29.202 16 00:51:29.962 --> 00:51:31.122 months or something like that in college. 00:51:31.142 --> 00:51:32.822 It was unbelievable. Um, 00:51:33.082 --> 00:51:36.042 but to see where she was five years ago when she 00:51:36.082 --> 00:51:40.982 got here, and now what she's grown into as a, an athlete and then also 00:51:41.022 --> 00:51:41.522 as a woman, 00:51:42.102 --> 00:51:44.802 like, that thing... I'm getting choked up a little bit. Like, that's- 00:51:44.802 --> 00:51:46.272 Mm-hmm ... the thing that, 00:51:46.602 --> 00:51:47.982 like, those are the moments. That's why we do 00:51:48.162 --> 00:51:50.892 what we do, right? So I think, uh, 00:51:51.002 --> 00:51:55.042 moments where, one, you can see all the hard work pay off, 00:51:56.242 --> 00:52:01.072 those are the things that, like, really, really stand out to me. And then with that, 00:52:01.422 --> 00:52:03.232 I think my head coach said it last week, with 00:52:03.322 --> 00:52:04.971 that, like, those moments of 00:52:05.002 --> 00:52:07.012 failure that a- athletes are able to come 00:52:07.082 --> 00:52:09.062 back from, that's an- that's another 00:52:09.122 --> 00:52:12.022 piece of it that none of this happens without failure along the way. 00:52:12.562 --> 00:52:16.382 Um, failure on my part, failure on the athlete's part, failure on somebody's 00:52:16.462 --> 00:52:19.022 part. Like, it's not gonna be all sunshine and rainbows on 00:52:19.062 --> 00:52:21.082 the on the road to success. 00:52:21.082 --> 00:52:22.112 Right. So being 00:52:22.222 --> 00:52:24.162 able to, being able to have a roadblock, 00:52:24.802 --> 00:52:28.922 being able to sit down, figure out how we get across that, get around that, get through 00:52:29.002 --> 00:52:34.102 that, um, and then make our way to the rest of our story, whether that's success in athletics 00:52:34.162 --> 00:52:41.352 or elsewhere. Um, but watching the process, and I keep saying that, but not just the training process, but watching 00:52:41.362 --> 00:52:46.142 the growth process is something that's just really awesome for me, and those are the moments that, like, really stick 00:52:46.202 --> 00:52:47.042 out for me as a coach. 00:52:47.802 --> 00:52:48.052 Mm-hmm. 00:52:48.442 --> 00:52:48.842 Terrific. 00:52:49.332 --> 00:52:55.102 I really appreciate you sharing that and, and everything that you've, uh, said today. It's really awesome and, and appreciate 00:52:55.222 --> 00:52:58.982 your time. For people that want to reach out to you or get in touch with you, what's 00:52:59.002 --> 00:52:59.062 the 00:52:59.102 --> 00:53:01.962 best way to, uh, uh, get in touch with you 00:53:02.062 --> 00:53:02.362 and, 00:53:03.082 --> 00:53:07.042 um, uh, be able to use you as a resource potentially? 00:53:07.842 --> 00:53:09.062 DMs or emails, 00:53:09.462 --> 00:53:11.182 for sure. I- if you DM me, I'll probably 00:53:11.202 --> 00:53:16.112 see it at some point. If you email me, I'll absolutely see it today. Um, so- ... DMs and emails, 00:53:16.162 --> 00:53:17.072 and those are on, you can 00:53:17.102 --> 00:53:22.682 find those on the websites, uh, on UT's website. I'm clint.martin@utexas.edu. 00:53:23.202 --> 00:53:25.982 Um, like I said, and if... I've never not responded to an email. 00:53:26.142 --> 00:53:28.182 You can check me. If there's anybody on here I haven't 00:53:28.202 --> 00:53:28.602 responded to- 00:53:28.602 --> 00:53:34.802 ... I don't believe it. Um, I will always respond to your emails. Um, and then DMs, more than likely 00:53:34.822 --> 00:53:38.362 I'll be able to get back to you as well. But I love to converse. I mean, I talk to 00:53:38.601 --> 00:53:41.042 former interns. I actually have a call with an intern here as soon as we get 00:53:41.062 --> 00:53:43.222 off this call. Um, but I love to talk shop. 00:53:43.762 --> 00:53:46.182 I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for people taking 00:53:46.242 --> 00:53:48.082 time for me, um, and people 00:53:48.682 --> 00:53:51.982 letting me lean on their experience. So I try to give, pay that forward as 00:53:52.022 --> 00:53:56.962 well. Yeah. I'll just say it again. There's, there's a lot of really good ones in the field. 00:53:57.062 --> 00:53:59.062 Clint is up there with, with some of the best, 00:53:59.142 --> 00:54:02.062 so definitely encourage people who are listening in to 00:54:02.082 --> 00:54:06.942 reach out to Clint. Uh, he's got a wealth of knowledge and experience, and very humble, and, and, you know, 00:54:07.062 --> 00:54:12.042 highly recommend reaching out to him and, and creating a relationship with Clint, so appreciate that, Clint. Absolutely. 00:54:12.042 --> 00:54:13.102 Um, couple of quick 00:54:13.122 --> 00:54:15.922 hitters here- Mm ... uh, to wrap it up. A, a lightning round, so to 00:54:16.002 --> 00:54:16.942 speak. You ready to go? Yes. 00:54:17.302 --> 00:54:21.361 Let's do it. Favorite barbecue in Austin? Styles Switch. 00:54:21.762 --> 00:54:23.171 Big ol' ribs. The be- Need it ... the beef 00:54:23.242 --> 00:54:23.492 rib. 00:54:24.082 --> 00:54:27.942 Oh. Need it. Gotta have it. I might go get one right now. Gotta have it. You paused the lightning 00:54:27.982 --> 00:54:28.992 round by saying that for 00:54:29.082 --> 00:54:35.962 me. The beef rib at Styles Switch every Sunday before NFL games, that was my move. It's one rib. It's 00:54:36.002 --> 00:54:37.982 just... Oh, yeah, gotta have 00:54:38.022 --> 00:54:38.102 it. 00:54:38.682 --> 00:54:38.882 All right. 00:54:39.262 --> 00:54:39.802 Favorite taco? 00:54:41.042 --> 00:54:43.032 Granny's Tacos. All 00:54:43.082 --> 00:54:45.062 right. Favorite piece of Keiser equipment 00:54:45.102 --> 00:54:51.022 to train on? Ooh, leg press/air squat. I love them both simultaneously. Both of them. 00:54:52.262 --> 00:54:55.222 You mentioned concerts and going to a lot of great concerts. Favorite concert 00:54:55.262 --> 00:54:57.122 you've been to? That's not 00:54:57.182 --> 00:54:57.832 fair. Uh- 00:55:00.122 --> 00:55:01.942 Uh, I'll have to 00:55:02.002 --> 00:55:04.122 go with Kid 00:55:04.202 --> 00:55:04.542 Cudi. 00:55:06.002 --> 00:55:09.042 It's unbelievable. But there's been so many good. Cudi was 00:55:09.082 --> 00:55:13.062 unbelievable. All right. If something else comes up, you let me know, but I see 00:55:13.102 --> 00:55:15.202 there's a lot of other ones in there. There's so many. 00:55:15.542 --> 00:55:17.222 Chris Stapleton was unbelievable. 00:55:18.142 --> 00:55:19.182 Yeah, there's so many. 00:55:19.662 --> 00:55:22.082 I saw Stapleton 2016 ACL. Incredible. 00:55:22.762 --> 00:55:23.022 Incredible. So 00:55:23.062 --> 00:55:26.462 good. So good. I saw him in October this year. It was incredible. 00:55:26.942 --> 00:55:27.462 Unbelievable. 00:55:29.132 --> 00:55:30.042 Oh, man, that's awesome. All 00:55:30.072 --> 00:55:33.062 right, uh, area, outside of strength and conditioning that you're really curious 00:55:33.072 --> 00:55:36.942 about? Curious or I dabble in, like 00:55:37.052 --> 00:55:42.102 I like to look at it? Either. Uh, I really like history, specifically, like, military history. 00:55:44.012 --> 00:55:46.992 I just finished re-watching Band of Brothers and the Pacific again 00:55:47.012 --> 00:55:50.012 for, like, the 10th time. Yeah, boy. Like the 10th time. I knew I liked you... I knew I liked 00:55:50.032 --> 00:55:53.072 you for some reason. I can't stop. I'm gonna watch it again probably over 00:55:53.132 --> 00:55:53.952 break. Nope. 00:55:54.052 --> 00:55:54.312 Um, 00:55:55.472 --> 00:56:01.962 last one, score prediction for the Texas-Washington college football semifinal. Oof. I'm not gonna get messy. You know me, I'm 00:56:01.992 --> 00:56:06.212 PC. Um, I think it's a 10-point dub, Longhorns 00:56:06.252 --> 00:56:10.952 in New Orleans. All right, which I hear you're going to, correct? I am going, for sure. 00:56:11.012 --> 00:56:13.992 I gotta support the boys. Incredible. Well, we'll have evidence 00:56:14.032 --> 00:56:15.942 either, uh, on that, and, 00:56:16.052 --> 00:56:20.912 uh, if you've never emailed anybody back, and 25-plus seconds for next year. Yes, sir. So we have you written 00:56:20.952 --> 00:56:21.082 down 00:56:21.132 --> 00:56:23.012 for all three. You got me. Check 00:56:23.052 --> 00:56:27.532 in on me next time. Uh, awesome, Clint. Thank you so much for joining me today? on the Keiser Human 00:56:27.552 --> 00:56:30.152 Performance Podcast. Appreciate your time. It's always great. 00:56:30.172 --> 00:56:31.242 to catch up. Wishing 00:56:31.312 --> 00:56:33.291 you and Stormy, uh, and your families, 00:56:33.712 --> 00:56:40.382 uh, happy holidays and a happy and healthy new year. And if 2024 can be half as good as 2023, 00:56:40.492 --> 00:56:43.092 then I imagine it's gonna be another great year for you. 00:56:43.792 --> 00:56:46.002 All right, happy holidays, brother. Thanks for having me. on. All 00:56:46.072 --> 00:56:52.252 right, you too. Thanks. We appreciate you tuning in to this episode of the Keiser Human Performance 00:56:52.352 --> 00:56:55.202 Podcast. To stay up to date on all things. Keiser, 00:56:55.692 --> 00:56:57.192 follow us @Keiserfitness 00:56:57.472 --> 00:56:59.102 on' Twitter, Instagram, and 00:56:59.152 --> 00:57:02.972 Facebook. 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Welcome to the Keiser Human Performance Podcast.

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The goal of this podcast. is to educate and inspire you to make the most of your

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journey in health and

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performance. Each episode will provide an in-depth discussion on a specific topic related to human performance.

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If you're a growth-minded

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individual seeking knowledge and better solutions,

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this

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podcast is for you. We're glad you're listening in, and we're excited to learn alongside

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you. My name is Gabe Derman, and today I'm joined by Coach Clint Martin. Clint has been

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in the human performance. setting for more than a decade. After stints at Iowa State and Nevada, he now serves

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as the associate head coach of athletic performance. at the University of

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Texas. He has been an integral part of five national championships and has coached more than a dozen Olympic

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medalists in track

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and swimming. On today's

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episode, we' discuss a range of topics related to Clint's experiences as a human performance coach.

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He shares his unique professional journey and insights that have allowed him to develop meaningful relationships

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with sport coaches and maximize sport and weight room integration. In the second half of the episode, we' shift gears

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and talk about

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entrepreneurship, life outside

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of coaching, including Clint's date with the Dennystones at the Rogue Invitational.

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You. can follow Clint on Instagram at clintmart10 and on Twitter at mrcmart10.

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If you're ever

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in the Austin area, Clint invites you to stop by the UT Athletic Performance Center to connect.

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Enjoy

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the episode. Clint, how we doing today?

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All good, brother. It's always good to

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see you. How are you? I'm doing great.

