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In this episode of the Keiser Human Performance Podcast, Donnie Maib shares reflections and perspectives from his extensive career in strength and conditioning, offering valuable insights into athlete development, performance, and longevity. Drawing from his experience working with athletes across multiple levels, Maib emphasizes the importance of building strong foundational habits, prioritizing consistency, and adapting training approaches to meet individual needs. The conversation explores how the industry has evolved over time, highlighting the growing integration of technology, data, and evidence-based practices. Maib also reflects on leadership, mentorship, and the role of coaches in shaping not just better athletes, but more resilient individuals. Ultimately, the episode underscores that long-term success in performance is driven by a balance of science, experience, and a commitment to continuous learning.
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Welcome to the Keiser Human Performance Podcast.
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The goal of this podcast. is to educate and inspire you to make the most of your
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journey in health and performance.
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Each episode will provide an in-depth discussion on a specific topic related to human performance.
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If you're a growth-minded individual seeking knowledge and better solutions,
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this podcast is
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for you. We're glad you're listening
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in, and we're excited to learn alongside
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you. My name is Gabe German. I'm alongside my co-host, Todd
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Tuken. On today's episode, we are joined by a great friend, Coach Donnie May.
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Donnie's in his 25th year of coaching, and currently serves as the head coach for Olympic sports and assistant athletic
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director for athletic performance. at the University
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of Texas. Donnie is a master strength and conditioning coach, and has been a part of three national championships at
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Texas, including the 2005 football
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team. Donnie's a motivational speaker,
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and is passionate
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about teamwork, excellence, and leadership.
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To learn more about his experience and services, you' can visit donnymay.com and follow him on
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Instagram
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@donnymay. We' also recommend you' check out the UT Athletic Performance podcast series titled The Team Behind
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the Team. On this
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episode, Donnie provides some reflections on his journey, both professionally and personally. We' discuss the topics of stability,
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growth,
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and work-life
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balance. Later in the episode,
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he shares with us what might be next for
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Donnie May, and provides us a sneak peek at a book he is writing.
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We hope
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you. enjoy. D Meezy, big baby.
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What's going
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on, fellas? Donnie, thank you for being us, uh, being here with us today.
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We're incredibly grateful to sit down and listen
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to you talk. Uh, we always appreciate your time and, and love to be here with you. What's
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going on?
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You know, coach, just, uh, we finally got our first...
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I think we're gonna get into the 40s here in Texas. Todd's here in Texas now, but for me
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personally, that is, uh, that's always a sign of
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fall that's headed, headed our way and holidays.
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So man, it's been a busy,
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very busy semester. Like normal, it's been crazy, but I'm excited about this change of weather in Texas,
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but all is well in Austin.
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Good. We're glad to hear
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it. So okay, Donnie, you've been at the University of Texas
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since 1998.
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Very impressive, and I know you're a man. of humility,
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but it feels like at this point, UT athletic
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performance is basically synonymous
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with
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Donnie May. And it makes us wonder, in a world that's ever-changing, people coming and going,
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strength and conditioning coaches leaving for new opportunities, head sport coaches hired
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and fired, how have you been able to be such a stable force at Texas Athletics? What has been the
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key for you to create
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stability there? I' mean, I think that question,
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you
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know, first of all, it's a great question.
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I think there's, I think there's multiple layers to that. I
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think number one, as you were talking,
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I... And then Todd and I have, and have talked about this
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over the years,
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um, just about burnout,
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you
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know. Uh, I just got back
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from a, an, a s- like an AD conference in Nashville,
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and people are leaving, not just strength and conditioning,
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but they're leaving college athletics, like, in droves. And I think the level
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of burnout, um,
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has probably reached an all-time high, I think,
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coming through. I think there's a couple pieces of that, right? I think coming through the pandemic made people rethink
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their careers, and then with, with budgets being strapped and probably staff
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being trimmed down, people are being just overworked and underpaid.
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So I think that's one piece that's current, that's more
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relevant to what's happening right now.
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Uh, I think for the long-term picture to be at a place like Texas,
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I think you've really gotta,
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you've gotta just be able to reinvent yourself
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throughout the years.
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I think, uh, the biggest
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challenge I still face today, and I faced this, I, I was having a conversation about this
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at this AD conference, was, like, strength and conditioning coaches, we get,
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we get labeled,
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right? And you get kinda put in a box and go, "Oh,
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that guy can only do that," or, "That, that gal, she can only do that. That's
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all she can do." And, and a lot of times,
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some of our strength coaches are some of the most talented, professional people on, in, in this career
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field. And what I mean by that is they're very administrative, they're very organized. They work across multiple departments
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and, and units within a large organization. So you get, you get
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snapshots of how different departments work, and you have to develop people skills and perspectives from different angles and different
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people in different departments.
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So I think really having to fight that, be intentional about
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reinventing
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yourself, getting outside of the weight room, getting on different councils, taking leadership courses,
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working... Even serving in different departments, I've done some of that over the years, I think is huge,
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uh, to help you kind of create that longevity within a department in a big
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school.
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And if, if I can jump in there, and, uh, this will go into our conversation later too when we
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talk
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about growth. One thing that I've, I appreciated when I was on your staff is how intentional you were about
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the growth of
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your staff. So bringing in guest speakers, whether it's from the business
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school, or bringing in outside coaches from
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other countries. Can you kinda talk a little bit on when that started for you and why that was so
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important?
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Yeah, I think that's a good
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question, Todd.
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I think back when I first started coaching,
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we used to... This is, like, back in, like, the old days before we had podcasts and clinics
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and symposiums,
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and
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we used to... ISSA used
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to bring, uh, they started these, like, weekend seminars.
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And I used to get so
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mad, Todd and Gabe, when I used to have to work these things.But
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it was kinda... Looking back, it was kind of a foundation of who I am as a coach, right?
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'Cause we would bring in, like, the... I'm gonna date myself here, but, like, Fred Hatfield,
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Charles
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Staley, uh, Poliquin. I mean, we would bring in some of these.
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During their time, these were, like,
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pioneers in our profession of strength and conditioning and, like, performance,
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right? And I would go pick these guys up at the airport. I was the guy that would
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always be holding the sign.
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Go get these guys. I was the little gopher,
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you know, pick 'em up- Did you have the hat
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on? Yeah, I'd have a hat on sometimes. Did you, did you have the driver hat on
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too?
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No, no. I should
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have probably, though. But I'll never forget, like, picking up Fred Hatfield, and he was grilling me in the truck
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on the way back to the weight room in
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Boulder that, "Why do you say strength and conditioning? Like, to me, it's, uh, basically saying the same thing,
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saying strength and strength."
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And so I was, like, this young
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coach just soaking up this knowledge
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of these, like, pioneer guys, uh, teaching curriculum that nobody was teaching at the time.
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So I think
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that was a, early on, and I was 24, 25 at the time, was probably a, a foundational principle and
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that would serve true my whole life that's kinda, it's impacted. I mean, even
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today, I mean, I mean, I got back from Nashville just
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two weeks ago,
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three weeks ago, and still just trying to learn from people, even people that are younger than I am, you
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know, and just trying to get a fresh perspective and lens of how you see the career and how you
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evaluate and make decisions and network with people. Um, I think that's something. And I think, Todd, you
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said this when you were here. I got
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this from you kinda, but I'd rather spend more money on our professional development than I do on equipment, you
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know. I think that sends a message
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of what you value as
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a leader and as a staff. Now, I don't know that we technically
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do that, but I think that's a good principle and, and model to follow for any kind of staff you
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have. So Donnie,
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let's go back even further before you were picking up people from the airport
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and a little bit, uh, a younger, younger
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Donnie. Have you always had that mindset of growth and looking to learn from others, and, and how did you
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develop
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that? Honestly, I think for me, you know, I always talk about this
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in, like, there's always a dark side to leadership, you know, and there's a book called, it's called
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The Dark Side of Leadership, and it's a phenomenal
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read, and it's not really, like, a...
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It doesn't go into, like, the X's and O of leadership. It goes to kinda,
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like, why do you lead the way you lead, right? And so take, for example, to be transparent,
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I had a very dysfunctional, broken home growing up
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in Tennessee. My parents divorced
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when I was really young. There's a, there was a lot
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of pain there. I,
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I, um... Fortunately, sports became that outlet for me that I could latch into and find identity
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and purpose and kinda find... Really it was a safe haven for
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me. 'Cause
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I would, I
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didn't wanna go home, and so,
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uh,
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I would stay at the gym and just
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work out extra so I, I didn't have to go home.
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And so I got addicted to training and lifting. Back then, reading Muscle & Fitness was the deal,
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taking, uh, supplements.
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Uh, the bus would drop me off early in the morning at the school, and I'd have an hour,
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and everybody'd be sitting in the hallway just chit-chatting and, like, you know, just
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wasting time. I literally would sneak down the hallway and get into the weight room by myself with one overhead
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light kinda shining in the room, and I would just train by
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myself in the
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dark.
