Randy Huntington & Ty Sevin: Reflections on Human Performance

This two-part episode of the Keiser Human Performance Podcast features Randy and Ty as they explore what it really takes to build effective training systems that deliver consistent results. Rather than relying on constant variation or complex programming, they emphasize the value of simplicity, structure, and intentional progression. The conversation highlights how repeatable systems — paired with clear coaching and measurable outcomes—create better long-term success for both coaches and clients. From philosophy to real-world application, they reinforce that consistency, clarity, and execution are the foundation of any program that truly works.

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Welcome to the Keiser Human Performance Podcast.

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The goal of this podcast. is to educate and inspire you to make the most of your

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journey in health and

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performance. Each episode will provide an in-depth discussion on a specific topic related to human performance.

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If you're a growth-minded individual seeking knowledge and better solutions,

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this podcast is for you. We're glad you're listening in, and we're excited to learn alongside

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you. My name is Gabe German, and today I'm joined by two very special people that have had a major

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impact in the field of sport and human performance. Our first guest

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is Randy Huntington. Randy joins us with 42 years of coaching experience.

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He's coached some of the greatest athletes in the world, including Olympians and world record

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holders, such as Willie Banks

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and Mike Powell. His impact is felt around the

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globe. Randy has coached elite athletes from many countries, including China, where he was the head coach for the national

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team. With an unrivaled passion for human

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performance, Randy is a consultant, mentor, and educator to coaches and athletes worldwide. Our second guest,

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Ty Seivan, is the president of Keiser. He has

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over 25 years of coaching experience at both the collegiate and Olympic levels. He served as a director

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of track and field at the USOC, and as assistant coach

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for Team USA. He later spent four years as the associate head coach at the University of Texas, coaching several

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All-Americans on the men's and women's track

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and field teams, including Ryan

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Crouser. Ty himself was a four-time US Olympic trials

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qualifier in the javelin, and is a global educator on topics of human performance. This episode is part one of

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a two-part discussion. We begin by covering training philosophies

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and principles, highlighting training and coaching

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inspirations. From

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there, we discuss some of the challenges of working with elite level athletes, and the importance of great

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communication. We finish part one with Ty and Randy sharing the why behind their dedication to human performance.

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You can follow Randy on social media,

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@hunt895wr,

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and Ty,

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@tyseivan.

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To learn more about Keiser, you can follow us @keiserfitness

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or visit www.keiser.com.

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Enjoy the episode, and make sure to check out part two.

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Morning, gentlemen. Excited to be here with the both of you today and have a front row seat

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to the Ty and Randy show. And truly, you know, I feel like I'm the guest of honor, uh, in

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this, so good morning to the both

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of you. Good morning. Good morning,

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Gabe. Good morning. Lots of topics we're gonna cover in today's episode. Obviously, the years of experience and

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knowledge between the two of you

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is incredible. Uh, Randy, I joked with you on the phone a few days ago, but it's

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true,

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it's likely you've forgotten,

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uh, more than many coaches will

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ever know. How

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are you doing today? Good.

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Good. Yeah, it's, um... I'm gonna go cross-country skiing

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in a little while, after we get done,

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so I'm

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a, I'm a happy

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guy. Get, get to go out and burn some calories and be out in

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that, the wonderful Sawtooths up

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here in Idaho. Absolutely. It's great to hear. Mm-hmm. And Ty, traveling the world, continuing your never-ending pursuit of knowledge,

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and the answers to human performance. Appreciate your time today. How are you? I'm doing great. Doing great. I'm kinda

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like Randy, except I've got, uh, 36 degrees and wet and damp- ... so I'm happy to be inside.

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Yeah. Awesome. I've got 20- 27 and a little

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wet, but

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it'll be good skiing. Yeah. Now, the paths of Ty and Randy are obviously interwoven. For those listening, Ty, could

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you provide some background on your relationship with Randy?

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Yeah, I mean, really,

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uh, I was at a, a crossroads,

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uh, in my athletic and, and coaching career, I guess, uh,

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right after the Olympics

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trials in

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2000. Um, I had missed the Olympic team by less than, I don't know, something like 20 or

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30 centi- centimeters, and basically, you know, the life of a, a...

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You,

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you can't call it a professional track athlete, 'cause you're not making money. You're losing money on, on that quest

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of chasing

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something that you really

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don't,

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you know, you, you really don't know what it entails. It's like, "I wanna be an Olympian."