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Thank you for asking. I would like to start off with one big question right here, all right?

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Talk to me. 2023 was a big year for Clint Martin. because...

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Wedding ring, wedding vows.

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No tools. All those things.

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For sure. Big change in my life, absolutely.

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For the better,

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no doubt. For the better. Well- ... for me, for better. I don't know about her. You can ask

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her, but- ... my

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life is much better now. All right. Well, first of all, congrats to you and Stormy on tying the knot.

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Two things I noticed from my own social media scrolling. Number

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one, your groomsmen footage.

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Ooh. Incredible. The NFL, NBA game day style walk-up,

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uh, incredible. I'm probably gonna

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steal that one from you. And then number

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two, uh, did I see correctly that you had the great Donny Mabe officiate

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your wedding? Donny Mabe graced us with his presence as my, as my officiant, and it was, it was awesome.

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It was the best thing ever . It was great. Amazing. I'm sure it was a blast, and

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I'm sure Donny killed it like he always does. Like he always does.

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We're excited to bring you on our podcast today because obviously we have a tremendous amount of respect for you

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as a human performance coach, as an educator- Thank you ... and

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as a person. Your resume speaks for itself. The All-Americans, championships,

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Olympic

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medals. It's impressive, no doubt. One of the things that really helps separate you from the masses of strength

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and conditioning coaches is your ability to really do things in an original

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way, and you really carved out your own path in this industry. I think a lot of strength and conditioning

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coaches value collaboration with sport coaches,

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but few are able to really do it at the level that you've been able to do it at.

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All the while,

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you've been able to create a work-life balance that has allowed you to be entrepreneurial and have an identity outside

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the weight room, a term that I'm gonna coin today as a modern strength and conditioning coach.

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Mm-hmm.

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So, happy to have you on. I have my notepad. I'm ready to go, and I'm excited to

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learn, and

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you ready to do this? Let's do it. Let's

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dive in. All right, so begin by telling us about your current position at the University of Texas. Athletic

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Performance. What teams do you currently work with, and how has your role evolved from when you first joined the

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staff

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till now? I'm associate head coach of performance at UT. Um, I'm in my ninth season, so I've been down

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here

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for a while now. Um, I directly oversee a full-time

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staff member, um, another staff member with another one of my programs, and I oversee track

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and field, men's swimming, and women's golf. So, a lot of hands in a lot of baskets,

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um, but it's, it's definitely changed a lot since I got

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there. Um, like when I came in, I came in as

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an assistant. Um, I'd left a... It was

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kinda weird, different, different transition than most. I'd left a head men's hoops job,

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um, to come in here and assist with

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track. Um, for me, I was 24 years old,

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and I felt that I was at a place where I needed to be vulnerable, and

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I didn't feel that anymore. Um, so I was like, "Let me, let me step away before I get too

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comfortable over here in men's hoops,

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uh, with no oversight or anything like that,

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and let me get back in the weeds. Let me continue to learn ag- Let me continue to get

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pushed." Um, so that's

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how I came in, um, as a 24-year-old,

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and obviously my role has shifted considerably since then, not assisting with teams, but, um, leading

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teams, and leading a department, and, um, designing weight rooms and different things like that. So, the role has changed

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a ton, um,

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but

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it's been a, a different,

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it's been a different

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kind

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of upcoming or r- come up than I thought it would be. Um, a lot different than what

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I had planned. I didn't think I'd be here that long. Next thing you know, it's going on a decade

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and here we are.

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I was gonna say, nine years. That went by that, went by pretty fast, huh? Quick. Quick.

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Now, these gray hairs would say differently, but yeah, quick.

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Wow. Well, yeah, I, I think that's quite uncommon probably for,

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you know, a young 24-year-old

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coach that is running a men's basketball program to leave, like you said, to be an assistant for track and

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field and, and working with track

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and field. So- Yeah ... good on you for recognizing that, you know, you wanted to push yourself in a

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certain kind of way, and here you are nine years

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later. For

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sure. So, we spoke at the UT Athletic Performance Clinic, which is coming up soon by the way

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again,

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about two years ago, and I remember we were talking about the importance of having a strong relationship with your

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head sport coach. Mm-hmm.

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Or your respective

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head sport coaches. Not that this is a new idea by any means, but while a lot

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of coaches know that this is important, I don't think that that's really the easiest thing to foster, and foster-

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Sure ... in a genuine manner.

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So my question to you, Clint, is,

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you know, you've been there for

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nine years now, how you've been able to create a strong,

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trusting, and really meaningful relationship with your respective

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sport coaches.

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I think this is, like you said, it's not a new th- ideology. It's not something that I just came

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up with. Um, the biggest thing that you have to have is

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patience. Um, like any genuine relationship

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that you're going to build, it's not gonna happen

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overnight, um, and you can't expect

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it to. With,

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with most of my sport coaches, I've had

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multiple track staffs here since I've been here. Um, I've had the same swim staff

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since I've been here. Um, and I picked up women's golf three years into the process.

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But for

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me, I had to realize that this is what they are here for. They are here to oversee this program,

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their respective program,

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and that most of them have been coaching 20-plus years. So they've seen-- They've been doing these things since before

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our profession wasn't really even a profession,

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right? And then over the years they've, they've seen how many strength coaches. So how can I expect them to

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just welcome me with open arms, "Hey, I'm your guy." How many guys have you had in the past? How

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many girls have you had in the past, and did you get along with them?

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Um, if you had a great strength coach, then you're probably gonna assume that your next strength coach

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isn't going to be great. Regression to

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the mean, right? Or

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if you had a, a handful of really bad strength coaches, then you're gonna assume

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the same for your next.

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So for me, I think the biggest thing that helped me is just trying to sit down and try to

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meet

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them where they're at,

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and I don't need to show what I know or anything like that. I need to show them

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that I care about their program, and that I'm here for them and their program.

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And that's been,

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to be honest, the best thing that's helped me kinda

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elevate my career. So what are some of those early conversations like? Like, you went through a track and field-

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Mm-hmm ... uh, overhaul with the staff, right? Yeah. And you were-- y-you remained with track and field, so those

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early conversations, right? You said, "Hey, I wanna show that I care about their program." What conversations are you having?

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What questions are you asking early on? What is that like to show that you are

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caring? It's funny. It's funny you ask this. So when Coach Flo got hired, I knew it was gonna

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happen. I knew our staff was on the way out. I was actually-- I flew from the national championship,

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uh, overseas, 'cause I was consulting at that point. Um, and I was at 13-hour time difference,

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and

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I woke

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up one morning,

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and I had 40-something missed

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calls, 50-something texts.

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Uh, my boss had hit me a bunch of times. I had a bunch of

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athletes, "Hey, are

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you still here? Are you still here?" Okay, so I know it just happened. So the first thing I did

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was I called my boss,

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9:00 AM, and I said, "Hey,

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who is it, and can you

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get me their email?" And that was the first thing that, the first conversation I had was, "Hey,

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I'm here to support you and

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your program. Um, let me know if there's anything you need from me."

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Like, nothing about resume, nothing about agendas. What do you need from me? 'Cause at the end

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of the day, we're support staff.

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Um, so that's what some of those conversations

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looked like from the beginning. And then when I got on the ground, it was more of me sitting back

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and trying to understand and trying to learn

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from, um, from my coach.

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Because I can understand track and field

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like the back of my hand in this context, but I've never seen it under the context of this head

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coach. So I might have no idea what it is I'm supposed to do. So for me, it's trying to

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make sure,

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one, I can meet them where they're at, but I have to understand

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where they're going to also help their athletes get there. So it was just trying to figure out what it

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was they actually needed from a performance coach.

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Definitely.

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And leaning into that

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a little bit here, let's talk a little about some of the integration between training on the track and the

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weight room. Um, we had you on an episode, of the Kaiser Education series with Derek and with Les last

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year, which was fantastic, and my understanding is that you're doing

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some really great things. Now, from what you said, I know that those things didn't happen overnight necessarily. There was,

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there was a lot of sitting back, being patient, listening. Yeah. And I'm sure as a coach, you're eager to

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share what you know and show that you can provide value, but really you're just--

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you have to really remain patient.

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For sure. Um, if you can give us some insight, though, kind of how that's evolved to where

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you gotten to now. Um, I know we could probably do an entire series on this. Sure. But really a

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30,000-foot view of your general approach to integrating

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weight room with track. Yeah. So I love that you asked that question. So for

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us, we don't think about integrating the weight room with the track. We think of everything as a stressor for

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adaptation. So we think of the weight room being as important as what's going on on the track,

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as important as what's happening in the training

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room, as important as what's happening

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nutritionally, right? 'Cause everything for us is a stressor that adds to the adaptation pie.

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So

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yes, it might not

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all be equal amounts and equal percentages of how important

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they are, but if they're not looked at from the same lens as this thing is one of our most,

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most important things that we do for our athletes,

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then we've failed.

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So we look

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at everything from the same lens all the time. So I don't do anything in the weight

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room unless I know what's happening on the track,

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and vice versa.

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Coach. Flo and I have conversations about what's gonna happen on the track to make decisions about

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what we're gonna do from a weight room standpoint and, at the same time,

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what they need to be doing with the nutritionist going, or the dieticians going in as

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well. So all those things happen simultaneously.

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Right. So when you're discussing

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KPIs or things that are important, it sounds like those are all shared amongst everybody no matter what

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discipline you're in. Is that

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right? Yeah, absolutely. So from anybody who's--

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So f-for myself, and then any of

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the event coaches, anyone who can put a stressor on the body physiologically, right? Um,

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for us, we have to share the same KPIs, because if I'm chasing whatever I'm

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chasing in the weight room and it's not matching up with what they need, whether that be from a skill

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acquisition standpoint or from an output standpoint, then what are we doing?So for us, it's, it's trying to make sure

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that we're all going in the same direction, but we gotta figure out what that

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direction is. Usually, that starts with either the sport coach or, um, being part of that conversation or being at

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practice. So if you can provide us maybe a little bit of insight into your preparation

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for every season, right? You're in the off-season, you're getting ready for students to return to campus. Mm-hmm. You're having

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your meetings with your coaching

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staffs. Are you redefining things every single year? Are you saying, "Hey, this is what's important

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to see?" Like, can you give us some insight maybe what those meetings are like before those student athletes return,

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and kind of what the game plan and strategic plans are for the

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annual year? Yeah, absolutely. So I'll stick with track

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right now.

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Um, even, it's really good, going into an Olympic year, this is really

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important for us.

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Um, we were starting to have those conversations before the season was even done last

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year. Um, and for us, I was able to sit down with my head sport scientist

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and then sit down with the data analytics guys and figure out if there was anything else that we had

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looked at coming out of competition season that seems to have been influenced by

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the training. So we've had a, we have a ton of tests that we run. We get data from a

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lot of different avenues, a lot of different objective feedbacks. Um, but for

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us, we're able to dial in every year something

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else. Um, so through this last season, we had a bunch of things that we were looking at that

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we know these things are really important for

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our 100

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meter females. We know these things are really important for our 400 meter men. Great. What can we glean

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from this last season that can be

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more info for us to

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add into our, um, kind of our

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KPIs, right? So we're looking at those things first. I'll have those conversations with the data guys,

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and then I can take those to the head coach

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and see, "Hey, what are... These are the things that we're seeing from

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a, from an objective standpoint that we can change, or things that seem

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to be important. And now, how do we wanna try to attack those things? Do we wanna do them in

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the weight room? Do we wanna do them on the track? Do we wanna do them simultaneously? When do

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those things need to be approached?"

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Um, so that's kind of how those conversations will go. But every

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year we try

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to add another layer, um, to what

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it is we're objectively

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training. You mentioned it being an Olympic year, so I'm curious to ask

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about how you

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balance preparation for NCAAs and the collegiate season,

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knowing that it's also an Olympic

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cycle- Sure ... it's also an Olympic year. Great thing for, for us is

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we had, shoot,

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s- five or six athletes last year on the track program that obviously did really well at the NCAA

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level, and then a month later were able to go out and make finals at, uh, at the

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World Championships. So obviously, he's been doing it a long time. I've had a great opportunity these last seven

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or eight years, um, to be able to work with a lot of those athletes post-collegiately or, um, post their

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season that year. Um, so those are things that we balance really, really well, but we understand that we have,

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really for the American athletes, we have three ti-

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It's at NCAAs, then it's again at Olympic

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trials, and then it's again at the Olympics. Or same for the Jamaican athletes, the same thing.