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And at night I'd... Back then you had big, these big boom boxes. At night
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I'd get up in my room, lock myself up in my room,
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and
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I had a big boom box, and would play,
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like, Run-DMC and, like,
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you
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know, music like that, and, like, Def Leppard. This is back in the '80s. I'm dating myself again. But
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I would get there, and, and I had a DP weight set. It was a concrete weight set. And I
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would train with concrete weights
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at night for, like, 30 minutes to an hour before I'd go to bed. And so I just got
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this kinda high, an addiction to training,
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even at a young age. And so that, that kind of growth
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mindset was part of who I was early on and kind of gave me an outlet to how I dealt
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with, like, pain and dysfunction at home. And it, it's kinda has been the, it's kinda been the,
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the, the, my saving grace my whole life, I'd say.
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And now how about when you transitioned? 'Cause I, I'm not sure if all of our listeners know, but,
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uh,
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you know, Donnie was a pretty dang good football player and spent some time at University
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of Georgia, uh, at, playing football there. So as you transitioned from at home into college,
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is that something that followed you, like, that growth mindset? Were there certain figures or influential people in your
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life once you got to University of Georgia that kind of helped continue to foster your desire to grow?
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Yeah, I love, that's a, I love that. You made me, a lot of memories just flash
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before me right there. But there's a quote I
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wanna share, and I think,
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uh, I think that's pretty,
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uh,
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appropriate
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for this. But... And it's kinda, I done forget where I got this, but it's, like, "A lot
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of people sit in their ship metaphorically. S- you know, you're sitting in your ship and you're waiting for this
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wind to blow and you'll set the sail,"
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right? But it's actually
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the opposite. If you'll set your sail and be ready, the wind will eventually come.
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That's kinda what happened to me at Georgia.
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Again, I went through a dark season of, uh,
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just
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struggle and
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trial. It's funny how to me,
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when we all go through these seasons and struggle, I call 'em, like, crucible
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moments, right, where you just are really in a, a bad season of life, of stress, and things aren't going
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your
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way, and you gotta figure
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out... I think it always comes back to your identity and purpose, like,
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who you are and what your core values are and, like, what you, why
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you here. And so I'll never forget, I, I wasn't starting. I was on the scout team at, at Georgia.
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And man, guys were bigger and stronger and faster. And my dad, you know, I r- I was talking to
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my dad about quitting and transferring, and he, he sent me this
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article that was written about me, and he had me read it.
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He sent it to me in the mail, and it was just talking... It was me
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just being interviewed to remind me of, like, who I am as a person and what I believed
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in. And it kinda woke me up from, like,
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this, like, self-pity thing I was
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in, and it kinda was like a smelling salt to me. So I got back
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to life, started training again, and I ended up meeting-As fate would have it, I ended up meeting this guy,
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uh, i- it was a place called Gold's
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Gym. Uh, I'd go train
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on my own, just back during the, the '80s
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and '90s when, uh, they didn't log hours, so I'd go train on my own when we weren't training with
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football 'cause I wanted to get better. And I ended up meeting this guy by
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the name of Coleman. This guy ended up being like a guru in
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strength and conditioning. So he starts training me one-on-one.
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And dude, I tell you what, I got bigger. I
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started-- I got my bench and squat up really high, ended up starting for Georgia.
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So that was a, that was a, a key pivotal moment. Again, it goes back to that point of
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what you said, like, this hunger to grow and improve and, and develop myself
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so I could make a difference, uh, on my team. And so that desire has
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never gone away in my life.
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It's always been a catalyst in a season of struggle to
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get me out of it, to figure out, okay, how can I reinvent myself? How can I get better?
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How can I make a difference in my, in, in this team that I'm on? And so that's
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been a big piece of it. And s- And so when, when you were at
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Georgia, you were an art
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major, and you were known as Picasso in
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Pads. I hated it, Todd. I hated
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it. But there's a lot of similarities between your creative ability with
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art- Right
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... and then your, your creative ability in how you wanted to reinvent yourself, and how
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you always wanted to be better.
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So was that a reason you were drawn
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to art, or is
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that something that you were just interested
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in? Well, I think, to your point, I've always had this creative side,
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um, to me. I've always
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been, like, a, a deep
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thinker. I, I've always was that guy that, like, I've always had, like, one or two really
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good friends and,
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you know, would kind of
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g- be good if you just put me up on a mountain and let me sit in a little tent,
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like, think about
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life right? I've always been that kind of guy, like, a deep... But those, those kind of
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types are tend to be a little
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bit loners. Uh, you can be a little bit more prone to depression.
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So I've always had that kind of edge to me. Um, but and I'm aware
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that, again, going back to that dark side of leadership
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I mentioned earlier, that you've gotta know your weaknesses as a leader and know how to manage yourself through those
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seasons. So I think the one thing that's, that's always kind of helped me
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is, uh,
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being creative. And then because my dad was really good at art and he was creative, Todd, that
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kind of made me pursue
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art. And then it's funny, to your... You know, it's kind of ironic
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'cause I end, up taking art
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and I think, "Oh." I got into coaching, like, I'm never gonna use art, and I end up using my
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degree, I think, more than I've used it at any
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other thing, with all the speaking I've done, developing
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my own slides. You know, just thinking outside the box, having a different range of how I view, uh, problems
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and work with people, just being creative, and just even develop
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myself, it's been a, it's been a huge thing for me, actually,
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to, to be quite honest. So it's been huge.
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Yeah, and as you kind of now move forward, uh, into your years at Texas, and you're now
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sitting as a director, I believe since 2011.
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Is that right?
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Yes. Yeah, since 2011.
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So,
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um,
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how have you been able to ensure that with so much responsibility
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and such a fluid environment that you've still been able
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to continue to grow as an individual? Um, and you know, Todd had mentioned being in your
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office and making time
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for others. And you know,
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if you've ever been in Nez and B2 down there, you know sitting in Donny's office
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is a pretty special thing. He always makes time for others. How have you been able to make sure that
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you can still take care of yourself and you can still continue to grow as Donny May?
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I think for me, the way I'm wired, kind of going back to that, like, I just, I
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honestly, I'm just not very happy if I'm not... you know, if I don't feel like I'm improving or working
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on something. Um, I get
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stagnant, and then I start losing motivation,
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um,
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and I just kind of hit a, a standstill. And then that's when I realize, like, dude, I've gotta,
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I've gotta rethink this. I've gotta,
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I've gotta find, like, my next niche that I need to work on or next problem
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to solve, uh, or next project to work on. And so
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I think for me, it's always been having that...
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I, this is the only way I know how to say it. You've gotta keep your
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feet on the ground, but you've always, always gotta look at that 50,000 foot view of, like, where you're headed.
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And
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so the view from up above will keep you excited and motivated, but the, when you're down on the
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ground, that's where you gotta do the hard work and roll up your sleeves
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and stay, stay present and relevant.
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And so I think not losing that vision of, like, where I'm going and what could possibly
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be
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in the future gets me fired up and excited.
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Um, I mean, going to this
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leadership conference with all the ADs and hearing, seeing all these younger people getting these big jobs and
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hearing how people are addressing problems and solutions they're coming up with I've never heard, I mean, that kind of
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stuff kind of gets you going, you know? At least it does me.
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And, uh, that gives me hope too, because
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I can see, like, hey, this is where
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I could be if I'll, if
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I'll commit, dedicate myself, and put the time and the work in and work on myself.
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This is the possibility.
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And ha- And then I think the other piece of that, Gabe, is you gotta sit
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down and have very candid, intentional conversations
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with people in your life to let them know what you're, what you're working on.
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I think in the past I've not done that, and so you kind of
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spin your wheels a little bit. So you've not only gotta work on yourself, you've gotta take that next
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step and have conversations with people,
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like, "Here's what I'm working on.
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Here's my goal. Help me get there." And people will
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do that once you start, once you kind of pursue it. So I think that's the other piece to that.
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Yeah. So let's talk about some of those people in your life a little bit. And, and
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you had mentioned having this view, this look ahead, feet on the ground, but look ahead, and we have a
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couple questions later that are related to that, which we're really excited to talk about. But for
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the people who have been a part of your
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life, you know,
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from the start o- of coaching,
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moving forward, like, how have you been
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able to... and I think this is some good perspective for some younger coaches as well, and some people in
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the business, is-The idea of work-life balance, like you're starting as a coach,
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and then,
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you know, you,
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you marry Miss Karen, and you start to have a family together.
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How did you go through... Take us through, like, what it was like being a coach and, and, you
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know, putting in the time and, and the hours that it takes to be a really great strength and conditioning
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coach, but then also starting to balance these new things in your life, like having a wife and having
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daughters and having a family.
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Yeah, I think the, I think the hardest thing for people, and I mean, I'm... Todd
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has worked with me, and you have too, but Todd's definitely seen me up close.
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This is a challenging, most challenging thing, right, what I'm about to say, just creating boundaries in your life, right?
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Um, where you're making time for your family and for yourself and not, not getting
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run down too much. So I've definitely have been guilty of that, and still will sometimes.
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But I think, again, it goes back to, like,
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I keep kind of referencing, but that dark side, you know, growing up in a, in a
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family that was so dysfunctional,
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in so much pain. The number one thing that I've always wanted,
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Gabe, is I've wanted a
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healthy, strong,
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beautiful
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family. I didn't say perfect now. Our
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family's not perfect. But like last
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night, uh, before I came, you know, I got
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home a little early. We had dinner together as my, my, my... All my girls are in town, like Isabelle,
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Anna, Evelyn, and all the girls are getting older.