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Um,

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and I, I went through the process of 2000 of giving it everything I had, and I,

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I reached a point

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where I really didn't have any more options, mostly financially,

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of trying to contemplate,

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"Okay,

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I'm, I'm almost 30 years old. Uh, I've given it my best shot. I've resigned from a full-time coaching

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job." You know, I did everything in my power to do it, but

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I still had this burning inside of me that was like, "You're so close, don't walk away."

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And,

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um, I had the opportunity to move out to the Olympic

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Training Center, uh, believe

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in 2001. I had actually went out and started a construction

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company and...

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Or did a house flip and trying to, you know, get my life rolling. And, uh, just so

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happened, I, I believe I was talking to Duffy Mahoney at USA Track and Field, and he was

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like, "Well, we don't really have any event coaches per se at the training center, uh, for the javelin.

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But if you would like to,

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uh, move out to the Olympic Training Center, we'll have your food. You know, you'll have a place to stay,

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and, and we can guarantee you there for three months. And then after three months, just depends on what

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the situation was."

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And just so happened, uh, when, you know, I moved out to the Olympic Training Center, Randy Huntington had

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just... I believe, Randy, you had just taken that position.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, just created a, a kinship with Randy, and it, it really wasn't based around javelin throwing.

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Like, that was the ironic thing, was, was that I think we get so pigeonholed into, "Well, this coach coaches

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this," and, you know, "This is only a football guy." And, and I really-Really made a connection just

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from, like, Randy utilizes a different

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path to

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coaching. Really does. I mean, it, it really is a different,

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um, a different methodology, and it was something different than I'd ever experienced before. And I mean, don't get me

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wrong, I had... You know, if I had to list the coaches that I've had, I've had some of the

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greatest coaches

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in the world. I've learned a lot from them. I started with Dan Pfaff, and I went to Juande Lagarza.

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Both of them are at the

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pinnacle o- of coaching in, in multiple

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disciplines. And it was just the opportunity to be with somebody different that looked at it differently, that really challenged

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me on my belief system,

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and gave me a different pers- a different set of lenses to look through to not only evaluate

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myself, to evaluate the event, and to evaluate kind of performance. as a whole. So that's really where our, our

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relationship started.

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Yeah, I mean, and, and for me in- being on the other side of that,

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um, relationship, you' know, it was to have essentially

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a coach athlete on, on site with me

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who... Because I didn't have anybody else to really bounce ideas

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off of, uh,

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talk about things.

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Um, at that time, it... Later on, Coach Vigil came around, but that was a different

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deal. And even though Coach Vigil had coached a lot of events

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over the years,

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and, and, and, and is a teacher

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to us all,

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you. know, for sure.

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But, uh, yeah, so for Ty to be

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there, and having coached himself collegiately at that point already, and then come in

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and

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being a person that wanted to learn, was

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just

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open to

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wanting to be better

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than, you' know. And, uh,

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you. know, back then, we called them emerging elite. I don't know what they call them today,

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but,

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you know, the, it was certainly on. the

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cusp, and we were gonna try to do everything we could to help them get there, and,

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and that included looking at it differently.

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So

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it

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was great. It was a, it was a good start

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to this now looking at 22

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years, because it was 2002 that I got

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there in,

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in

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April. So,

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yeah, long time. Great.

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Well, well, well, Ty, you know, you mentioned that, you know, you had some great coaches, uh, obviously,

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but you just said there that Randy utilizes a different path to coaching, uh, methodologies. What was different

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about Randy's style, about, uh, the way that he' went about coaching?

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Um,

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it was, uh, different

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that... A- I'm gonna use this word, and I don't necessarily...

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And I use it a lot, and it, it plays a huge

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part, but I felt like every coach I had before was very templated in their

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approach. Meaning, they were using MetV's classic periodization.

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Uh, we had a general preparation phase,

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you know, that was all of the fall, and, and we were really looking at it, uh, from

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an East German or Russian perspective

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of the classical MetV

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of, of, you know, periodization. Uh, the way that we organized training, where we were doing lots of things like

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running 200s in the fall.

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You know, like, uh, we were doing all these things that, that we had traditionally seen coming out of East

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German. And granted, that, that experience for me,

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um,

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I think is a very good way to start young kids, especially with

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coaches who are coaching multiple disciplines, you know, where they're, they're having to coach groups of five or six

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different events, and it, it makes the system and the collegiate system work really well.