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We have some athletes who, um, they may not have to do an Olympic trials. Like we have one

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of the fastest females in the world from...

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qualified.

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So for us,

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their programs may look different. We may be able to slow cook them a little bit more because we have

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more

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time. Um, so it kinda depends. It's very individualized based on what they need to do, and really age is

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a huge thing in who they are and how we're gonna do it, but it's all about long-term development and

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long-term preparation for us. So we're looking, we're look-- our goal is the NCAA championships. That's what we're looking

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towards as well. But from the NCAA championships, how can we take that athlete and then get them going again

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one more time to get that last push toward the Olympics?

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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Cool. Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah.

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Um, one of the things that you've discussed with me in the past too, and what I've heard

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you speak about, and this is part of that integration. and stress is stress and, and the collaboration is,

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you spend a lot of time out on the track, right? Yes. Right. So how, as a strength and conditioning

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coach that's starting off, right, with just kind of in the

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weight room trying to sit back and learn and learn, is that a conversation of, "Hey, do you

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mind if I come out on the track?" Like, what's the progression of those conversations to how you got

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to this point now? Yeah.

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So I actually start--

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It, it kind of worked out for me really easily with hoops because, uh, as you know, like most performance

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coaches are going to go to basketball practice. That's, that's just what it is. Um, I have,

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I had a track background,

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um, so going to basketball practices and learning, like, the basketball language and what was actually happening at

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practice was very eye-opening for me. Um, but the thing that also stood out to me was, like, the guys

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didn't move very well. And I was like, "That's one thing that I understood really,

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really well." Mm-hmm. So how can I, one, implement the things that I know into a system that's already really

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good and make

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that thing better? So I didn't try to run away from the things I knew. I kind of leaned into

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those things, um, to try to help kind of build my understanding of the sport. And then on this end,

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how do I get out to the track with my coaches? For me,

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it's more of

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a, "Let

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me learn from y'all. Let me continue to build my skill set. I'm here to help y'all. I can only

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be better if I'm learning

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from the best," right?

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So for me, I just wanna learn,

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and I would

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go, and I would shut my mouth, and I would sit there and watch

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and, um,

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start to ask questions as people feel more comfortable. Um, the athletes feel more vulnerable around you,

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and you're out there, and the coaches start to trust you a little bit more. Because once again, I don't

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have an agenda. I don't have to be here. But I'm here for your program because I care. Um, and

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then once those

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things happen, um, then things start

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to open up for sure. Right. And being able to handle such a large group of athletes and athletes that

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are competing in different events, how do you do that? How do you bucket your athletes? How do you individualize

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as much as you can when, when looking at this large number of individuals that you need to, uh, be

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able to train and monitor, and they're flowing,

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you know, from practice- Mm-hmm ... right into the weight room, and it's very fluid. H- how are you keeping

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track of all that? How are you bucketing your athletes to, to really make the most of their experience?

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Nice thing here is that, um, we have event coaches, right? So all the sprinters

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are trained by the same person. So that's really easy for me to understand what those stressors

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that have been placed on those

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athletes will have been, um, or will

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be. So for me, and the other great thing is I've been here for a long time with the same

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staff. Mm-hmm. So, you know, that first

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year, I understand what the stresses should look like on these athletes, but at the same time, we're all figuring

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it out together, right? It's a new crop of athletes for them. Um, they may be able to

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recruit a different type of athlete than they've been able to recruit before. Uh, now I have to see how

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the training will affect them with, hey, maybe we're lifting after, maybe we're lifting before. Those things

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might have been different in the past

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as well. So

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that first year, um, you're really taking in a bunch,

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um, you're doing everything you can from a science-based

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practice, but you're also rolling and learning. Like, it's, it's very developmental and very much a learning standpoint. Um,

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the great thing about how we're able to develop is I get everyone for the first two to three weeks

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before they do anything with their coaches.

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Um, and I have a big battery of tests that we do, and those tests will

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kind of let me know where my athletes sit

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in terms of how you're talking about bucketing.

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Um, so what do they need? What are they

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really, really good at? Um, and then

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what is kind of their superpower, are kind of the different ways that I look at it.

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And then from there, I can kind of plug and play based on their event groups and what they need

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to be able to do. Got it. So when they return to campus, really like you said,

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the first two to three weeks, track staff knows this, they're gonna be spending time with Clint' in the weight

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room and maybe on the track, um, doing, "Hey, here's our bucket of assessments

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that we're gonna throw at you, and this is just a, 'Hey, let's identify

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where you're at right now at this time,

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and then we're gonna create a plan and go.'" Is that right? Absolutely. Yeah. So we're, we're figuring out,

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one, where you're at at this time, but then for the freshmen or transfers, we're

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trying to figure out who you are as an

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athlete in general. Um, I have no idea who you are. You're off the street. Yes, you're fast. Sure. What's

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your

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vehicle to get there,

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right? Yeah. So we might have two athletes that run the exact same

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time. One

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might be really, really reflexive, and one might be really, really muscular based.

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Mm-hmm. Those things are gonna tell me different things about how I need to train them, right? Same demands,

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but they get there with the different vehicles. Like, that's what I call their superpower.

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Your superpower is very different than yours.

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Cool, now I know that, and we haven't done any

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sprints. Right? So for me, it's easy

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to get them in these set buckets

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and then see how the stressors

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affect them, and then at this point

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now, have a pretty big library to understand how to plug and play with them. Yeah. You mentioned assessments

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and having this battery. If you're willing to share, just for someone who's listening, like willing to share one

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out of your, your battery of assessments, what's one thing that you, you look

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at or everyone's gonna go through when they first get here?

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One thing we're... Well, I can go through all of them. Uh,

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one thing- As many as you're willing to share.

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One thing that most of my power athletes, I won't say all, most of my power athletes will do

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as soon as they get here, and that's a sprinter, that's a jumper, that's a hurdler, um, is we'll

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do some sort of jump assessment. Um, namely, we'll do Bosco jump in the weight room with myself.

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We'll also do some sort of,

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um, taking away degrees of freedom. We'll do some sort of jump assessment on, uh,

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the force decks as well. And then we're also gonna

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look at,

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um, strength levels and asymmetries

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from hamstring standpoint, from groin standpoint, from, uh, hip standpoint.

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We're looking at extension, we're looking at abduction.

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So those are things that we've been able to dial down and understand

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from a health standpoint, there's thresholds that we need to be able to maintain or be above just to be

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healthy and train in this program. And then from a performance standpoint, there might be some low-hanging fruit there

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for, hey, all of our high performers seem to be around here in these certain

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areas. So there's things that we need to strive for, but then also things

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that we need to, at the beginning

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of the year, we know we need to be here just to be healthy. So that's

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why I get everybody, because I can give the coaches a green light

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or a red light, "Hey, they're not ready for you yet. They're gonna stay with me for a little bit

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longer." Right. So I imagine

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coaches thinking about that situation, putting

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their, uh, themselves in your shoes right now, telling a track coach who's been itching to get his athletes back

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... uh, or her athletes back

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all summer, and then all of a sudden, the strength and conditioning coach walks in and

00:22:44.054 --> 00:22:44.974
says, "Hey,

00:22:45.014 --> 00:22:49.994
this person's not ready." You know? So, so- For sure ... but because of the work that you've put in

00:22:50.073 --> 00:22:54.754
o- you know, over the amount of time that, that you've shared over the last nine years, you've gotten to

00:22:54.814 --> 00:22:59.034
this point now. You know, it didn't happen overnight. No, for sure. In year one and year two

00:22:59.054 --> 00:23:01.134
with the new staff, you're not, you're not saying those types of things

00:23:01.174 --> 00:23:04.854
necessarily. For sure. Yeah. But you've put in that work on the front end to get to a point now

00:23:04.874 --> 00:23:07.354
where there is that trust and there is that meaningful relationship,

00:23:07.794 --> 00:23:08.274
as we alluded

00:23:08.294 --> 00:23:08.994
to earlier.

00:23:10.114 --> 00:23:15.064
So aside from spending time out on the track, because I understand for strength and conditioning

00:23:15.094 --> 00:23:17.194
coaches, that is a very important thing, spend time in practice.

00:23:17.794 --> 00:23:19.834
Not just to learn, but that shows that you do care.

00:23:20.034 --> 00:23:25.034
Uh, I agree. Absolutely. And aside from being at a place that has had a lot of success historically,

00:23:25.874 --> 00:23:31.054
uh, how do you get buy-in from your athletes? How are... What are some additional methods or tools that

00:23:31.114 --> 00:23:31.194
you

00:23:31.354 --> 00:23:34.134
use to create buy-in, specifically

00:23:34.154 --> 00:23:39.094
in the weight room, for athletes that have been really, really fast their whole lives, and really haven't paid much

00:23:39.154 --> 00:23:43.054
attention in the weight room, and maybe are like, "I don't... Why do I need this if I've already been

00:23:43.074 --> 00:23:43.234
so

00:23:43.254 --> 00:23:46.794
good for my whole life?" Yeah. Um, how do you help them learn to train and make it, like, an

00:23:46.814 --> 00:23:51.064
enjoyable environment to create buy-in? I think, going back to what we talked about earlier,

00:23:51.474 --> 00:23:54.274
um, letting them understand that that's part of the development

00:23:54.314 --> 00:23:56.004
process, right? It's not, "Hey,

00:23:56.494 --> 00:23:58.054
track practice," then, "Oh yeah, also, we have to

00:23:58.074 --> 00:24:00.074
go to the weight room." Like, no, no, look

00:24:00.114 --> 00:24:03.834
at, these are the things that are really important for you to do the things that you're telling me you

00:24:03.874 --> 00:24:04.114
wanna

00:24:04.154 --> 00:24:05.974
do, right? The goals that you're saying

00:24:06.034 --> 00:24:09.074
you wanna do, this is how we can accomplish them, and it's not only

00:24:09.114 --> 00:24:09.754
done on the track,

00:24:10.114 --> 00:24:12.074
right? It's done when you're making good decisions

00:24:12.114 --> 00:24:15.794
outside of when you're with us. It's done when you're in the weight room. It's done when you're in the

00:24:15.814 --> 00:24:17.064
training room. It's done when you're with

00:24:17.094 --> 00:24:23.544
the dietician. Um, so letting them understand that it's all part of the process of them getting to where they're

00:24:23.574 --> 00:24:25.094
telling us they wanna

00:24:25.114 --> 00:24:25.974
be. So for

00:24:26.014 --> 00:24:28.074
me, I'm, I'm trying to figure out, "Hey, what

00:24:28.094 --> 00:24:32.014
do you wanna do?" Yeah. "Okay, that's great. You're telling me your goals. How are

00:24:32.054 --> 00:24:37.140
we gonna get there?" Mm-hmm. We can't get there by just runningOtherwise you would have done it already,

00:24:37.850 --> 00:24:43.610
right? So for us, it's, it's trying to make sure that they understand that everything is a part of the,

00:24:43.650 --> 00:24:44.270
the process.

00:24:46.370 --> 00:24:50.430
Right. I love what you just said there. I'm gonna write it down. Uh, otherwise, you would've done it already.

00:24:50.650 --> 00:24:50.980
Otherwise,

00:24:51.030 --> 00:24:55.070
you would've done it already. That's a great one. I should've just used that. There's too many times I

00:24:55.090 --> 00:24:57.970
talked way too much. Um, and I should've just said, "Otherwise, you wouldn't

00:24:58.010 --> 00:25:01.100
be here." Cool.