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They're all, they're all in town
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right now, and we all took the dogs on a walk.
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And I'm just walking around this neighborhood, and I'm 52 years
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old, and I'm like, "Man, our family is so awesome."
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Now, again, we've got some craziness in there. I won't get into some of that, but-
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... like, dude, our family, like this is the
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dream that I dreamt of back when I was 23, 24,
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25 of, of not just having a great job, but man, more, more than I wanted
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a great job, I wanted an amazing and beautiful family that was intact. We love each
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other. We're good
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friends, right? And it goes back to that l- definition of success, right? And my definition success, success
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is this, right, to have the
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love, admiration, and respect
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of those closest to me. That means my wife and my girls. I want their love, their admiration,
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their respect first. Not just people in the career
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field or my administrators up
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here. Like, that's great to have that, but
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I think a lot you can, as a, as
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a coach, is... that's maybe successful, you can have, like, maybe your players or people in your career field that
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really look up to you, but maybe your wife and your kids don't trust or respect you 'cause you don't
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have a relationship
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with them. And so I think you gotta evaluate that lens of, like, what makes you successful, and for
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me, it starts at home.
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'Cause...
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And I said this to, uh, we were at this, this conference a few weeks ago. A lot of leaders
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think that
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their job, you know, it, it... Their family sometimes can kind of pull on them and take away from their
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leadership at their job, right? They, they'll, they'll say
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that. I f- I think the opposite. The, the better husband and dad I am,
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the better a leader
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I am at work. And so I just have flipped kind of my perspective and lens and mindset of, like,
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what makes me successful
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here. If I'm a, if I'm a better husband to, to, to Miss
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Karen, and I am a great dad to my girls, when I come up here and work with
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my staff and with my players and athletes and coaches, I'm gonna be more compassionate,
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I'm gonna be more patient, more understanding,
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more
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relevant than I think if I'm disconnected from them. So I think that's a, a priority and a
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tenet for me for succes-
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success. And is that something that you preach to your
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staff now? I, I wouldn't say that I necessarily preach it, but if somebody comes to me and their family,
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they're sick,
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or somebody's hurting, I'm like, "Dude,
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just get out of here."
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This is not that important compared
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to what you're dealing with. You know, just, I just try to, I try to re- remember and
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really reiterate to, to staff,
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like, "Hey, we gotta... We have a team up here for a reason, and we don't have to have you
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up here every single
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day of the week. Like, if you need time away, like, or if you need to go see your, your
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sister or your dad or
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a cousin, like get, book the flight,
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get the hotel, and get, get out of here and go see them, 'cause this is not priority.
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Uh, your family's way more
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important than anything we do here at Texas."
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Yeah, that's awesome, and I'm just,
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you know, smiling, really happy for you, and, and, and the scene that you painted for us of you walking
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yesterday with the dogs is, is awesome. And, uh, you know, we're happy for you that you can have those
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moments and enjoy those moments, which is great. So, um, as we kind of continue to reflect,
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uh, back a little
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bit, this is a question I love to ask people is, if you could go back and give young Donny
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some advice,
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and
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you could talk to him, what kind of advice would you give to your younger self?
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Yeah, that one's always... That's a such a good one. I think, again,
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I don't know that
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this is, that you're capable of doing this, but I,
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I would say, um,
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when I first got into the field, I just was way too serious.
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Because you guys know me now, but
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I just took, I just took things way too personal.
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Um, I mean,
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I remember my first two years of coaching,
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I almost quit and tried to change career fields 'cause I was just absolutely miserable at Colorado,
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and I just didn't have the perspective
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of, like, how do you
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manage my... You know, how do you manage
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your boss? How do
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you build good relationships and rapport with your coworkers?
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Um, and ho- honestly,
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a lot of it comes back to what I just said earlier in this
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talk is, like, you gotta be able to be an advocate for yourself and stand up and,
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and set boundaries. 'Cause as a young coach, I,
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I think I said yes to everything. I was afraid to speak up, and, and I ended up getting, like,
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really angry. And you
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get, you build up this frustration, and the next thing you know, man, I hate this job.
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I don't like being around these people, and I don't like doing,
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being up here 'cause I work too many hours.
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I didn't know how to have a, a crucial conversation with my boss
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about how he's treating me, and I didn't know how to set boundaries and, and have respect-To stand up for
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myself to our, to staff I work with and, and have
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that,
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you know, that, that lens of how people viewed me. Once I started
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doing that, I started enjoying my job a lot
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more because I started getting the credibility, I started getting respect and admiration that I needed to be successful.
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'Cause if you ain't got none of that stuff, you can't, you can't win in this field.
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You can't,
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so... Yeah, absolutely. That's some great advice.
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And, um, how about another reflection question, if you could go
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back at any point
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and do anything
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different, would you do
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anything different?
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Yeah. I think,
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um, I think I've done, I've,
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I've done a good, I've done a decent job of this since I've gotten older,
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but just get your butt outside the office, dude.
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Like, the... I know, I think you guys, if you ever read the book, uh,
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uh, Range by David Epstein, have
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y'all read that book?
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Anyway, that, he
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says it in, I think, 300 and something pages,
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like, you're gonna find answers to your career and
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your job and not in your career and field and job. It's gonna be outside
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of that. And so the
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more people you can have conversation with, build relationships
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with, that's not in the trenches of what you're doing
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is gonna, it's gonna launch you and, and, and propel you in your career way more than, than people
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that are gonna talk about how you power clean or program and
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speed development. You're gonna get way more than from that out doing something outside
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the box than inside. So
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I think that's... 'Cause I was just so...
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I
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remember funny thing, I read a story, we were talking about,
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I'll never forget, and I think it was 1990
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in Michigan, ended up...
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Now for, for my first few years of coaching, I was like, "Oh, you gotta train a certain way,"
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or, "You look at all the teams that are winning, they're Olympic lifters," and
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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then finally Michigan won, I was like, wait a minute, they were one set
00:26:20.772 --> 00:26:22.032
to failure. Was
00:26:22.092 --> 00:26:25.092
like, they won it. It really, you can win it with different
00:26:25.132 --> 00:26:28.892
systems. And I was like, yeah, I really don't know what I think I know. And that was, like, my
00:26:28.952 --> 00:26:30.252
first big humble
00:26:30.292 --> 00:26:32.032
pie of, like... And now I've
00:26:32.072 --> 00:26:35.592
gotten older, I'm like, yeah, I had a conversation with one of our administrators
00:26:36.272 --> 00:26:39.072
last week in the car, we were coming back, and I was like, "Yeah, dude, one of the,
00:26:39.632 --> 00:26:42.132
probably one of the worst lifts you could probably do," and this is just again,
00:26:42.372 --> 00:26:44.052
learning from, "Is doing really heavy back
00:26:44.092 --> 00:26:48.012
squats all the time." That's one way to jack up people's bodies is just
00:26:48.112 --> 00:26:50.172
load their bar, load the spine, right?
00:26:50.632 --> 00:26:55.172
But I had to go and learn why you, you know, there's other options, do that outside of my career
00:26:55.272 --> 00:26:57.092
field, through soft tissue stuff and
00:26:57.632 --> 00:26:59.032
massage and, and so- uh,
00:26:59.892 --> 00:27:01.032
corrective stuff. So I think,
00:27:01.592 --> 00:27:04.352
again, get outside the, the career field, get outside the office,
00:27:05.092 --> 00:27:09.952
think differently, look at things differently, paint pictures differently, will make you a way better coach
00:27:10.012 --> 00:27:11.022
and, and leader if
00:27:11.052 --> 00:27:17.092
you'll do that. Is there anybody outside the office that, like, you never really thought that you would run into
00:27:17.152 --> 00:27:20.092
or meet, but they would have such a profound impact on you as a coach?
00:27:23.992 --> 00:27:25.252
Yeah, I mean, I think every time,
00:27:25.792 --> 00:27:26.152
you know,
00:27:26.272 --> 00:27:29.092
um, I
00:27:29.152 --> 00:27:32.152
think, and Todd's heard me talk about this,
00:27:32.192 --> 00:27:35.092
but the more you can, like,
00:27:35.252 --> 00:27:38.172
volunteer and do things that's outside
00:27:38.232 --> 00:27:38.432
of
00:27:39.792 --> 00:27:41.072
your... Like, again, I've,
00:27:41.552 --> 00:27:44.132
I'm a man of faith. I think both of you guys know that. So
00:27:44.142 --> 00:27:49.032
I volunteer, um, whether it's in nonprofit stuff or I've done stuff in our church
00:27:49.112 --> 00:27:53.102
over the years. But that's given me opportunities to meet different
00:27:53.132 --> 00:27:53.652
leaders
00:27:54.492 --> 00:27:56.172
and lead from a different
00:27:56.212 --> 00:27:56.892
capacity
00:27:57.612 --> 00:27:59.052
that, that's probably had the
00:27:59.092 --> 00:28:00.072
biggest impact
00:28:00.112 --> 00:28:02.952
on me. And I think, have y'all ever heard of that book
00:28:03.012 --> 00:28:09.012
called Give and Take? That's probably one of the most big-time books I've ever
00:28:09.052 --> 00:28:10.992
read on just your
00:28:11.092 --> 00:28:15.052
work and life. You, neither, if you, you guys are book read- You won't be able to put
00:28:15.072 --> 00:28:18.052
it down. It's, it's very heavy research based.