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Now, although

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Randy had spent time in the collegiate system, the vast majority

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of athletes that he coached, he was coaching the top 1%,

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uh, or he was taking guys that were maybe the top 10 or 15% trying

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to get them to the top

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1%. Well, from my perspective, I was a walk-on. I mean, I went to college to play football. I randomly...

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I mean, it was...

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There were so many things that had to align for me to even follow. I mean, I was a

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6'11" high

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jumper,

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um, in high school. I was a high jumper and a pole vaulter. I really threw the

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javelin, but I don't even think I threw 185 feet in high school. So it was

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random, randomized for track to start with

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for me. But Randy looked at it more

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from... I mean, I, I hate the... I think the word holistic is overused too much, but he really

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taught me to really look

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at, at the mechanisms that drive performance or the pillars that drive performance,

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and how do we evaluate an athlete of where they are versus where he wants them to go.

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So there wasn't this idea of, okay, we're gonna run 200s in this month, and then we're gonna drop down

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to 150s, and then we'll get into acceleration development.

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Like, when I started working with Randy, we ran acceleration development on day

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one, because that's all javelin throwing is, right? Like, it's, it's max velocity for, like, two strides, and it's acceleration

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development,

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and really he challenged me by saying, "Well, what is the purpose

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of running 200s

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when we're working in a, a different part of the anaerobic energy

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system to have transfer?" And then, of course, my answer

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would be,

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"Well, endurance." Well,

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endurance at lactate, not endurance at,

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um, you know, short speed endurance, like ASSE or anything, a lactic short speed endurance,

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and that's when I started going deeper into understanding the energy systems and what we had to do, and then

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taking

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really,

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um, this idea

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that just because it wasn't a traditional javelin mechanism-Doesn't mean that you can't implement things from other sports. So Randy

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incorporated a lot of the long jump and triple jump skills of using boxes to set up impulses and penultimate

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steps. That just wasn't... I mean, I'd been all around the world. I trained with the best

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people in the world, the best

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coaches in the world, and he had me doing things that were helping me get over some

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barrier, right? So in another words, I had reached a point where what I was doing got me to a

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certain

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point, and we knew that, look, I was physically challenged when it comes to, to being a javelin thrower, uh,

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both from a, um, from a speed perspective and specifically from a mobility perspective.

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Um, changed the way I did a warmup. I mean, the way that I looked at, okay,

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jog two laps, sit down, do static stretching, let's do some dynamic flexibility, and then let's,

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uh, do some sprint

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drills, which took me 45

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minutes, but it didn't really improve my movement quality. So all of these things together of, man, it was like

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this is completely different.

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Um,

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but what was interesting and the reason why I

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bought in is because Randy had the why behind what we were

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doing, okay? And, and Randy and I talk about this. I'm not the best coach

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for everybody. Like, there are some people that I coach that can't stand me, and there are some people that

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Randy work with that they just

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don't get it. Because the reason we work is because I'm trying

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to learn, and that's what drives me is, uh, learning,

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um, drives me is understanding, and Randy fed that for me. So he became like... I wouldn't even

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say Randy coached me. Randy was

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my consultant.

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Like, we worked together. It wasn't a, it wasn't a situation like typically when I was with other coaches,

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you came in on Monday and they gave you a workout, and you knew what you were doing for four

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weeks. With Randy, there was a lot of interaction and a lot of asking

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questions, of trying to figure out, because he was learning the technique of the javelin. I

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mean, I don't think there was any doubt. We were making some assumptions. I had a pretty good technical understanding

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of what I was trying to do,

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but the idea that I was looking for is, okay, I know what I'm supposed to be. doing. I'm doing

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sets of A, B, C, D, E, F in workouts, but it's not transferring to myself throwing

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farther. So it was the idea of, okay, let's learn how to get this, this problem figured out. Because

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to me it's all math,

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right? It's math and physics. I mean, i- it's, it's, it's not a thing of,

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okay, d- what does this feel like? It, that, that wasn't the way that

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I could be coached, because it's hard to know what feels right if you've

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never done it before, right? Like, it, it's hard to say, "Well, it should feel like this." And if you've

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ever thrown the javelin, from the time your right leg hits to your left leg hits and the throwing stride

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is .18 seconds.

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It's a hard, really hard to get any type of feeling out of

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that. So just a different, different, different approach to things, Gabe.