00:25:01.670 --> 00:25:06.010
Um, and I imagine what that does simultaneously is you're saying, "Hey, everything that we do here

00:25:06.030 --> 00:25:07.230
matters," so you're already

00:25:07.490 --> 00:25:09.110
now, um,

00:25:09.910 --> 00:25:14.910
creating by association, buy-in with nutrition, buy-in with sports science, buy-in with- Absolutely ... athletic training, just by

00:25:15.010 --> 00:25:16.150
simply saying, "Hey, everything

00:25:16.170 --> 00:25:16.710
here matters."

00:25:17.210 --> 00:25:22.950
Absolutely. Oh, that's fantastic. And I think, you know, we've talked about this from a track and field lens,

00:25:23.030 --> 00:25:26.110
but obviously you said you have some experience with some other sports. I mean, I know

00:25:26.370 --> 00:25:30.090
when we would try to chop it up or catch up with you, you'd say, "Hey, I, I'm getting ready

00:25:30.150 --> 00:25:31.190
to travel with women's golf

00:25:31.230 --> 00:25:32.020
to, to national

00:25:32.070 --> 00:25:36.080
championships" so- Yeah ... I want everyone to understand a- and appreciate that Clint's not just doing

00:25:36.110 --> 00:25:40.180
this with track and field, but this is the approach to all the teams that he's working with. Clint is

00:25:40.250 --> 00:25:44.770
on the road traveling with these teams and putting in, putting in the time that, you know, his teams deserve.

00:25:44.810 --> 00:25:46.920
And, you know, success is a,

00:25:47.070 --> 00:25:53.970
it's not a secret why. It's definitely been, it's been humbling being here. Um, and even taking, uh, taking a

00:25:53.990 --> 00:25:59.090
sport like women's golf that, to be honest, when I, when I found out I was taking over that program,

00:25:59.230 --> 00:26:00.010
I had no idea what

00:26:00.090 --> 00:26:01.060
I was doing. Um,

00:26:01.570 --> 00:26:03.190
so the first thing I did was

00:26:03.730 --> 00:26:05.030
get online and buy

00:26:05.070 --> 00:26:05.790
some golf lessons.

00:26:06.510 --> 00:26:09.050
Yeah. And I went, I went out to the course, I went out to the

00:26:09.090 --> 00:26:11.980
course. Uh, my, my teacher was,

00:26:12.010 --> 00:26:17.890
she was probably in her 70s, and she was awesome. Um, and she coached me up, and she found out

00:26:17.910 --> 00:26:23.390
what I did, and- ... uh, she definitely opened my eyes. 'Cause the way they golf is not how you

00:26:23.410 --> 00:26:24.010
and I golf,

00:26:24.050 --> 00:26:26.030
sir. No. So

00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:28.950
and their preparation is not how we go out and just swing the

00:26:29.010 --> 00:26:29.980
sticks. So I

00:26:30.010 --> 00:26:35.530
learned a ton, um, just by, same thing, you gotta be around it and you have to try to understand

00:26:35.590 --> 00:26:40.130
it other than just, "Hey, we can make athletes." Anybody can make athletes. That's great.

00:26:40.170 --> 00:26:42.030
How can you make them better at their sport, which is why

00:26:42.070 --> 00:26:47.240
they're here. I'm just laughing. My preparation is a sausage, egg, and cheese,

00:26:47.330 --> 00:26:49.030
a coffee. 100%. Um,

00:26:49.450 --> 00:26:53.090
I'm like, "Hey, you know, I'm gonna start swinging with my, with my irons today on the range," and then

00:26:53.170 --> 00:26:54.990
I grab my driver, like two swings later, I'm like, "All right, here we

00:26:55.030 --> 00:26:56.050
go." You know,

00:26:56.470 --> 00:26:57.010
the first time

00:26:57.210 --> 00:26:59.090
I sat in a, sat in a course

00:26:59.130 --> 00:27:02.260
management, um, like the night before a tournament,

00:27:02.570 --> 00:27:06.110
I was sitting in a course management meeting with the head coach and the players.

00:27:07.550 --> 00:27:10.980
The attention to detail, the details that actually matter, and the things

00:27:11.010 --> 00:27:11.839
they're thinking about,

00:27:12.510 --> 00:27:17.040
I was like, "Even if I don't get any better with my club, if I can think about

00:27:17.110 --> 00:27:19.059
some of these things, I think I'll play better

00:27:19.130 --> 00:27:26.170
golf." So it, I mean, it completely changed my mind, um, on what actually matters from

00:27:26.230 --> 00:27:27.970
my standpoint when I'm working with

00:27:28.130 --> 00:27:33.070
different athletes. For sure. I had the opportunity to work with golf at multiple universities too.

00:27:33.210 --> 00:27:36.950
It's been, I think, my favorite sport to work with. I mean, I was a baseball player growing up. So

00:27:36.950 --> 00:27:41.110
fun. And I played baseball, and I worked with baseball and, like, was around some pretty good baseball teams.

00:27:41.730 --> 00:27:45.190
Golf, I, I recommend to all coaches. If you have the opportunity to work with golf,

00:27:45.810 --> 00:27:46.290
absolutely

00:27:46.360 --> 00:27:51.950
take it. I've learned so much from working with golf that's poured in a lot of my other rotational qualities

00:27:52.010 --> 00:27:55.420
that I might be training with somebody else. So- Yeah ... no, it's, it's been really beneficial.

00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:59.190
Plus, their attention to detail with programming

00:27:59.710 --> 00:28:03.230
is awesome. For sure. And I don't know, if, if you are a coach that is still using

00:28:03.290 --> 00:28:07.390
sheets out there and, and that's what you do, fantastic. Your golfers will fill it in perfectly.

00:28:07.950 --> 00:28:08.480
100%.

00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:09.300
Yeah.

00:28:09.300 --> 00:28:14.970
100%. Like, they nail everything down, and it's clearly written, and you can understand all of it, so. For

00:28:15.070 --> 00:28:17.970
sure. Um- It was, uh, we really set it off when we got a track man in

00:28:18.010 --> 00:28:19.190
the weight room. Now, it's-

00:28:20.230 --> 00:28:21.100
Yeah ... we're, we're good to go now.

00:28:21.910 --> 00:28:22.980
So, all right. Question

00:28:23.070 --> 00:28:24.940
for you then. Um, having

00:28:25.010 --> 00:28:30.050
a track background, being around basketball, which is enticing for a strength and conditioning coach. I mean, a lot

00:28:30.090 --> 00:28:31.130
of times you're watching practice,

00:28:31.210 --> 00:28:34.950
thinking about- Yeah ... uh, oh, I could, you know, I could do that. I wanna go do that,

00:28:35.010 --> 00:28:36.010
or you wanna go play.

00:28:36.190 --> 00:28:39.150
Yeah. Uh, you have the itch. Uh, maybe you get a pair of shoes from the team, you wanna go

00:28:39.230 --> 00:28:41.090
use them. Uh- For sure ... and then being around golf

00:28:41.130 --> 00:28:44.090
too, and I know you've had some experience with swim and dive.

00:28:44.210 --> 00:28:47.170
Uh, which sport, while you're watching it out at practice,

00:28:47.590 --> 00:28:50.050
do you wanna be out there playing? Like, which one gives you the biggest

00:28:50.090 --> 00:28:51.010
itch of like, "I wanna get out

00:28:51.070 --> 00:28:56.030
there"? Definitely not track. I don't, I don't miss those practices at all.

00:28:56.910 --> 00:28:57.470
Um,

00:28:58.930 --> 00:29:04.170
to be honest, they're all so different in the way that the athletes are able to perform

00:29:04.190 --> 00:29:05.960
their tasks, and the different sports are all

00:29:06.090 --> 00:29:10.050
so admirable. I love watching them all. They're all so different in their own right, and I know that's a

00:29:10.090 --> 00:29:10.410
PC

00:29:10.470 --> 00:29:12.230
answer, but- ... they're all,

00:29:13.310 --> 00:29:18.010
they're all so fun to watch, which is, I mean, that's why we can do

00:29:18.070 --> 00:29:18.940
these things that we do,

00:29:19.130 --> 00:29:20.050
right? Working with

00:29:20.110 --> 00:29:26.170
hoops was, it's great. I'm super young, I'm still athletic, I'm that guy, I'm bouncy, I'm fast.

00:29:26.730 --> 00:29:29.250
Yeah. I'm watching these guys get up and down the court and dunk

00:29:29.290 --> 00:29:32.050
and shoot and make threes with their eyes shut, and I was like, "I could

00:29:32.130 --> 00:29:32.830
never do that.

00:29:33.210 --> 00:29:37.150
This is fun." Mm-hmm. Oh, now I'm thinking, "Oh, I can make you better, and I can't do that thing?

00:29:37.870 --> 00:29:37.990
This

00:29:38.050 --> 00:29:40.010
is cool. Mm, this

00:29:40.070 --> 00:29:46.070
is fun." So I think, um, for me, it was probably men's basketball, 'cause what they're doing is just

00:29:46.510 --> 00:29:50.250
ridiculous. What they're able to do is absolutely ridiculous.

00:29:51.930 --> 00:29:55.020
I mean, when we had some conditioning sessions, I would be demonstrating, "Hey, this

00:29:55.030 --> 00:29:58.470
is what we're gonna do. We're gonna run here, and, you know, down and back." And four strides for one

00:29:58.530 --> 00:30:03.730
guy is like 20 for me. Yeah. I don't think people understand. If you haven't been around them, I don't

00:30:03.750 --> 00:30:05.070
think they understand how big these guys

00:30:05.150 --> 00:30:06.990
actually are. It's unbelievable.

00:30:07.170 --> 00:30:09.110
They're massive. Just the, the strides down

00:30:09.150 --> 00:30:09.610
the court.

00:30:10.290 --> 00:30:13.950
Oh, yeah. And I, you know, I explain everything. You have your tough face on. You're like,

00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:16.790
"All right," like blow the whistle. Right when you blow the whistle, first rep starts, I bend over, I'm like,

00:30:16.840 --> 00:30:19.270
"Oh, my God." Yeah. "I need some water."

00:30:19.870 --> 00:30:23.650
You think you're good at basketball until you got a seven-footer with his hand in your face.

00:30:24.370 --> 00:30:24.790
Yeah.

00:30:25.970 --> 00:30:29.030
Uh, well, I appreciate everything you've shared thus far, and obviously, you know, your

00:30:29.050 --> 00:30:34.030
attention to detail is clearly reflected in, you know, the success of your teams and what you've been

00:30:34.050 --> 00:30:35.170
able to achieve over the years.

00:30:35.730 --> 00:30:38.030
Like we said, not just track and field, but the other sports as well that you've been

00:30:38.050 --> 00:30:40.090
working with. I wanna shift gears a little

00:30:40.130 --> 00:30:46.270
bit and ask about some of the things that you're doing outside of your full-time coaching position.Uh, you mentioned earlier,

00:30:46.390 --> 00:30:48.230
you know, you're doing a little bit of consulting work overseas.

00:30:48.750 --> 00:30:48.970
From what

00:30:49.030 --> 00:30:50.970
I see and hear, it's becoming more and

00:30:51.010 --> 00:30:55.500
more common practice for strength and conditioning coaches to venture into the world of entrepreneurship

00:30:56.330 --> 00:30:59.100
and leverage their education, their certifications, and coaching

00:30:59.190 --> 00:31:06.140
experiences, and leveraging those to maybe add some additional income. A side hustle- Yeah ... so to speak.

00:31:06.670 --> 00:31:08.970
So what other opportunities have you been able to create for

00:31:09.010 --> 00:31:11.190
yourself? I think

00:31:11.790 --> 00:31:13.190
part of it has

00:31:13.230 --> 00:31:17.130
been... Like, I've, I consult, I work with professional athletes.