00:28:19.272 --> 00:28:21.052
Uh, it's not just, like, frou-frou kind
00:28:21.092 --> 00:28:24.132
of stuff. But in that book he talks about,
00:28:24.192 --> 00:28:28.282
right, there's, there's four types of people in your, in your work. There's givers,
00:28:28.372 --> 00:28:31.272
takers, there's others,
00:28:31.392 --> 00:28:35.532
um, and there's matchers. So givers, takers,
00:28:36.672 --> 00:28:39.092
he calls it otherish, and then matchers. So givers
00:28:39.952 --> 00:28:40.052
are
00:28:40.092 --> 00:28:43.892
not actually the, the best ones. They always get taken, you get run over,
00:28:44.052 --> 00:28:45.241
right? Takers
00:28:45.552 --> 00:28:49.272
climb the, the ladder faster, but they end up getting caught, ethically something goes wrong.
00:28:50.152 --> 00:28:53.972
Um, matchers, like, they always, if you give me 50 cent, I'm gonna give you 50 cent back, right?
00:28:54.012 --> 00:28:57.152
We're always matching. But it's really the otherish, he calls it otherish,
00:28:57.932 --> 00:29:00.032
it's those that can give but they, they're able to put
00:29:00.072 --> 00:29:05.052
boundaries down in their life and actually, like, look out for yourself. So there's a balance
00:29:05.112 --> 00:29:08.052
there. And so he shares the 100-hour rule in that
00:29:08.092 --> 00:29:09.052
book they
00:29:09.112 --> 00:29:15.232
got from a, there's a research firm over in Australia that they did over so many thousands of employees
00:29:16.012 --> 00:29:18.212
over a certain time span that they found that
00:29:19.852 --> 00:29:19.972
if
00:29:20.032 --> 00:29:24.092
you can take 100 hours a year,
00:29:24.472 --> 00:29:27.132
which I think that ends up to being how much? Like, a little over two hours
00:29:27.152 --> 00:29:34.052
a week, right? They found out if people can take 100, the number is 100 hours
00:29:34.192 --> 00:29:37.012
a year, and devote that to something outside
00:29:37.032 --> 00:29:39.012
of your job, can be whatever you
00:29:39.052 --> 00:29:43.712
want, could be a hobby, but you're giving yourself, right, you're setting a boundary in your job. You're going, "I'm
00:29:43.752 --> 00:29:47.152
not working anymore. I'm gonna give two hours
00:29:47.212 --> 00:29:50.032
a week," I think, to something different.
00:29:50.922 --> 00:29:58.092
These people are more resilient and robust to guard against burnout in their career than anybody else on the planet.
00:29:59.092 --> 00:29:59.192
And
00:29:59.272 --> 00:30:05.052
so I think finding that other niche outside of your work is gonna be
00:30:05.152 --> 00:30:06.992
so healthy. It's gonna force you
00:30:07.012 --> 00:30:09.032
to set a boundary, it's gonna develop
00:30:09.092 --> 00:30:14.792
a skill set in another area that you've never experienced, and it's gonna keep you from burning out and keep
00:30:14.852 --> 00:30:15.372
you fresh
00:30:16.112 --> 00:30:26.072
in the long haul. Yeah. So for you, you know, as you mentioned, volunteering has been that
00:30:26.112 --> 00:30:28.136
for you? Yes. Oh, yeah
00:30:28.336 --> 00:30:31.316
Yeah. And other activities that maybe aren't 100
00:30:31.396 --> 00:30:35.956
hours, uh, in a year, but just other things that Donnie Mabe likes to do outside of the
00:30:36.036 --> 00:30:40.016
office. Uh, going on walks with his family, volunteering. What are some other activities that you like to
00:30:40.036 --> 00:30:42.126
do that you feel help keep you fresh?
00:30:44.356 --> 00:30:48.016
I think, uh, again, I'm a John Maxwell junkie, but I always say there's two
00:30:48.036 --> 00:30:50.036
things, right? Whenever you travel,
00:30:51.196 --> 00:30:51.976
you gotta go visit
00:30:52.016 --> 00:30:54.076
great places, and you gotta
00:30:54.116 --> 00:30:57.016
visit great people. And so I'm notorious for when
00:30:57.136 --> 00:31:01.336
I go to a city, I'm gonna have coffee with somebody or I'm gonna go visit somewhere.
00:31:02.096 --> 00:31:02.176
And
00:31:02.256 --> 00:31:03.196
I think, uh,
00:31:03.756 --> 00:31:06.006
I literally, and Todd has seen me do, and Todd kinda has done
00:31:06.056 --> 00:31:08.036
this over the years, too, when he would travel with, with
00:31:08.046 --> 00:31:13.746
his teams. If I'm going to a city, like, who can I visit and go see in that city, and
00:31:13.796 --> 00:31:14.106
just have
00:31:14.136 --> 00:31:16.036
coffee with them? Like, for example,
00:31:16.136 --> 00:31:21.296
we went to, uh, we went to Seattle for Men's Tennis Indoor Nationals.
00:31:22.216 --> 00:31:22.436
Now,
00:31:23.256 --> 00:31:24.036
I'm gonna be honest,
00:31:25.336 --> 00:31:27.116
I did wanna cheer the boys on, but I was
00:31:27.156 --> 00:31:31.116
more excited to go up there and see and visit, uh, Bigger Ground Fitness,
00:31:31.736 --> 00:31:34.036
which my good friend Luka Hosavor, I think, Todd,
00:31:34.076 --> 00:31:37.636
you know him. But, so I literally got up at 5:00 something in the morning, went up there and watched
00:31:37.656 --> 00:31:39.956
them train groups, and got to meet some of their staff. It was so
00:31:40.056 --> 00:31:41.016
fu- I did
00:31:41.076 --> 00:31:45.016
that. I went and, uh, I went one day and just peeled off by myself, went to,
00:31:45.856 --> 00:31:46.116
uh,
00:31:46.616 --> 00:31:48.196
see Rob McKeifer, who had just gotten
00:31:48.236 --> 00:31:52.176
there. Took a tour of his facilities, talked to some of their sports science staff,
00:31:52.716 --> 00:31:54.276
met their nutritionist. Went and had,
00:31:54.376 --> 00:31:58.016
uh, went and had a, I think we went and had lunch together, so I just, I'll just do
00:31:58.076 --> 00:31:59.316
stuff like that all the time,
00:32:00.316 --> 00:32:01.036
and I think that's made
00:32:01.076 --> 00:32:04.016
a difference for me over the years, just kinda building those
00:32:04.056 --> 00:32:04.756
relationships.
00:32:05.516 --> 00:32:07.276
Um, I remember we went to El Paso
00:32:07.356 --> 00:32:13.146
one time, and I reached out to a pastor, pastor of a ginormous church there, and he just randomly had
00:32:13.176 --> 00:32:16.096
coffee with me at Starbucks. Just picked his brain on just leadership
00:32:16.116 --> 00:32:19.076
and stuff. And so I think those have just made, those
00:32:19.096 --> 00:32:23.176
little bitty nuggets over the years, and just connecting and networking has just
00:32:23.796 --> 00:32:25.976
made me just love what I do, and it's helped me grow,
00:32:26.136 --> 00:32:29.016
so it makes a difference. So travel, to your
00:32:29.056 --> 00:32:29.716
question, answer.
00:32:30.096 --> 00:32:37.056
Travel's huge. Yeah, I'd love to second that. My favorite part, at least, uh, as a strength and conditioning coach,
00:32:37.156 --> 00:32:39.965
was always the road trips. Like, I loved googling
00:32:40.036 --> 00:32:44.396
everything about that, s- whether it's a small town or a bigger town, like, just googling everything. And for me,
00:32:44.516 --> 00:32:47.036
I love great food, so, like, you know,
00:32:47.736 --> 00:32:51.016
I, I would love to research where I can go get some good food or go get a good
00:32:51.056 --> 00:32:54.196
coffee or, you know, I remember going to the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland
00:32:54.216 --> 00:32:57.906
by myself, just, like, spending the morning there. It was, like, one of the happiest times I've ever had. Just,
00:32:57.976 --> 00:33:01.066
like, enjoying it, listening to great music, and then we had a game at night, and
00:33:01.116 --> 00:33:04.116
I was just, like, I was bumping. I was ready to go. So it's always
00:33:04.136 --> 00:33:07.596
been really fun. Uh, if you ever get the chance to travel as a, as a strength coach, or just
00:33:07.716 --> 00:33:10.036
anybody, uh, to be able to go out and, and do those things that you
00:33:10.056 --> 00:33:15.436
had mentioned. And to, I, I mean, I just wanna second all of this, too, just 'cause it's being intentional.
00:33:16.226 --> 00:33:19.086
Like, you're gonna have opportunities to go places a lot of time as a coach that
00:33:19.116 --> 00:33:23.826
you would never actually wanna may- maybe plan on going. And doing exactly what you two just said and just
00:33:23.896 --> 00:33:29.006
being intentional with your network because y- and being able to meet people out, outside of your
00:33:29.096 --> 00:33:30.929
scope. So- Yeah ... I,
00:33:30.929 --> 00:33:35.816
I, I totally agree with you. To your point, like, for example, my daughter's in club volleyball. We were in
00:33:35.836 --> 00:33:42.296
Vegas for four days, uh, this, not this past summer, summer before. So guess who I looked up. Bo Sandoval
00:33:42.316 --> 00:33:43.996
of UFC. Took a tour of their facilities,
00:33:44.096 --> 00:33:49.476
met with all their staff, and I went and visited another church, like, up in, that was, got all these
00:33:49.536 --> 00:33:52.016
YouTube, like, influencer guys I met, connected
00:33:52.096 --> 00:33:55.036
with. Like, but I could've slept in, stayed and slept
00:33:55.056 --> 00:33:59.336
in bed and just kinda stared at my phone all day. I could've get my rear end out of bed,
00:33:59.456 --> 00:34:02.216
get showered and shaved, and go meet people and network.
00:34:02.256 --> 00:34:05.036
And so it, it makes a difference over time. It
00:34:05.056 --> 00:34:08.136
really does. Yeah,
00:34:08.255 --> 00:34:13.216
now, you know, at least in my time being a, you know, graduate intern there with UT
00:34:13.676 --> 00:34:19.176
Athletic Performance, just being in, you know, B2 and seeing the amount of people that would walk through the doors
00:34:19.235 --> 00:34:20.346
there from other areas
00:34:20.755 --> 00:34:25.025
wanting to come visit the University of Texas. and come visit there. And, uh, you know, you always
00:34:25.096 --> 00:34:28.266
having, you and your staff always having an open door to those individuals,
00:34:28.856 --> 00:34:33.295
um, I could see how, you know, even that. Like, you don't even have to go somewhere sometimes. You're always
00:34:33.315 --> 00:34:33.936
welcoming
00:34:35.416 --> 00:34:39.096
anyone from any walk of life into those doors, just because I know that you're, you know, hungry
00:34:39.116 --> 00:34:40.036
to learn from them, and maybe
00:34:40.056 --> 00:34:44.505
there's something that, if they're looking for something from you, I know that you're always looking to get something from
00:34:44.536 --> 00:34:49.985
that experience with them, so, um, we can definitely see that in your DNA, for sure. So we had a
00:34:50.016 --> 00:34:52.096
chance to, um, reflect
00:34:52.156 --> 00:34:57.256
a little bit, and I just wanna start flipping the conversation a little bit into a little bit of a
00:34:57.276 --> 00:35:05.796
forward-thinking, uh, lens. So Todd and I, this past May, were with you at the CSCCA Masters Dinner in Oklahoma
00:35:05.836 --> 00:35:10.006
City, and we were sitting at the table with you, and we had a chance to celebrate and honor
00:35:10.096 --> 00:35:11.066
the coaching career of
00:35:11.096 --> 00:35:16.116
Jeff Madden, which was an incredible, it was a very real, very heartfelt experience.
00:35:17.016 --> 00:35:20.356
I think it made everybody in the room think about legacy
00:35:21.136 --> 00:35:22.236
and how you'd wanna be remembered.
00:35:23.396 --> 00:35:24.976
So my question to you, Donnie Mabe,
00:35:25.056 --> 00:35:25.296
is
00:35:26.596 --> 00:35:28.436
what, how do you wanna be remembered,
00:35:29.676 --> 00:35:31.036
uh, either as a coach, or as
00:35:31.076 --> 00:35:33.186
an individual? What do you want your legacy
00:35:33.356 --> 00:35:39.506
to be about? I mean, I think that question for me is pretty simple. When, when I, like, when I
00:35:39.536 --> 00:35:43.976
get done, whether it's coaching or my life comes to an end, right, I want
00:35:44.016 --> 00:35:47.096
people to... It's kinda like that, that question of, like,
00:35:48.836 --> 00:35:49.196
you know,
00:35:50.876 --> 00:35:52.296
I f- I think it was Miles Monroe
00:35:52.616 --> 00:35:54.056
who passed away year- years ago.
00:35:54.056 --> 00:35:59.216
He, uh, he's got some phenomenal books on leadership, but he talked about this too, Gabe.
00:35:59.256 --> 00:36:00.036
And the way he kinda set it
00:36:00.116 --> 00:36:00.936
up was, like, you're sit,
00:36:01.356 --> 00:36:03.096
you know, you, you're, it's your funeral.
00:36:03.396 --> 00:36:07.056
You're in the casket. It's open. People are walking by. Like, what are people saying about you as
00:36:07.096 --> 00:36:08.016
they walk by? Like, what do you
00:36:08.056 --> 00:36:12.796
want people to say? What do you want those conversations to be like? And I think for me it's simple.
00:36:12.836 --> 00:36:13.946
Like, I want people to know, number
00:36:14.056 --> 00:36:17.316
one, first and foremost, that I sincerely value
00:36:17.416 --> 00:36:20.116
people. Like, people matter to me, and I think
00:36:20.196 --> 00:36:22.036
if I can, if I can do that, I
00:36:22.076 --> 00:36:25.116
think, um, that's something that's gonna live
00:36:25.156 --> 00:36:31.656
beyond me. Um, so I think in, in, in a, in a nutshell, that, that I loved, valued, and respected
00:36:31.716 --> 00:36:37.120
people, no matter if you was a janitor-Or if you're the, the AD or the CEO, like, I feel like
00:36:37.160 --> 00:36:40.270
that's so important in life that you treat people with kindness,
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:42.020
respect, and
00:36:43.100 --> 00:36:47.050
whether they're picking up trash bags or they're, you know, on a jet plane, like, our roles
00:36:47.080 --> 00:36:52.890
are so important in the jobs we do, and they're difficult. So I think that's, that's important. Um, and
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:54.150
I think secondly, I hopefully,
00:36:54.600 --> 00:36:56.180
those that I walked closest
00:36:56.220 --> 00:36:59.220
with that I'm hoping that I was able somehow,
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:04.220
some way to help them be more successful than I was. You know, I always feel like as a parent,
00:37:05.160 --> 00:37:08.040
um, the true mark of being
00:37:08.080 --> 00:37:16.020
a parent is are your children thriving and going further in life than you did? Because if, if
00:37:16.030 --> 00:37:17.030
I had to struggle to get to
00:37:17.040 --> 00:37:21.140
where I am, like, I wanna set my kids up for success. And so I think anybody that I've worked
00:37:21.180 --> 00:37:23.020
with or, or been that's had on
00:37:23.060 --> 00:37:25.040
my staff, always wanna try to help
00:37:25.080 --> 00:37:27.000
them. Whatever their goal or dream is, let's
00:37:27.040 --> 00:37:28.980
get you to that level. You know, I wanna be a
00:37:29.040 --> 00:37:31.940
part of that journey. I may not be the whole piece of the puzzle,
00:37:32.020 --> 00:37:33.950
but if I can be a s- a piece of that
00:37:34.100 --> 00:37:37.140
link, of that, of where you get to that next level, like, I wanna,
00:37:37.640 --> 00:37:37.980
I wanna do
00:37:38.020 --> 00:37:41.200
my part to help take you to that, that, that next step
00:37:41.240 --> 00:37:42.940
and next level. And I feel like
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:49.240
as a leader and as a, as a colleague and as a professional, it's my professional responsibility. And I feel
00:37:49.340 --> 00:37:51.040
like my identity as, as
00:37:51.100 --> 00:37:53.030
a person, uh, my purpose is to help
00:37:53.060 --> 00:37:53.610
people get there,
00:37:54.120 --> 00:38:03.980
to elevate them. Yeah. Well, you know, we obviously think very highly of you. And, and surely
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:04.960
in our head as we look at
00:38:05.020 --> 00:38:09.220
you, we, we see someone who definitely loves, values and, and respects
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:10.040
people, uh,
00:38:10.120 --> 00:38:10.760
for sure. So,
00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:14.100
uh, you know, we hope- Yeah ... that you can continue that, and we have no doubt
00:38:14.140 --> 00:38:14.530
that you will.
00:38:16.380 --> 00:38:20.060
Um, my next question is, we, we've heard you previously mention
00:38:20.100 --> 00:38:23.260
this idea that everyone has
00:38:23.720 --> 00:38:25.340
two peaks or curves in their life.
00:38:25.740 --> 00:38:28.060
Can you elaborate on that a little bit and what that means to you?
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:33.020
Yeah. It's one of my favorite, uh... Again, I think that's had
00:38:33.060 --> 00:38:35.090
probably the, the one book that's changed
00:38:35.700 --> 00:38:36.100
how I view
00:38:36.140 --> 00:38:39.240
my career more than anything has been the book Halftime
00:38:39.620 --> 00:38:40.120
by Bob
00:38:40.140 --> 00:38:45.159
Buford. He... Bob passed away, I think it's been several years now, but he was a guy that,
00:38:45.600 --> 00:38:48.260
I think, lived here in Texas, owned a, uh, cable company.