00:31:17.730 --> 00:31:21.010
Um, I've, I've done a lot of consulting over the last five

00:31:21.030 --> 00:31:26.950
or six years, and I think part of that has happened because I stopped looking at myself as a strength

00:31:26.970 --> 00:31:30.310
and conditioning coach. When I looked at it as a performance

00:31:30.370 --> 00:31:32.010
coach, that opened up the

00:31:32.070 --> 00:31:35.050
world, 'cause when you're thinking of strength and conditioning, you're thinking about things that you can

00:31:35.070 --> 00:31:37.290
do in the weight room, and, like, how can we make you stronger?

00:31:37.830 --> 00:31:45.050
But there's so many things that are attached to human performance, and how we can make better athletes that aren't

00:31:45.110 --> 00:31:46.050
just tied into

00:31:46.510 --> 00:31:49.050
the X's and O's of concentric, eccentric,

00:31:49.129 --> 00:31:50.890
isometric, but actually

00:31:51.010 --> 00:31:53.450
just skill acquisition and movement.

00:31:53.870 --> 00:31:54.130
And

00:31:54.490 --> 00:32:02.050
whether it's, uh, thought processes or, uh, nutritional abilities, like, there's so many different pieces to the puzzle that we

00:32:02.090 --> 00:32:07.050
can get kinda hemmed in when we only think of ourselves as the strength and conditioning coach.

00:32:07.430 --> 00:32:11.390
So when I took a step back and I thought about athletic performance or human performance,

00:32:11.470 --> 00:32:14.040
I think that opened a ton of doors for me. And consulting

00:32:14.070 --> 00:32:18.050
is great because what are you doing? What, what is consulting? It can be whatever

00:32:18.070 --> 00:32:21.570
you want it to be. And that's, that's the great thing. If you have the experience for it, you can

00:32:21.650 --> 00:32:24.090
really do it in a bunch of different domains, and you don't have to

00:32:24.470 --> 00:32:25.230
silo yourself.

00:32:26.350 --> 00:32:26.580
Mm-hmm.

00:32:26.930 --> 00:32:30.060
When did you... You know, what was that, what was that feeling like when you're like, "Hey, I think I'm

00:32:30.070 --> 00:32:34.010
gonna try to do some consulting work"? Maybe you realized that it, you know, halfway

00:32:34.030 --> 00:32:34.990
through that you're actually doing

00:32:35.050 --> 00:32:39.350
it at the time. Yeah. But what was that like for a coach? When did you start to gain some

00:32:39.410 --> 00:32:44.030
confidence, and like, "Okay, I'm not just Coach Clint Martin in B2 in the weight

00:32:44.070 --> 00:32:48.090
room, but- Mm-hmm ... Clint Martin outside- Mm-hmm ... of these walls, and this is my experience."

00:32:48.130 --> 00:32:52.090
Like, when did you start to gain some confidence behind what you were doing? 'Cause I imagine early on

00:32:52.130 --> 00:32:56.010
it's kind of like, "Ah, this is new to me, and- For sure ... should I

00:32:56.050 --> 00:32:57.850
feel, should I feel guilty about this?"

00:32:58.090 --> 00:32:59.130
Mm-hmm. Like, what would you say

00:32:59.140 --> 00:33:02.090
to that? I'd say I gained confidence

00:33:02.530 --> 00:33:08.270
kinda how we do as coaches when we're first kinda just thrust into it. Um, the first kinda opportunities

00:33:08.450 --> 00:33:14.030
I had really weren't things that I chased after. They were opportunities that I'm like, "Wow, I really need to

00:33:14.050 --> 00:33:15.030
do that if this is an

00:33:15.090 --> 00:33:17.990
opportunity." Mm-hmm. Um, and the first time I was consulting

00:33:18.030 --> 00:33:22.090
overseas, uh, the first day they sent me an itinerary of things I was going to be doing.

00:33:22.130 --> 00:33:23.170
I was meeting with some coaches,

00:33:23.490 --> 00:33:24.270
coaching coaches,

00:33:24.690 --> 00:33:27.650
working with physios, um, working with ATs.

00:33:28.210 --> 00:33:28.590
Um,

00:33:29.070 --> 00:33:31.130
and I got off the plane, and I was overseas,

00:33:31.810 --> 00:33:35.350
and it's 6:30 AM when I get off the plane. I drop my ho- they get me to the hotel,

00:33:35.630 --> 00:33:37.110
drop my stuff off, I get to the office at

00:33:37.170 --> 00:33:37.410
8:00 AM.

00:33:38.010 --> 00:33:40.070
And next thing I know, I am in a room

00:33:40.090 --> 00:33:43.010
with 50 people, and most of them don't speak English,

00:33:43.550 --> 00:33:44.030
and

00:33:44.770 --> 00:33:46.170
I was lecturing for I think six

00:33:46.210 --> 00:33:50.110
hours straight. And that was just... I wasn't expecting

00:33:50.170 --> 00:33:54.050
any of that, but they brought me here because they thought I had a skill set that I could,

00:33:54.210 --> 00:33:55.370
that they, that they could leverage.

00:33:55.890 --> 00:33:56.970
And for me, it was one

00:33:57.010 --> 00:33:59.070
of those things, "Well, well, we're here now.

00:33:59.530 --> 00:34:01.090
This is what I know. This is what I can help

00:34:01.130 --> 00:34:02.410
you do." And

00:34:03.130 --> 00:34:06.970
I was able to kind of continue to do that thing because I realized

00:34:07.110 --> 00:34:11.770
I do have a skill set, and we do have skill sets, and they're not necessarily... It might not be

00:34:11.810 --> 00:34:14.090
the people we think need to have them or need to

00:34:14.110 --> 00:34:16.280
hear them that we actually- Mm-hmm ... need to get those messages

00:34:16.350 --> 00:34:16.989
to. That's

00:34:17.030 --> 00:34:19.110
actually why I started, well, doing more

00:34:19.370 --> 00:34:23.650
speaking here. I never really wanted to do speaking or podcasts

00:34:23.770 --> 00:34:24.989
or anything like

00:34:25.050 --> 00:34:27.530
that. Um, and then Brett Bartholomew,

00:34:27.850 --> 00:34:30.090
I got to know him really well, and he called- Mm-hmm ... me out one

00:34:30.130 --> 00:34:32.230
day, and he said, "Hey, you're gonna be on my podcast."

00:34:32.230 --> 00:34:35.139
I said, "What do you mean? I didn't- ... I don't wanna be on

00:34:35.170 --> 00:34:38.629
your pod-" He goes, "You don't have a ch- you don't have a choice. You're gonna be on my podcast.

00:34:38.730 --> 00:34:42.070
You have stuff that people need to hear, and you need to say

00:34:42.130 --> 00:34:46.210
it." And that was one of the best things I've done,

00:34:46.730 --> 00:34:50.949
um, 'cause you can put skin in the game. We're, we're professionals. We've been doing these things for a

00:34:51.030 --> 00:34:51.969
long time, and we, we

00:34:52.010 --> 00:34:58.130
have a skill set. And I think as athletic performance coaches, we don't give ourself enough credit from that standpoint,

00:34:58.570 --> 00:35:00.050
and we, we sit in the weight room, and

00:35:00.490 --> 00:35:07.350
that's kinda what we do, whereas we, we're not forward-facing, uh, outside of our coaches and our ATs.

00:35:07.390 --> 00:35:11.030
But I think that's something we need to stop doing and stop being quiet on.

00:35:12.650 --> 00:35:13.150
Absolutely,

00:35:13.350 --> 00:35:18.050
and, you know, for those who haven't had the opportunity, and you really should, uh, listen to,

00:35:18.070 --> 00:35:21.060
if you haven't had the opportunity to listen to Brett Bartholomew's podcast,

00:35:21.110 --> 00:35:25.250
Art of Coaching, um, just fantastic podcast, highly recommend

00:35:25.290 --> 00:35:28.890
it. Um, that's awesome to see that he challenged you in that way, and, you know, obviously we've had you

00:35:28.910 --> 00:35:30.030
on multiple times and have you on

00:35:30.090 --> 00:35:34.110
again today because you're right, you do have things to say that, that we really enjoy.

00:35:34.350 --> 00:35:37.070
And that kind of leans into the

00:35:37.650 --> 00:35:37.970
term that

00:35:38.030 --> 00:35:41.030
I used earlier, which is this modern-day strength and conditioning coach, 'cause I agree with

00:35:41.070 --> 00:35:45.370
you, uh, absolutely, that I think we do have education, we do have experiences

00:35:45.450 --> 00:35:45.690
that,

00:35:46.350 --> 00:35:51.070
um, you can go out and coach people and be a useful resource and,

00:35:51.420 --> 00:35:54.790
and help people, and be compensated for it at the same time.

00:35:55.010 --> 00:35:58.190
For sure. And, and we're- There's nothing, there's nothing wrong

00:35:58.230 --> 00:36:01.190
with that. And that's, that's not wrong anywhere but in our space,

00:36:01.250 --> 00:36:01.700
it seems.

00:36:02.270 --> 00:36:03.900
And in fact, chasing

00:36:04.050 --> 00:36:07.070
opportunities that will compensate

00:36:07.110 --> 00:36:12.030
you for helping people will probably provide you with the opportunity to help more

00:36:12.050 --> 00:36:13.270
people. Absolutely.

00:36:14.670 --> 00:36:14.910
So,

00:36:15.350 --> 00:36:15.550
um,

00:36:15.990 --> 00:36:19.030
you know, that's awesome, and, and congrats on, you know, like I said, congrats

00:36:19.050 --> 00:36:21.170
on the success you had so far. Obviously looking forward

00:36:21.210 --> 00:36:26.970
to, you know, what will become of Coach Clint over the years of, of coaching and, and the continued success

00:36:27.030 --> 00:36:31.150
that you will have. Any thoughts about the impact

00:36:32.330 --> 00:36:32.990
that training

00:36:33.030 --> 00:36:34.970
gen pop or- Mm ... private sector

00:36:35.010 --> 00:36:38.050
clientele has had on you as a person and coach?

00:36:40.010 --> 00:36:40.830
It's interesting.

00:36:41.090 --> 00:36:45.230
Um, we'll start with the gen pop question. I haven't really

00:36:45.590 --> 00:36:45.990
worked

00:36:46.410 --> 00:36:48.190
gen pop, or I hadn't really worked

00:36:48.250 --> 00:36:48.730
gen pop

00:36:49.130 --> 00:36:49.990
until COVID

00:36:50.510 --> 00:36:53.010
happened, 'cause I wound up with more time on my hands,

00:36:53.590 --> 00:36:56.930
um-So, 'cause when I started, I started my own coaching company at

00:36:57.090 --> 00:37:00.290
22, and I was working with high school level,

00:37:00.690 --> 00:37:03.430
professional level, college level. It's always been in athletics.

00:37:03.890 --> 00:37:05.090
But I started working with some

00:37:05.110 --> 00:37:05.710
gen pop

00:37:06.050 --> 00:37:13.110
clients just for fun, or most of them were people that I knew, um, and, or retired athletes, whatever

00:37:13.150 --> 00:37:14.190
you wanna call them.

00:37:14.310 --> 00:37:18.090
And next thing you know, like, you're really making a difference in

00:37:18.110 --> 00:37:20.130
people's lives. And that's my

00:37:20.190 --> 00:37:20.990
wife, um,

00:37:21.130 --> 00:37:28.090
she, she's a professional. She works in HR, but she also, she has a degree in kinesiology, and she's

00:37:28.130 --> 00:37:33.110
been a trainer for a decade as well, and she does it with gen pop specifically.

00:37:33.130 --> 00:37:35.950
So every now and then I'll go to a class with her, um, or

00:37:36.010 --> 00:37:36.710
something like that,

00:37:37.250 --> 00:37:41.040
and she doesn't need to do it. She does it because she loves it so much,

00:37:41.110 --> 00:37:46.090
and she'll come in and tell me stories about her classes, and she gets up early. And I'm like,

00:37:46.100 --> 00:37:49.120
"You don't have to do that anymore," but she's like, "No, I love it so much."