00:38:48.860 --> 00:38:49.040
And the
00:38:49.820 --> 00:38:50.020
short
00:38:50.120 --> 00:38:52.360
story of it, he was a millionaire,
00:38:52.780 --> 00:38:56.100
built this huge company, but got to this stage of his life where he's miserable,
00:38:57.200 --> 00:38:57.960
and he couldn't figure out, like,
00:38:58.060 --> 00:39:02.560
what was going on. And so he came up with this book, this principle of halftime,
00:39:03.020 --> 00:39:04.260
which is a sports analogy
00:39:04.340 --> 00:39:08.040
of like, you know, in every sporting event, there's a halftime. And,
00:39:08.100 --> 00:39:11.040
and the one question he asks is like, "What do you do at halftime?"
00:39:12.020 --> 00:39:14.020
He goes, "It's simple. You make adjustments."
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:18.090
And so just like in your, your sporting event or your
00:39:18.140 --> 00:39:22.669
game, at halftime you make adjustments. You need to s- do the same thing in your career field, in your
00:39:22.700 --> 00:39:28.960
profession on the total timeline of it, right? So halftime, he says in the book for us as professionals is
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anywhere
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:32.300
in your mid to late 30s up until you're probably
00:39:34.020 --> 00:39:35.600
early to, to mid-40s.
00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:38.090
And again, don't quote me on that,
00:39:38.160 --> 00:39:41.040
but it's, it's late 30s to early, mid-40s,
00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:43.000
uh, is, is he calls it
00:39:43.060 --> 00:39:47.340
halftime. And so there's two sigmoid curves, right? The curve,
00:39:47.680 --> 00:39:49.920
the first curve is when you start your career. It starts
00:39:50.020 --> 00:39:54.320
off kinda low and it drops. You don't do well usually at first.
00:39:55.160 --> 00:39:56.140
And so it starts to drop
00:39:56.180 --> 00:39:59.960
down. In your late 20s it starts to turn, and in your 30s you
00:40:00.020 --> 00:40:06.169
start to climb. Well, if you follow that sigmoid curve, and you see, I've seen this in coaching, you guys
00:40:06.180 --> 00:40:06.620
have too,
00:40:07.180 --> 00:40:09.540
probably in your, your mid-50s,
00:40:10.140 --> 00:40:10.260
they
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:14.000
start to peak, and then somewhere in their 60s they're starting to
00:40:14.040 --> 00:40:16.040
come down again. So it's a,
00:40:16.080 --> 00:40:20.090
it's a, it's a drop, a climb, you peak out, you stall out, you start to come
00:40:20.120 --> 00:40:27.200
down. What he recommends is somewhere in your, the halftime, right?
00:40:27.980 --> 00:40:28.260
Instead
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of just
00:40:29.120 --> 00:40:33.320
stalling out, you start your second sigmoid curve on your, while you're climbing
00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:37.080
up. And that second sigmoid curve, you'll drop
00:40:37.140 --> 00:40:39.120
again and it goes down.
00:40:40.380 --> 00:40:42.960
And so that first sigmoid curve is climbing, that second
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.200
one's dropping, but guess what happens?
00:40:45.860 --> 00:40:49.000
As you get to your first sigmoid curve and it peaks out and starts to stall, guess
00:40:49.020 --> 00:40:52.100
what's coming up? Your second sigmoid curve is climbing
00:40:52.139 --> 00:40:55.280
again. Is, and then that second
00:40:55.340 --> 00:40:56.980
one, you start at halftime
00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:00.240
in your late, your late 30s, early 40s, mid-40s,
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:04.010
and he calls that little gap in there in between, you gotta make changes and
00:41:04.040 --> 00:41:06.010
you gotta make adjustments basically
00:41:06.040 --> 00:41:06.620
in your career.
00:41:07.380 --> 00:41:10.970
And, uh, the first sigmoid curve is all about success. It's
00:41:11.020 --> 00:41:17.760
about what you gather, how much money you make, the positions you accrue, the trophies you win, the accolades you
00:41:17.780 --> 00:41:19.940
put on by your resume. It's all about success.
00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:25.089
It's about you. The second sigmoid curve has gotta be about significance. It's about
00:41:25.200 --> 00:41:25.599
others.
00:41:27.120 --> 00:41:28.080
What, what have you
00:41:28.100 --> 00:41:30.160
taken and what are you giving back?
00:41:30.680 --> 00:41:31.040
Who are you
00:41:31.100 --> 00:41:33.040
helping? Who are you elevating?
00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:38.060
What are you leaving behind, right? I think those are the questions, like you said, of legacy.
00:41:38.170 --> 00:41:40.160
I mean, I ha- I've had these conversations with our coaches
00:41:40.220 --> 00:41:43.020
on, on different sport teams here. I've literally talked to
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:43.960
one of
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:47.740
our, uh, tennis coaches recently. Like, "Coach, what are you... You're getting a little older, like, what you gonna do?"
00:41:47.980 --> 00:41:48.060
He
00:41:48.080 --> 00:41:52.950
doesn't know. And I've started kinda, like, sharing this vision with him. Like, "Coach, here, I know what your
00:41:53.020 --> 00:41:55.900
next step is. You'll do this, this, and this, but you just gotta set it
00:41:56.040 --> 00:41:59.980
up." And it's funny when you have these conversations with older coaches, they get
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:07.640
excited because it speaks to the skill set. All these years you've spent gathering and gleaning this information
00:42:08.300 --> 00:42:09.340
and coaching and teaching,
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:13.960
get it to be competent at a high level. Take that, repackage it, and start giving it
00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:15.980
back and making a difference in
00:42:16.020 --> 00:42:21.080
the world. And so as I get older, I definitely have that vision of how I'm gonna give back
00:42:21.100 --> 00:42:23.060
and make a difference, and I'm already starting to do a lot of it,
00:42:23.300 --> 00:42:26.940
so it's, uh, super exciting. But yeah, it's called Halftime, Bob
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:29.160
Buford. Gotta have that second curve.
00:42:30.560 --> 00:42:33.880
That was a great illustration you gave us there of, of those two curves. So
00:42:34.040 --> 00:42:37.196
if I'm asking you to plot yourselfOn
00:42:37.236 --> 00:42:39.096
those curves, where do you see yourself
00:42:39.116 --> 00:42:44.036
right now? I just turned... Well, I'm, I'm about, I'm 52, I'll be 53 this year. I'm
00:42:44.076 --> 00:42:50.036
definitely, I feel the weight and pressure of that second curve of it's getting to
00:42:50.076 --> 00:42:56.076
where I'm doing more and more with consulting, speaking, travel. I'm doing more and more of that.
00:42:56.196 --> 00:42:58.236
Um, I get more,
00:42:58.896 --> 00:43:00.096
I've had more conversations
00:43:00.116 --> 00:43:03.996
this year on just mentoring and, like, pouring into others than I've ever had
00:43:04.036 --> 00:43:06.056
in my whole time coaching. So
00:43:07.416 --> 00:43:09.215
it's shaping up for that, Gabe. I think,
00:43:09.916 --> 00:43:12.956
um, I still feel like there's one more leg in my career as
00:43:13.016 --> 00:43:17.056
a professional to, I'd love to try to move up into, like, an
00:43:17.096 --> 00:43:23.496
AD role, like a higher level one where I'm overseeing not only staff and performance, but maybe sport oversight at
00:43:23.536 --> 00:43:27.076
some point, or some other piece like that. I feel like I've got that in me,
00:43:27.896 --> 00:43:33.476
in capacity, so that's what this whole conference was about. Again, that will be another,
00:43:33.576 --> 00:43:37.266
uh, piece of that second curve of where you're giving
00:43:37.276 --> 00:43:42.316
back. 'Cause then you get to where you're coaching others more. You're not on the ground floor doing everything,
00:43:42.836 --> 00:43:45.036
but you're teaching and mentoring, training other people to go
00:43:45.076 --> 00:43:49.116
do that for you. And so that's, that's the urgency I'm definitely feeling in this,
00:43:49.716 --> 00:43:51.236
this stage of my career right now.
00:43:53.016 --> 00:43:58.156
Yeah. I'm thinking back, like, to when I was there with you, 2016, 2015, 2016
00:43:58.166 --> 00:44:00.986
time. And in your description
00:44:01.016 --> 00:44:06.036
of the curves, you know, you start beginning, you have this halftime, you start beginning that second one even though
00:44:06.076 --> 00:44:07.136
you're still on that first one,
00:44:07.716 --> 00:44:12.036
and I remember you talking about, you know, a conference like this. I don't think you're new to this conference,
00:44:12.076 --> 00:44:15.196
is that right? Like, you've been thinking about this and doing this for some time.
00:44:15.676 --> 00:44:17.996
This is my fourth time, yeah. Yeah, exactly. So I
00:44:18.036 --> 00:44:20.996
c- I can recall, you know, you talking about that, and
00:44:21.056 --> 00:44:25.096
that's kind of that beginning of where you're starting that curve, and then now to see you
00:44:25.576 --> 00:44:26.316
years later
00:44:26.436 --> 00:44:30.116
here and kind of continuing and, and, and talking about next
00:44:30.156 --> 00:44:34.986
chapters, uh, for Donnie' May, that's, that's pretty cool to see. And I'm replaying that back in my head and
00:44:35.016 --> 00:44:37.036
it's kind of
00:44:37.116 --> 00:44:40.056
making sense to me now, seeing you on this trajectory, which
00:44:40.096 --> 00:44:42.196
is pretty cool. Yeah.
00:44:42.316 --> 00:44:43.096
Um- Good
00:44:43.196 --> 00:44:43.836
stuff. Yeah.
00:44:44.436 --> 00:44:45.996
Yeah. So, you know, speaking of
00:44:46.036 --> 00:44:48.076
next chapter, we've
00:44:48.156 --> 00:44:50.996
heard that you're in the process of writing a
00:44:51.156 --> 00:44:52.996
book. This is
00:44:53.036 --> 00:44:56.276
correct. So what can you tell us about this book,
00:44:57.136 --> 00:44:57.506
and
00:44:58.416 --> 00:45:01.076
when can we expect it to be released? Because you know me
00:45:01.096 --> 00:45:05.456
and Todd will be two of the first people in line for the book signing. I know. You guys are
00:45:05.536 --> 00:45:08.176
awesome. I'm gonna give some love to T-Pain, to Todd
00:45:08.216 --> 00:45:11.965
right here. But, um, Todd, I think I got the ti- this, this, this conversation
00:45:12.016 --> 00:45:14.036
today kinda made me, uh,
00:45:14.396 --> 00:45:16.076
just have this light bulb moment, but I don't know if
00:45:16.096 --> 00:45:20.525
we'd call it this. But it's gonna be, it's, it's basically gonna be the John Maxwell leadership. book for strength
00:45:20.596 --> 00:45:24.096
coaches. Literally gonna
00:45:24.156 --> 00:45:28.076
be the, there's three, there's three sections to it, right? There's gonna be the path,
00:45:29.056 --> 00:45:31.076
uh, there's gonna be the people, and the
00:45:31.116 --> 00:45:36.036
promotion. And it's all, like, the, the path is all g- It's, I've written a- I've written over
00:45:36.096 --> 00:45:36.236
two
00:45:36.276 --> 00:45:40.006
thirds of it. The path is, like, how you get started, like, early beginnings, how struggle,
00:45:40.436 --> 00:45:42.096
it's a struggle, right? It's so hard.
00:45:42.136 --> 00:45:47.936
It's, you gotta really figure out who you are and kinda, like, how you make your, your little niche
00:45:48.016 --> 00:45:48.096
i-
00:45:48.236 --> 00:45:52.476
as a coach. And then the people is how you s- how do you start leading, right? How do you
00:45:52.516 --> 00:45:53.256
start learning leadership
00:45:53.296 --> 00:45:57.056
and managing difficult situations with people that you oversee? And then the
00:45:57.096 --> 00:46:01.136
promotion is, like, gonna be the third piece. It's gonna be how do you actually move up in a career
00:46:01.236 --> 00:46:03.926
field that's, that's very difficult to move up in? How
00:46:04.056 --> 00:46:05.156
you get promoted,
00:46:05.236 --> 00:46:07.116
how do you, uh, intentionally
00:46:07.636 --> 00:46:09.256
get the training, the mentoring,
00:46:09.876 --> 00:46:13.236
and take the classes and experiences that's gonna set you up for success
00:46:13.796 --> 00:46:16.176
to run in different lanes? Because our, as you guys
00:46:16.196 --> 00:46:19.016
know, this profession's changing rapidly
00:46:19.696 --> 00:46:23.036
and there's becoming more and more different lanes in, in,
00:46:23.116 --> 00:46:28.976
in, uh, different titles and roles you can hold than we've ever seen before in the history of this profession.
00:46:29.096 --> 00:46:30.056
So how do you move up
00:46:30.096 --> 00:46:34.136
into that and branch out and do different things and make a difference? So that's the book in a nutshell.
00:46:37.396 --> 00:46:38.596
What was your inspiration
00:46:38.656 --> 00:46:41.036
for writing this book? Like, when did you start? When was,
00:46:41.076 --> 00:46:43.056
you first had this idea of, like, I wanna write this?
00:46:44.296 --> 00:46:47.056
Somebody said one time, Gabe, like, "Don't write the book,
00:46:47.636 --> 00:46:47.936
um,
00:46:49.336 --> 00:46:52.036
don't write the book that you wanna write, write the book that you need to write."
00:46:52.736 --> 00:46:56.076
Right? And I think... So I kept trying to come up with these different ideas
00:46:56.096 --> 00:46:58.005
for books and just was floundering, and I was like,
00:46:58.005 --> 00:47:01.726
"What do I need?" I'm like, the one thing that I just need to write that I know that I've
00:47:01.796 --> 00:47:03.156
studied the most is leadership.
00:47:03.956 --> 00:47:08.056
Because I've studied and taken a lot of classes on it, but I think
00:47:08.076 --> 00:47:12.966
more than anything I've made a crap ton of mistakes leading, and I think
00:47:13.076 --> 00:47:18.066
that is where my sweet spot is, is, like, where have I had those failures, flops, and fumbles,
00:47:18.176 --> 00:47:18.396
right,
00:47:19.336 --> 00:47:21.236
of I've screwed it up royally.
00:47:21.696 --> 00:47:26.336
How can I take that with the books and classes I've taken and kinda conjoin that together
00:47:26.836 --> 00:47:28.996
and roll out just a practical tool kit of,
00:47:29.036 --> 00:47:31.076
like, how you lead, uh,
00:47:31.596 --> 00:47:33.096
as a coach? And I think that's
00:47:33.136 --> 00:47:35.076
what I've, from the stories, the,
00:47:35.076 --> 00:47:42.206
the mentors I've had, the horrible mistakes I've made where I've almost gotten fired before to pissing off head coaches,
00:47:42.316 --> 00:47:48.756
to, you know, dropping the ball with staff and not hiring different, the right people or whatever it may. be.
00:47:48.816 --> 00:47:53.026
You know? I think, uh, those lessons are so timeless
00:47:53.816 --> 00:47:59.246
and, again, that's a way for me to give back to this profession in a way that will live beyond
00:47:59.276 --> 00:48:04.736
my years. And so I think that's the heartbeat and where kinda the, the impetus came from, Gabe.
00:48:06.856 --> 00:48:08.076
Well, I, I know for sure that,
00:48:08.396 --> 00:48:08.516
well,
00:48:08.596 --> 00:48:10.056
yeah, Gabe and I will be in the front of the
00:48:10.116 --> 00:48:15.856
line to get a book signing, and then we'll also be advocates for you because we've both firsthand experienced your
00:48:15.896 --> 00:48:17.016
leadership and mentorship,
00:48:17.656 --> 00:48:22.296
uh, and we know, one, it's a passion of yours and how much it's influenced both of us. So obviously
00:48:22.596 --> 00:48:24.036
we- we're very thankful for everything
00:48:24.076 --> 00:48:26.956
you've done for us. Appreciate it, T. I'll sell two
00:48:27.016 --> 00:48:31.976
books. Oh, don't worry. I'm, I'm gonna buy a couple copies. Oh, thank
00:48:32.196 --> 00:48:32.856
you, bud. I'm gonna be handing them out.
00:48:33.036 --> 00:48:35.136
I'm gonna be handing them out. Thank you. I appreciate you guys.
00:48:35.176 --> 00:48:39.896
Y'all are awesome. Thank you. Yeah. You know, it's, I, I just went back to this 'cause a few times
00:48:39.996 --> 00:48:44.200
I just... And I feel like every time we talk, Donnie, like, uh-I just always
00:48:44.560 --> 00:48:44.880
can
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:47.040
remember so vividly just, like, sitting in your
00:48:47.100 --> 00:48:50.170
office. Like, out of- for whatever, it's such a great feeling,
00:48:50.560 --> 00:48:50.600
you
00:48:50.620 --> 00:48:53.880
know? Yeah. And when I hear you talk it's kind of where my mind start, my mind starts wandering a
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:58.030
little bit, but, like, behind you you have all these books. You know? A- and
00:48:58.080 --> 00:49:01.680
anyone who's been in your office, there's always these books. And, "Hey, Donnie, what book you reading?" Or I g-
00:49:01.700 --> 00:49:04.920
you know, got my first full-time position, "Hey, Donnie, what book do you recommend?" Like, you always have an
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:09.180
answer. So now to think, like, "Okay, I have an office," or I have some resources here at home,
00:49:09.240 --> 00:49:12.260
like, I'm gonna have that D Mabe book sitting up here.
00:49:12.260 --> 00:49:12.940
Right. And I'm
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:17.860
s- a- and, and absolutely be able to, uh, recommend it to somebody one day would be, would be incredible.