00:37:49.650 --> 00:37:50.980
And then once I started doing it, I

00:37:51.010 --> 00:37:57.200
understood because for us, getting up and going to work out and being healthy is something

00:37:57.350 --> 00:38:01.500
we know, something we do. Mm-hmm. When somebody takes on that challenge,

00:38:02.050 --> 00:38:03.010
that can really change

00:38:03.050 --> 00:38:08.150
someone's life. Mm-hmm. So I think that that's a really cool piece that is added into a lot of people's

00:38:08.190 --> 00:38:09.990
lives that I don't think I'm too

00:38:10.010 --> 00:38:13.210
good enough for. Um, so I think if you can make anyone's life

00:38:13.270 --> 00:38:15.170
better, especially through health and movement,

00:38:16.330 --> 00:38:17.020
what better way to do

00:38:17.050 --> 00:38:17.130
it?

00:38:18.430 --> 00:38:18.970
But then from a-

00:38:18.970 --> 00:38:23.170
Yeah, I- Go ahead. Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, I, when I was at UT doing my GA

00:38:23.210 --> 00:38:23.970
there, I, I

00:38:24.050 --> 00:38:29.090
TA'd for, uh, kinesiology, and we had a one-credit course. I taught probably three or four

00:38:29.130 --> 00:38:33.010
of them, and I taught undergrads. And a lot of times at UT, I think, to get to

00:38:33.070 --> 00:38:34.250
full-time you need 12 credits

00:38:34.310 --> 00:38:34.570
maybe,

00:38:35.190 --> 00:38:39.310
um, and it was 11 credits that a lot of engineering students had, so they kind of forced engineering

00:38:39.410 --> 00:38:41.130
students to have one more credit,

00:38:41.710 --> 00:38:41.970
uh, for

00:38:42.030 --> 00:38:46.150
a class. So I taught circuit aerobics, I taught weight training, um,

00:38:46.210 --> 00:38:50.660
all at the rec center, and I'd have, like, 25 students in a class, and kids that have never sniffed

00:38:50.670 --> 00:38:50.990
the weight room

00:38:51.010 --> 00:38:51.650
in their lives.

00:38:52.470 --> 00:38:56.220
Um, and I gotta say, like, those were some of the most rewarding experience I've had coaching.

00:38:56.790 --> 00:39:03.030
Mm-hmm. For sure. When you see that, ah, this is something I could and I should

00:39:03.050 --> 00:39:05.340
and I would love to do, those moments,

00:39:05.370 --> 00:39:09.480
those are pretty cool. Um, like, my wife came in last week, and she's like, "I had somebody at my

00:39:09.490 --> 00:39:14.000
class today who it was their first time ever being around weights," and, like, those are the best days, and

00:39:14.170 --> 00:39:17.130
I get it. I get it now. I didn't for a while, but I, I do understand

00:39:17.210 --> 00:39:17.790
now and I get it.

00:39:19.250 --> 00:39:24.190
Yeah. I, I recall a lot of those students, and it, it, it made me a better coach,

00:39:24.730 --> 00:39:24.980
uh, with

00:39:25.050 --> 00:39:26.010
athletes, you

00:39:26.030 --> 00:39:30.810
know, that were working in, uh, in college. Because if I could get an engineer who's never seen the weight

00:39:30.850 --> 00:39:34.810
room in their life to squat pretty well, like, I should be able to get- 100% ... I should be

00:39:34.850 --> 00:39:36.290
able to get a really high level

00:39:36.970 --> 00:39:38.010
athlete- 100% ... to squat

00:39:38.070 --> 00:39:43.570
really well. It's, it's, it's a new challenge. Um, and that even goes back to, like, the consulting piece, like,

00:39:43.710 --> 00:39:44.310
putting myself

00:39:44.390 --> 00:39:46.010
out there, um, getting some skin

00:39:46.030 --> 00:39:51.030
in the game. Do I think it's harder to coach a room full of 18-year-olds who's been training for

00:39:51.070 --> 00:39:52.990
most of their life or going to a

00:39:53.030 --> 00:39:57.120
foreign country where most people don't speak my language and try to get them to understand how

00:39:57.150 --> 00:39:58.230
we train athletes in the US?

00:39:58.230 --> 00:40:03.050
Mm. That's considerably more challenging than my job day to day, so that made me grow

00:40:03.090 --> 00:40:04.090
as a coach as well. So

00:40:04.110 --> 00:40:05.970
gen pop absolutely will make

00:40:06.010 --> 00:40:06.670
you a better coach.

00:40:07.070 --> 00:40:11.330
You know, everybody's had those 18-year-olds who come in the weight room, they're just wide-eyed.

00:40:11.670 --> 00:40:12.020
You know it's

00:40:12.050 --> 00:40:15.990
gonna be a process. Mm-hmm. Now, you become a better coach when you can get that person

00:40:16.010 --> 00:40:19.990
from A to B. Um, so same thing from a gen pop standpoint. If someone's not

00:40:20.030 --> 00:40:22.050
well-versed, um, in any of those

00:40:22.110 --> 00:40:24.130
health settings, that will make you a better

00:40:24.290 --> 00:40:26.110
coach and potentially person,

00:40:26.250 --> 00:40:28.010
so makes sense to me if you have

00:40:28.050 --> 00:40:30.310
that opportunity. Yeah, absolutely.

00:40:30.370 --> 00:40:35.930
Thank you. And you shared some content on your social, and just so everyone knows, Instagram @clintmarr10,

00:40:36.930 --> 00:40:41.470
uh, and we shared it on our Kaja Community. But you returned to the Rogue Invitational-

00:40:41.470 --> 00:40:46.010
Yeah ... uh, this year for another date with the Dinnie Stones. So- So how did this year go for

00:40:46.130 --> 00:40:47.030
you relative to last

00:40:47.050 --> 00:40:52.190
year's performance? It was interesting in the fact that I,

00:40:52.330 --> 00:40:56.970
I had, I have some data now from the year prior, right? Going in the first year, I had

00:40:57.090 --> 00:41:01.480
no idea what was going on. I was, I was training for it, but, and you don't have an opportunity

00:41:01.490 --> 00:41:03.150
to pull the Dinnies. You just, when they're

00:41:03.220 --> 00:41:06.950
there, that's your one opportunity. You won't see them again until you either go to Scotland or

00:41:07.070 --> 00:41:07.170
they

00:41:07.190 --> 00:41:09.110
bring them to you. Um, so

00:41:09.870 --> 00:41:10.170
it was

00:41:10.230 --> 00:41:13.030
definitely, it was definitely considerably

00:41:13.090 --> 00:41:14.980
better. I think I held the, held the

00:41:15.030 --> 00:41:17.030
stones two and a half times longer than I held

00:41:17.050 --> 00:41:22.330
them the first year. Um, first year I was just so exhilarated from the whole experience.

00:41:22.700 --> 00:41:23.350
Uh-huh. This time

00:41:23.710 --> 00:41:24.030
I,

00:41:24.030 --> 00:41:28.320
I, as soon as the stones slipped out of my hands, I was like, "I wanna go again. I think

00:41:28.410 --> 00:41:33.000
I got more." Um, so it's, it's definitely made me pretty hungry. Um, and the training's been,

00:41:33.650 --> 00:41:36.040
it's been awesome to have something to train for again as well, so that's

00:41:36.090 --> 00:41:37.070
been, it's been really

00:41:37.110 --> 00:41:40.070
fun for me. With a year of experience under

00:41:40.110 --> 00:41:41.010
your belt- Mm-hmm ...

00:41:41.010 --> 00:41:43.070
how did your training change

00:41:43.090 --> 00:41:49.590
compared to last year? It changed consid- I gave myself more time this time. So the first time, same thing

00:41:49.630 --> 00:41:52.990
kinda happened. I was kinda thrown into it. "Hey, you're doing the Dinnie Stones in five weeks." You

00:41:53.010 --> 00:41:54.090
say, "What now?" Okay.

00:41:54.220 --> 00:41:56.010
So that, that's how it happened the first

00:41:56.070 --> 00:41:59.940
time. This year it was more like a, "Hey, uh, you know that thing you let me do last year?

00:42:00.010 --> 00:42:00.110
Can

00:42:00.310 --> 00:42:02.070
I, can I... Okay, we can go again? Cool."

00:42:02.490 --> 00:42:04.190
So I took a 16-week runway

00:42:04.230 --> 00:42:07.130
this time, um, and actually had a, like, a four-month

00:42:07.190 --> 00:42:11.030
prep for it, which

00:42:11.050 --> 00:42:16.510
was great. Um, knowing what, what my limitations were the prior year definitely helped me kinda hone some of those

00:42:16.530 --> 00:42:20.980
things and figure out where I need to spend some more of my effort. Um, it's crazy. I'm 33 years

00:42:21.050 --> 00:42:23.910
old. Um, used to do athletics at a high

00:42:24.030 --> 00:42:28.070
clip. Strongest I'd ever been was this year going into the Dinnie Stones. Wow. So that

00:42:28.090 --> 00:42:30.160
was, that was pretty cool for me, 'cause those were things

00:42:30.210 --> 00:42:34.010
that, I mean, I've had injuries, I've had all types of crazy things, and I never thought I'd get back

00:42:34.050 --> 00:42:35.990
there. Um, couple weeks out leading

00:42:36.070 --> 00:42:39.750
up I'm like, "Oof, we might be able to get some things done this year." So that was, that was

00:42:39.850 --> 00:42:40.110
fun.

00:42:40.250 --> 00:42:43.000
And had a lot of help. Um, had a lot of help with training and

00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:45.030
a lot of support, which is really cool. Last year I kept

00:42:45.070 --> 00:42:46.970
it pretty quiet, 'cause you never know how it's gonna

00:42:47.030 --> 00:42:48.050
go. Uh, but this

00:42:48.110 --> 00:42:52.030
year- Yeah, yeah. ... had a lot of support, and that was, that was really fun, so it

00:42:52.070 --> 00:42:52.150
was

00:42:52.170 --> 00:42:55.170
really cool. Yeah. Not being able to pull them, and like no one ever knew you did that

00:42:55.330 --> 00:42:57.110
this year. Yeah. Like, my first time I ever tried.

00:42:57.670 --> 00:42:58.030
Catch my head,

00:42:58.110 --> 00:42:58.990
walk away, it's all good.

00:43:00.322 --> 00:43:06.702
Um, well if you can kind of place yourself back into that moment of this year, can you describe that

00:43:06.742 --> 00:43:13.842
experience of having all those spectators around you, uh, Dr. Jan Todd, and all these strongmen that you see on

00:43:13.882 --> 00:43:16.102
TV around you- Yeah ... watching you, cheering you on.

00:43:16.122 --> 00:43:16.922
What, what was that like?

00:43:18.482 --> 00:43:21.242
It's, it's humbling to say the least.

00:43:21.662 --> 00:43:23.002
Um, I mean, some of the

00:43:23.722 --> 00:43:26.882
strongest people in the world. When I say some of, I mean the

00:43:27.002 --> 00:43:31.082
strongest men- Yeah ... in the world, and women. There's a couple females there that are

00:43:31.662 --> 00:43:32.642
just unbelievable.

00:43:33.262 --> 00:43:33.742
Um,

00:43:34.722 --> 00:43:37.182
the World's Strongest Man currently from last year, he's

00:43:37.242 --> 00:43:41.002
there. Um, so that in and of itself is just an amazing

00:43:41.062 --> 00:43:42.022
environment. And

00:43:42.062 --> 00:43:48.982
watching them prepare, um, in the ready room and during warmups, it's unlike anything I'd ever seen. And then even

00:43:49.082 --> 00:43:52.082
still, like I've been around strength for a long time, the first time I went to

00:43:52.122 --> 00:43:56.042
the Rogue Games, I'm like, I felt like a, like a neophyte. I was like,

00:43:56.082 --> 00:43:58.042
"I have, I have no idea what's going on. I'm a strength

00:43:58.062 --> 00:43:58.982
coach and I'm, 'Hey,

00:43:59.022 --> 00:44:01.972
hey, come clip this, come do this, come...' All the bars are different." I'm

00:44:02.002 --> 00:44:03.972
like, "This is so different than what I'm

00:44:04.042 --> 00:44:04.442
used to."