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:21.280
So, uh, it's really cool to see that come full circle. I know we're really excited
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:26.020
about that. No, I mean, I tell you the... I've had this book in my heart for
00:49:26.080 --> 00:49:31.030
so long. And, uh, it's funny when, you know, as you guys know, just it's hard to sit down and
00:49:31.040 --> 00:49:33.220
do it. Just the writing part has been the hardest. Just making
00:49:33.260 --> 00:49:37.080
time to... 'Cause it's not just writing, you gotta have the energy for it, and so I think that's
00:49:37.120 --> 00:49:40.980
been the challenge. But it's... I mean, I can clearly... I can see not only the
00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:41.860
book, but the way that
00:49:42.260 --> 00:49:45.140
I... My kinda, I guess my heart, to your point, Gabe,
00:49:45.200 --> 00:49:46.960
it's... My heart and intent
00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:51.240
of how I want it to help and impact people's lives in a positive way, and I think that's
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:51.980
kinda the, the
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:57.110
heart behind it. Yeah, and, uh, I think,
00:49:57.520 --> 00:49:58.020
I think first
00:49:58.060 --> 00:50:00.980
time, you know, I went to go work for Todd I, I asked you, Donnie, I was
00:50:01.020 --> 00:50:04.080
like, "Hey, do you have a book for me? Do you got something for me?" And it's funny 'cause
00:50:04.090 --> 00:50:06.960
I think one of the recommen- the book you recommended was, uh, How to Be
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:10.110
a Linchpin. Right. Uh, Steph- I think ... Glover. That book's
00:50:10.220 --> 00:50:12.840
big time, yep. Yeah, which is great. And then just, like,
00:50:13.100 --> 00:50:13.980
you know, I remember I
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:16.980
went and got one, uh, and I got it by my desk
00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:18.140
still. Nice. So
00:50:18.200 --> 00:50:22.120
it's, it... Yeah. I, I put it by my desk at Washington and, and I had it there, and it's
00:50:22.120 --> 00:50:24.010
just a nice little reminder and it's with me right now at
00:50:24.040 --> 00:50:24.580
my desk. So,
00:50:25.340 --> 00:50:27.100
um- That, uh, that book is a big time
00:50:27.160 --> 00:50:27.920
book though. It
00:50:28.040 --> 00:50:31.040
is. Yeah, absolutely. So I think when you think about, like,
00:50:31.700 --> 00:50:35.240
you know, have you invested in people and do you value people and do you wanna help people become
00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:40.010
successful, like, absolutely. Like, you, you have that impact on individuals. So we're very grateful to have you here with
00:50:40.060 --> 00:50:44.100
us today. Yes, sir, I appreciate it. Hey, I... You know what? I think we're gonna have to have
00:50:44.120 --> 00:50:46.020
you back on and we're just gonna have to do a book review.
00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:49.100
We're gonna have to go through about 100 books and just start chopping
00:50:49.140 --> 00:50:54.440
it up. Ooh. I could... That I could do for sure. I can give you the... I could literally do,
00:50:54.540 --> 00:50:59.560
give you the, the snaps or the, the, what do you call it when you shorten it, I guess? Uh...
00:50:59.580 --> 00:51:00.250
Like a CliffsNotes
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:02.100
or something? Yeah, just CliffsNotes.
00:51:02.220 --> 00:51:07.700
A short version. A synopsis is what I was trying to say- Yeah ... of each book, like, so fast.
00:51:07.770 --> 00:51:12.080
'Cause I'm kinda like you, Todd. You're like... I don't if y'all know Todd, but he's like, he's got a
00:51:12.720 --> 00:51:14.240
photographic memory on books.
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:16.980
And there's just certain parts of books I just,
00:51:17.260 --> 00:51:23.000
it just, like, like, etches into my mind like a laser, and I can just remember it because it impacts
00:51:23.020 --> 00:51:25.970
me and I share it with others. So I think that's where it kinda comes from,
00:51:26.060 --> 00:51:31.780
Gabe. Yeah, I think that's a, uh, you know, that's gonna be a great resource for anybody and
00:51:32.040 --> 00:51:35.740
I just, I wanna make sure we mention some, a couple other ones. You know, we have donnimabe.com.
00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:41.020
Make sure you go check out that awesome website that Donnie's got cooking over there. And then also a
00:51:41.040 --> 00:51:45.020
great podcast that you have over there with, uh, University of Texas Athletic Performance, The Team Behind The Team.
00:51:45.500 --> 00:51:50.480
I've enjoyed all the episodes on that and, and really it's been an amazing resource to listen to. And
00:51:50.560 --> 00:51:51.060
talking about
00:51:51.120 --> 00:51:51.480
some of that,
00:51:52.200 --> 00:51:56.770
you know, ability to reach others and impact others on another level, it's been a really great resource. So highly,
00:51:56.820 --> 00:52:01.120
highly recommend Team Behind The Team. Uh, make sure you check that out. Um,
00:52:01.720 --> 00:52:06.000
and Donnie, as we kinda finish up here, something we like to ask all of our guests that join us
00:52:06.120 --> 00:52:09.130
is, you gotta tell us a little bit about what, what your training program is like right now,
00:52:09.140 --> 00:52:11.030
what you're doing at home or, or at the
00:52:11.030 --> 00:52:13.280
gym and what that's looking like. Oh, me personally?
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Okay. Oh, yeah, because we, we've been seeing the Instagram videos there for a while. You're out
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there working out in
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the driveway.
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Okay. I'm gonna be super transparent here
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and raw. My work schedule's been nuts up here with little groups every day, with- where volleyball's in season
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and
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then men's t- I got volleyball and men's tennis and they're, they're, they're, like, opposite
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schedules. So I'm getting hammered in the morning. Todd, you've seen it. I get stuff in the afternoon and... Tennis,
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those guys are playing tournaments all over the place, so it's buck wild.
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And then
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volleyball's, like,
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you know, we've got 18 girls. We've never had that many girls on the team, so I've got more individual
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sheets this year than I've ever had. So work schedule's been a little chaotic,
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more than normal, so it's been harder for me to work out here. So what I've been doing, I've got
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literally at home, we've got a, a, you know, Honest Academy's here in town.
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I've got a big, I think, Todd and Gabe, it's a 80 something pound gorilla kettlebell at the crib.
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And I post it on my Instagram story
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sometimes.
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And, uh,
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that sucker, boy, I'm telling you, you talking about get the
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monkey off your back, that sucker
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kicks my... I do swings with
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it, carries, squats, I do iso holds
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with it. So
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I've got a, just a, just a,
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not a very sexy at all, like, little garage gym set up. So I'll go home, I'll run,
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and it'll be so... It'll be, you know, it's starting to cool off now, but it's been 100 plus
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degrees. I'll be dripping wet at the, at the garage at the house. I
00:53:42.040 --> 00:53:44.040
got a little, little circular fan that
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blows back and forth. So I'll do more training at home. Like, on Saturday, Sundays I'll train at home,
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so 'cause I know Monday's up here I'm
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slammed, and then I'll get a couple days a week up here. So I'm staying consistent, but it's just not,
00:53:56.420 --> 00:54:01.040
it's not my most conducive schedule, but I can't make excuses 'cause I got the garage gym.
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And I like the garage gym for one reason too.
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I really can, like... I need that space
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where I can just, like, clear my head.
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Nobody's wanting to meet with me. Nobody's asking me a
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question. Nobody's knocking on my door. No athletes coming
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in. No administrators coming in. I can get in my little garage.
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Um,
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I will make a confession. I've been drinking,
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I'm sorry, this is unhealthy, but I've been drinking Monsters
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lately.
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Sorry. Coach, you, you, yeah, you are tired, aren't
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:33.050
ya? Yeah. But I, I got off of them, I promise,
00:54:33.140 --> 00:54:36.480
Todd. I, I drank my last one the other day, so I'm done with the Monsters.
00:54:37.180 --> 00:54:37.340
But,
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um, so I'll get in the, get in my garage, get some... I'll go for the run, get some hydration,
00:54:43.260 --> 00:54:43.520
and
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:49.308
put a, put a book in or a podcast. Usually it's a book or music.Just zone out and get recharged,
00:54:49.348 --> 00:54:53.138
man. But it's been, it's been my sanctuary this fall and it's been huge, but I'm definitely
00:54:53.208 --> 00:54:57.948
still, I think I'm down to like, I'm getting real lean. I'm down to like two 25 right now.
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So. Yeah. That's really lean.
00:55:01.128 --> 00:55:04.828
I'm staying on. What was, what was the biggest you were at Georgia? Did you ever get to three bills?
00:55:04.888 --> 00:55:07.248
Yeah. Two, I was big body coach.
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I was like 282 and couldn't run two laps around the track.
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Your
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boy, boy get booty locked on the
00:55:13.048 --> 00:55:18.168
second lap. Too big.
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Way too big.
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Yeah. Well this, this was awesome, Donnie. Yeah. Thank, thanks for your time and obviously we love, we
00:55:25.108 --> 00:55:25.188
love
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chatting with you and, uh, yeah, we definitely, hopefully, hopefully have you, have you back.
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So.
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No, it's a always a joy and delight just to talk
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shop and catch up. And I really appreciate,
00:55:35.608 --> 00:55:38.268
uh, just you guys, what you're doing at Keiser,
00:55:39.088 --> 00:55:41.408
what you're doing for Texas. You guys are a huge,
00:55:41.928 --> 00:55:46.048
not only, I mean, we obviously use your equipment, but just to have that close connection
00:55:46.108 --> 00:55:48.248
and core value with you guys has made a difference
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for us. And I know you're gonna change.
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I know we're gonna get, get some upgrades and stuff here, but guys, thank you from, from
00:55:54.108 --> 00:55:56.048
our bottom of our hearts to Keiser as well. We appreciate
00:55:56.088 --> 00:55:58.088
you guys. Yeah.
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Thank you. Appreciate it. Thanks coach.
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