00:44:05.002 --> 00:44:07.342
Yeah. Um, so it's, it's definitely

00:44:07.382 --> 00:44:10.242
humbling. Uh, it's really cool to be in, in their presence

00:44:10.302 --> 00:44:12.112
for sure. Uh, the fans,

00:44:12.462 --> 00:44:16.242
like having fans and cameras and all those things, like it's been a while

00:44:16.562 --> 00:44:17.162
since I've been around

00:44:17.222 --> 00:44:17.582
that. So

00:44:18.262 --> 00:44:23.222
to, to be able to do those things again, it's, it's just an awesome experience. Um, if, if you haven't

00:44:23.302 --> 00:44:24.082
had a chance to get out

00:44:24.122 --> 00:44:28.832
to any of the Rogue events, absolutely, if they come to your area, make, make the trip. They're... It, it's

00:44:28.922 --> 00:44:36.722
unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable. Incredible. That's so awesome. So I watched the video a few times and I actually heard, uh,

00:44:36.762 --> 00:44:42.182
through somebody that you said you went with the wrong hand. I did. I switched. I trained a little different

00:44:42.222 --> 00:44:43.022
and then I got

00:44:43.082 --> 00:44:45.062
up there, um, and I pulled

00:44:45.122 --> 00:44:49.382
my, I pulled a little bit heavier than weight in my warmups,

00:44:50.002 --> 00:44:52.012
um, and I did it goofy handed. And I didn't realize

00:44:52.042 --> 00:44:56.201
at the time, but it felt so good that I was like, "Well, I'm gonna do it again."

00:44:58.102 --> 00:44:59.892
It felt, it felt good. It's how I warmed up. And I was like, "We're,

00:45:00.052 --> 00:45:02.002
we're gonna see." A- and then I wound up doing it considerably

00:45:02.042 --> 00:45:03.082
longer. Um,

00:45:03.262 --> 00:45:09.262
so, um, um, that's why I really, I really wanna do it again and get another opportunity next year. And

00:45:09.302 --> 00:45:10.042
Dr. Todd is

00:45:10.061 --> 00:45:11.182
awesome. Mm-hmm.

00:45:11.182 --> 00:45:13.242
Um, she came, she came to the weight room,

00:45:13.762 --> 00:45:16.052
I wanna say it was my last pull day, so I might've

00:45:16.082 --> 00:45:21.922
been like six days out. It was my last pretty... No, I was probably 10 days out. My last really

00:45:22.002 --> 00:45:23.992
heavy pull day. Um, and

00:45:24.082 --> 00:45:28.382
I had my headphones on. I'm locked in. And I look up, and she's sitting there smiling.

00:45:28.402 --> 00:45:31.882
And I said, "Oh, hey, Dr. Todd, how are you?" She's like, "I'm great. I'd really love to see you

00:45:31.922 --> 00:45:32.042
pull

00:45:32.082 --> 00:45:35.002
this before I leave." I'm like, "Oh, no pressure now."

00:45:36.722 --> 00:45:36.982
Uh,

00:45:37.162 --> 00:45:42.022
so no, having her has been awesome, and what I've learned from her and her support has

00:45:42.062 --> 00:45:44.122
been just- Mm-hmm ... unmeasured.

00:45:44.202 --> 00:45:46.982
It's awesome. Right. That sounds something... It sounds like something

00:45:47.042 --> 00:45:49.042
she'd say. "I'd really love

00:45:49.062 --> 00:45:49.942
to see you pull this."

00:45:50.642 --> 00:45:52.442
Yeah. Me too.

00:45:54.062 --> 00:45:54.172
Um,

00:45:54.582 --> 00:45:55.042
so what

00:45:55.062 --> 00:45:59.082
was your time this year? Ish. I wanna say 14

00:45:59.122 --> 00:45:59.432
seconds.

00:46:00.342 --> 00:46:03.122
Mm-hmm. I wanna say around 14 seconds, and last

00:46:03.142 --> 00:46:09.982
year I think it was six. Official prediction for next year. Oh, I'm going 25 plus for sure.

00:46:10.082 --> 00:46:13.851
I haven't hook gripped yet. Everybody hook grips, and they all told me, "When you go... You didn't hook grip

00:46:13.922 --> 00:46:14.082
that?

00:46:14.462 --> 00:46:15.022
No. If

00:46:15.062 --> 00:46:19.642
you hook grip, you're going you're going 20 plus, maybe 40." I was like, "20 or 40 sounds great to

00:46:19.682 --> 00:46:23.002
me, whatever you wanna do." So we're gonna, we're gonna hook grip it next year. We're getting

00:46:23.062 --> 00:46:25.982
after it. 25-plus seconds. I

00:46:26.002 --> 00:46:26.622
got it written down.

00:46:27.312 --> 00:46:29.042
You got it written down. Just get in the game,

00:46:29.082 --> 00:46:32.082
brother. I'm here for you. Um,

00:46:32.422 --> 00:46:33.062
all right. So Clint,

00:46:33.942 --> 00:46:36.102
tell us, what is life like for you outside

00:46:36.122 --> 00:46:43.082
of coaching? Um, on a casual weekend day, what are some of the things that you do to enjoy Austin?

00:46:43.162 --> 00:46:44.002
Well, Austin,

00:46:44.042 --> 00:46:48.442
Texas, is like, if you haven't been here, all right, before you go to a Rogue event, go to Austin,

00:46:48.482 --> 00:46:52.982
Texas. Um, Austin is unbelievable. I know you enjoyed your time down

00:46:53.002 --> 00:46:54.162
here. Um,

00:46:55.082 --> 00:46:55.102
I

00:46:55.162 --> 00:47:00.691
love music. I love music. So the amount of concerts my wife and I go to are, it's kind of

00:47:00.702 --> 00:47:06.002
ridiculous, but we got some plugs. Um, so we go to a lot of concerts. I'm a big foodie.

00:47:06.042 --> 00:47:08.982
We eat a lot of food. Um, I'm also a country boy at heart,

00:47:09.102 --> 00:47:12.122
so- ... if I can get outside on some land,

00:47:12.502 --> 00:47:13.462
get some fishing,

00:47:13.842 --> 00:47:14.122
um-

00:47:14.122 --> 00:47:19.122
... do some shooting, we, we would do that whenever we can too. So definitely a lot

00:47:19.182 --> 00:47:22.442
of, a lot of the outdoors things that Austin has to provide.

00:47:22.822 --> 00:47:23.982
I have a really awesome community

00:47:24.042 --> 00:47:25.102
down here, um,

00:47:25.762 --> 00:47:25.882
not

00:47:26.002 --> 00:47:30.062
just in S&C or athletic performance, but we have a really good community of friends down

00:47:30.082 --> 00:47:30.842
here as well. So we,

00:47:31.382 --> 00:47:33.102
we try to... We don't spend much time

00:47:33.122 --> 00:47:35.112
in the house. We don't spend- Yeah ... a ton of

00:47:35.162 --> 00:47:39.092
time in the house. But yeah, we spend a lot of time with our friends and doing

00:47:39.102 --> 00:47:45.112
things outside. That's terrific. And I'm curious to know a little bit how creating that work-life balance,

00:47:45.902 --> 00:47:49.942
uh, has happened as you've matured as a coach and as a person that's, you know, very

00:47:50.022 --> 00:47:53.042
invested in this field and the people you work with. Mm-hmm. Obviously, you put a lot of time

00:47:53.682 --> 00:47:55.062
into this. Like I mentioned, you're traveling with

00:47:55.102 --> 00:47:55.842
multiple teams.

00:47:56.322 --> 00:48:00.082
Yeah. Um, how has that kind of changed over the years? How have you been able to

00:48:00.102 --> 00:48:04.092
create that, uh, as you've gotten older and still have a lot of the same responsibilities,

00:48:04.142 --> 00:48:06.022
if not more? Yeah. I think

00:48:06.322 --> 00:48:07.022
when you- when I was a

00:48:07.062 --> 00:48:10.752
younger coach, like when I packed up from my hometown

00:48:11.322 --> 00:48:13.202
and I moved across the country to Nevada,

00:48:13.942 --> 00:48:20.142
and you're, you're in your early 20s and you... I moved sight unseen. Got a call on Sunday, moved

00:48:20.182 --> 00:48:21.942
out there Tuesday or Wednesday, something like

00:48:22.002 --> 00:48:22.982
that. I don't know

00:48:23.002 --> 00:48:25.962
anybody. And so what do I do? I just invest my time

00:48:26.002 --> 00:48:29.972
in work. I go to the office at 5:00 and I leave at 10:00 'cause I don't have anything else

00:48:30.002 --> 00:48:35.112
to do. Um, so obviously not a healthy thing to do, uh, but when you're younger and you're just

00:48:35.122 --> 00:48:38.982
trying to invest and spend time, that's what you think you have to do. And then as I

00:48:39.022 --> 00:48:41.082
got older, I realized that

00:48:41.242 --> 00:48:46.082
I can, I can not only get better at my craft by not just sitting in my

00:48:46.162 --> 00:48:46.842
office all day,

00:48:47.382 --> 00:48:51.022
but the things that I do to fill my cup outside of work actually

00:48:51.062 --> 00:48:55.642
make me a better coach. So if I were to only go into the weight room, and then come home

00:48:55.662 --> 00:48:59.162
and think about programming or whatever else I need to do for my next macro

00:48:59.242 --> 00:49:03.162
cycle, then I don't think that would help me pour into my athletes the way I can.

00:49:03.542 --> 00:49:07.252
Whereas, if I spend time with my wife or with my friends,

00:49:07.702 --> 00:49:10.042
I come back rejuvenated, and now my athletes can get that

00:49:10.062 --> 00:49:13.222
best part of me. So I think that is part of it, and that's why I think a lot of

00:49:13.262 --> 00:49:14.162
coaches do get burnt

00:49:14.242 --> 00:49:16.202
out, because, I mean, our profession,

00:49:16.742 --> 00:49:20.162
you have to have a master's degree to get this-... $35,000 job,

00:49:20.802 --> 00:49:25.082
right? Mm-hmm. So we think we have to keep adding letters to the alphabet soup, otherwise we

00:49:25.122 --> 00:49:26.082
can't climb up the ranks.

00:49:26.922 --> 00:49:27.122
For

00:49:27.182 --> 00:49:32.342
me, sure, I have my master's and I have a bunch of certificates and those different things. That's great.

00:49:32.442 --> 00:49:36.862
Um, the things that have helped me climb up the ranks is being really, really consistent. So I, I show

00:49:36.942 --> 00:49:41.952
up, I'd be really consistent for my coaches, and that's in my preparation, that's in the work that

00:49:42.002 --> 00:49:45.592
I'm able to get them, and that's in the quality of product and what I can give to my athletes

00:49:45.622 --> 00:49:49.072
and coaches. Um, then also from that consistency in where I've

00:49:49.102 --> 00:49:51.001
been. I know when I first got in

00:49:51.022 --> 00:49:55.122
the field, it's, you gotta bounce, you gotta get to the next job. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. You gotta

00:49:55.162 --> 00:49:56.202
chase that extra 5K.

00:49:57.002 --> 00:50:00.142
Um, right? Well, 10K, that'll change your life when you're making 35 grand,

00:50:00.222 --> 00:50:04.042
right? Mm-hmm. So you- you're chasing every job you can get. I was at three spots

00:50:04.062 --> 00:50:04.122
in

00:50:04.142 --> 00:50:08.362
my first year and a half, and the next thing I knew I sat down somewhere and I was really

00:50:08.442 --> 00:50:13.002
able to put down roots, enjoy the time that I was spending in the place

00:50:13.062 --> 00:50:16.322
that I was- Mm-hmm ... and then also, like, continue to grow my career.

00:50:16.682 --> 00:50:18.312
So being able to be consistent,

00:50:18.842 --> 00:50:22.062
I think, has been one of the best things for me, and that's consistent at work

00:50:22.082 --> 00:50:29.182
and outside of. Awesome. Really well said. That's terrific. Appreciate it. So thank- thank you for that. Yes, sir. Um,

00:50:29.222 --> 00:50:34.422
I'm curious to know now as you reflect on your career in strength and conditioning, and I know there's still

00:50:34.442 --> 00:50:37.082
some to go, uh, what moments really stick

00:50:37.122 --> 00:50:42.122
out to you? Oh, recency bias at effect right here.

00:50:42.242 --> 00:50:44.082
Um- So

00:50:44.142 --> 00:50:50.442
last week, actually, we were in Denver. Our track staff was in Denver at the Bowerman ceremony, uh, at the

00:50:50.502 --> 00:50:54.042
National Track Convention, which, for those who aren't familiar, the Bowerman is the Heisman of track

00:50:54.062 --> 00:50:57.102
and field. Um, so there's three finalists for men and three finalists

00:50:57.122 --> 00:51:02.462
for women. We were fortunate enough to work with two fantastic individuals, a male and a female, that were finalists.

00:51:03.162 --> 00:51:03.502
Um,

00:51:04.302 --> 00:51:06.252
to see them in that moment

00:51:07.022 --> 00:51:11.042
and then to be able to reflect back to what it took to get them

00:51:11.102 --> 00:51:13.962
there, right? 'Cause you see the performances, you see

00:51:14.002 --> 00:51:18.002
the times, um, you see these flashes of greatness

00:51:18.022 --> 00:51:20.002
all the time. Um, that's what everybody

00:51:20.042 --> 00:51:21.982
sees on the outside. Um, our female

00:51:22.022 --> 00:51:25.202
was actually blessed enough to win, and she deserves it. She's

00:51:25.542 --> 00:51:28.062
fantastic. She d- didn't lose a race in the 100 in the last

00:51:28.662 --> 00:51:29.202
16

00:51:29.962 --> 00:51:31.122
months or something like that in college.

00:51:31.142 --> 00:51:32.822
It was unbelievable. Um,

00:51:33.082 --> 00:51:36.042
but to see where she was five years ago when she

00:51:36.082 --> 00:51:40.982
got here, and now what she's grown into as a, an athlete and then also

00:51:41.022 --> 00:51:41.522
as a woman,

00:51:42.102 --> 00:51:44.802
like, that thing... I'm getting choked up a little bit. Like, that's-

00:51:44.802 --> 00:51:46.272
Mm-hmm ... the thing that,

00:51:46.602 --> 00:51:47.982
like, those are the moments. That's why we do

00:51:48.162 --> 00:51:50.892
what we do, right? So I think, uh,

00:51:51.002 --> 00:51:55.042
moments where, one, you can see all the hard work pay off,

00:51:56.242 --> 00:52:01.072
those are the things that, like, really, really stand out to me. And then with that,

00:52:01.422 --> 00:52:03.232
I think my head coach said it last week, with

00:52:03.322 --> 00:52:04.971
that, like, those moments of

00:52:05.002 --> 00:52:07.012
failure that a- athletes are able to come

00:52:07.082 --> 00:52:09.062
back from, that's an- that's another

00:52:09.122 --> 00:52:12.022
piece of it that none of this happens without failure along the way.

00:52:12.562 --> 00:52:16.382
Um, failure on my part, failure on the athlete's part, failure on somebody's

00:52:16.462 --> 00:52:19.022
part. Like, it's not gonna be all sunshine and rainbows on

00:52:19.062 --> 00:52:21.082
the on the road to success.

00:52:21.082 --> 00:52:22.112
Right. So being

00:52:22.222 --> 00:52:24.162
able to, being able to have a roadblock,

00:52:24.802 --> 00:52:28.922
being able to sit down, figure out how we get across that, get around that, get through

00:52:29.002 --> 00:52:34.102
that, um, and then make our way to the rest of our story, whether that's success in athletics

00:52:34.162 --> 00:52:41.352
or elsewhere. Um, but watching the process, and I keep saying that, but not just the training process, but watching

00:52:41.362 --> 00:52:46.142
the growth process is something that's just really awesome for me, and those are the moments that, like, really stick

00:52:46.202 --> 00:52:47.042
out for me as a coach.

00:52:47.802 --> 00:52:48.052
Mm-hmm.

00:52:48.442 --> 00:52:48.842
Terrific.

00:52:49.332 --> 00:52:55.102
I really appreciate you sharing that and, and everything that you've, uh, said today. It's really awesome and, and appreciate

00:52:55.222 --> 00:52:58.982
your time. For people that want to reach out to you or get in touch with you, what's

00:52:59.002 --> 00:52:59.062
the

00:52:59.102 --> 00:53:01.962
best way to, uh, uh, get in touch with you

00:53:02.062 --> 00:53:02.362
and,

00:53:03.082 --> 00:53:07.042
um, uh, be able to use you as a resource potentially?

00:53:07.842 --> 00:53:09.062
DMs or emails,

00:53:09.462 --> 00:53:11.182
for sure. I- if you DM me, I'll probably

00:53:11.202 --> 00:53:16.112
see it at some point. If you email me, I'll absolutely see it today. Um, so- ... DMs and emails,

00:53:16.162 --> 00:53:17.072
and those are on, you can

00:53:17.102 --> 00:53:22.682
find those on the websites, uh, on UT's website. I'm clint.martin@utexas.edu.

00:53:23.202 --> 00:53:25.982
Um, like I said, and if... I've never not responded to an email.

00:53:26.142 --> 00:53:28.182
You can check me. If there's anybody on here I haven't

00:53:28.202 --> 00:53:28.602
responded to-

00:53:28.602 --> 00:53:34.802
... I don't believe it. Um, I will always respond to your emails. Um, and then DMs, more than likely

00:53:34.822 --> 00:53:38.362
I'll be able to get back to you as well. But I love to converse. I mean, I talk to

00:53:38.601 --> 00:53:41.042
former interns. I actually have a call with an intern here as soon as we get

00:53:41.062 --> 00:53:43.222
off this call. Um, but I love to talk shop.

00:53:43.762 --> 00:53:46.182
I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for people taking

00:53:46.242 --> 00:53:48.082
time for me, um, and people

00:53:48.682 --> 00:53:51.982
letting me lean on their experience. So I try to give, pay that forward as

00:53:52.022 --> 00:53:56.962
well. Yeah. I'll just say it again. There's, there's a lot of really good ones in the field.

00:53:57.062 --> 00:53:59.062
Clint is up there with, with some of the best,

00:53:59.142 --> 00:54:02.062
so definitely encourage people who are listening in to

00:54:02.082 --> 00:54:06.942
reach out to Clint. Uh, he's got a wealth of knowledge and experience, and very humble, and, and, you know,

00:54:07.062 --> 00:54:12.042
highly recommend reaching out to him and, and creating a relationship with Clint, so appreciate that, Clint. Absolutely.

00:54:12.042 --> 00:54:13.102
Um, couple of quick

00:54:13.122 --> 00:54:15.922
hitters here- Mm ... uh, to wrap it up. A, a lightning round, so to

00:54:16.002 --> 00:54:16.942
speak. You ready to go? Yes.

00:54:17.302 --> 00:54:21.361
Let's do it. Favorite barbecue in Austin? Styles Switch.

00:54:21.762 --> 00:54:23.171
Big ol' ribs. The be- Need it ... the beef

00:54:23.242 --> 00:54:23.492
rib.

00:54:24.082 --> 00:54:27.942
Oh. Need it. Gotta have it. I might go get one right now. Gotta have it. You paused the lightning

00:54:27.982 --> 00:54:28.992
round by saying that for

00:54:29.082 --> 00:54:35.962
me. The beef rib at Styles Switch every Sunday before NFL games, that was my move. It's one rib. It's

00:54:36.002 --> 00:54:37.982
just... Oh, yeah, gotta have

00:54:38.022 --> 00:54:38.102
it.

00:54:38.682 --> 00:54:38.882
All right.

00:54:39.262 --> 00:54:39.802
Favorite taco?

00:54:41.042 --> 00:54:43.032
Granny's Tacos. All

00:54:43.082 --> 00:54:45.062
right. Favorite piece of Keiser equipment

00:54:45.102 --> 00:54:51.022
to train on? Ooh, leg press/air squat. I love them both simultaneously. Both of them.

00:54:52.262 --> 00:54:55.222
You mentioned concerts and going to a lot of great concerts. Favorite concert

00:54:55.262 --> 00:54:57.122
you've been to? That's not

00:54:57.182 --> 00:54:57.832
fair. Uh-

00:55:00.122 --> 00:55:01.942
Uh, I'll have to

00:55:02.002 --> 00:55:04.122
go with Kid

00:55:04.202 --> 00:55:04.542
Cudi.

00:55:06.002 --> 00:55:09.042
It's unbelievable. But there's been so many good. Cudi was

00:55:09.082 --> 00:55:13.062
unbelievable. All right. If something else comes up, you let me know, but I see

00:55:13.102 --> 00:55:15.202
there's a lot of other ones in there. There's so many.

00:55:15.542 --> 00:55:17.222
Chris Stapleton was unbelievable.

00:55:18.142 --> 00:55:19.182
Yeah, there's so many.

00:55:19.662 --> 00:55:22.082
I saw Stapleton 2016 ACL. Incredible.

00:55:22.762 --> 00:55:23.022
Incredible. So

00:55:23.062 --> 00:55:26.462
good. So good. I saw him in October this year. It was incredible.

00:55:26.942 --> 00:55:27.462
Unbelievable.

00:55:29.132 --> 00:55:30.042
Oh, man, that's awesome. All

00:55:30.072 --> 00:55:33.062
right, uh, area, outside of strength and conditioning that you're really curious

00:55:33.072 --> 00:55:36.942
about? Curious or I dabble in, like

00:55:37.052 --> 00:55:42.102
I like to look at it? Either. Uh, I really like history, specifically, like, military history.

00:55:44.012 --> 00:55:46.992
I just finished re-watching Band of Brothers and the Pacific again

00:55:47.012 --> 00:55:50.012
for, like, the 10th time. Yeah, boy. Like the 10th time. I knew I liked you... I knew I liked

00:55:50.032 --> 00:55:53.072
you for some reason. I can't stop. I'm gonna watch it again probably over

00:55:53.132 --> 00:55:53.952
break. Nope.

00:55:54.052 --> 00:55:54.312
Um,

00:55:55.472 --> 00:56:01.962
last one, score prediction for the Texas-Washington college football semifinal. Oof. I'm not gonna get messy. You know me, I'm

00:56:01.992 --> 00:56:06.212
PC. Um, I think it's a 10-point dub, Longhorns

00:56:06.252 --> 00:56:10.952
in New Orleans. All right, which I hear you're going to, correct? I am going, for sure.

00:56:11.012 --> 00:56:13.992
I gotta support the boys. Incredible. Well, we'll have evidence

00:56:14.032 --> 00:56:15.942
either, uh, on that, and,

00:56:16.052 --> 00:56:20.912
uh, if you've never emailed anybody back, and 25-plus seconds for next year. Yes, sir. So we have you written

00:56:20.952 --> 00:56:21.082
down

00:56:21.132 --> 00:56:23.012
for all three. You got me. Check

00:56:23.052 --> 00:56:27.532
in on me next time. Uh, awesome, Clint. Thank you so much for joining me today? on the Keiser Human

00:56:27.552 --> 00:56:30.152
Performance Podcast. Appreciate your time. It's always great.

00:56:30.172 --> 00:56:31.242
to catch up. Wishing

00:56:31.312 --> 00:56:33.291
you and Stormy, uh, and your families,

00:56:33.712 --> 00:56:40.382
uh, happy holidays and a happy and healthy new year. And if 2024 can be half as good as 2023,

00:56:40.492 --> 00:56:43.092
then I imagine it's gonna be another great year for you.

00:56:43.792 --> 00:56:46.002
All right, happy holidays, brother. Thanks for having me. on. All

00:56:46.072 --> 00:56:52.252
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