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Yeah, we had to,

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had to turn him into

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an artist. You know? That feel. So, I mean,

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Ty, Ty, you offered, you

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know, a really great perspective there on your experience, uh, as a athlete,

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uh, having a coach like Randy or let's say a consultant, like Randy. So Randy,

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um, I'm gonna flip that over to you. You meet Ty. It's 2001. I mean, you've taken this evolution

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of coaching now.

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Were you conscious that your style was different? Was this just the style that you always had?

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Did that change over time? Like, g- give us

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some background, maybe or, some insight

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as to your approach as a coach going to meet Ty and starting to work with Ty at that time.

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Well, this approach

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pretty

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much, um, emulated

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out of...

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I mean, it, it's...

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You know, I was,

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I was at Oregon, and I started my coaching

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career at Oregon, and I had nobody around me except for Dennis Whittle to really talk to about sprints,

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and Dennis left after the first year, so I was

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alone, and I, I volunteered for five years at Oregon. So beginning

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of my career was five years,

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six days on the track

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with the team,

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and I was there isolated.

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So in order for me to expand,

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I had to expand looking at other

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sports. Gymnastics.

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Um,

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I had Polish coaches, so I got a chance... They were on the track with

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other athletes, so I had a chance to see how the Polish

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system worked. Dennis Whittle was English, so I had to see how he approached

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it through that, the structure of the English system.

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And

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then, uh, not long thereafter, I had Russians nearby,

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and so I was able to see them.

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So I'm just, uh, innately curious,

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and

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what,

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what

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developed was a coaching style

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that took its time

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to figure out what, what, what really needed

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to change. And,

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um, so I wasn't like everybody else, because I wasn't around them,

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so I didn't have anybody molding me or forming me into the coaches that you would see that, that some

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of the, that, that, uh, Ty has mentioned. Um, you know, I read everything I could get my hands on.

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You know, my nickname was Bompa Man back in

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the day, then it became Mr. Gizmo

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later on, because I knew Bompa like the back of my hand. And,

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and it, it, it, it was allowing me to take all those different elements that,

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that, that I had,

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um, that my curiosity had led me to

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and structure them, you know, through

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that,

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that, that initial Bompa,

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uh, periodization

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planning. Um, you know, I'd read Matveyev. I'd read all of the stuff, and it's...

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But I didn't have anybody to talk to

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about it, so I had to start developing, analyzing, and synthesizing my own coaching philosophy or coaching way.

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And

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by the time I got to Ty, which was

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20... What is that? 26

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years later. You know, I was in my 27th year of coaching,

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I think, at that point. It was, for me, with a new event-An exciting event because, you know, at

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Oregon javelin was pretty

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popular. I mean,

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we had Brian, and we had Radar, and we had a bunch of guys there that were from the Scandinavian

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countries that w- that threw the javelin pretty well.

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I never paid much attention except to watch some of their training,

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but

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I wanted to know more about

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his,

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Ty's,

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problems, and what his body brought, what he was doing. Um, you know, the science is pretty

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easy to read. I mean, as an aside to this, later

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on, you know, I spent two years with Kari, who Ty had pl- had, had gone to visit, and

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I don't know f- how long you spent with Kari, actually.

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Um- Two years. Two years. Yeah,

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I mean,

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you know, w-

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so I had a chance after Ty to actually learn a whole lot about the javelin, which he already knew,

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you know.

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A- and so for me, I was free

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to express and for, and, and to... You know, I mean, obviously when you're doing this with an athlete,

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it's not easy. I did it with Mike Powell,

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Willie Banks,

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all of them, I mean, all the way down the line. Some people could handle it

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and some can't. Um, some people think when you're doing that, you don't know

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what you're talking about, but they don't really see that what you're doing is

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you're developing the, the, the system to help them,

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and you can

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only do that by figuring out what all the different elements really are, if you don't

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know them.

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And it wasn't my forte.

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Um, I'd had a chance that I was lucky enough to work with Gideon

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Ariel and,

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you know, a- and, and I knew biomechanics.

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And so when Ty started talking and going through these things, it was like,

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okay,

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I am... He, he pointed out, I am known for

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going out and reaching in another area and pulling that information in, and utilizing

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it in the, the specific event area

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or sport. It's, it's not uncommon for me to do

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that. Um, you know, I, I'll, I'll use dance, I'll

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use gymnastics, I'll use football, I'll use baseball, I'll use different, different elements, and, uh,

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it gives you, I think, a greater base

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to pull

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from, and a greater understanding of what every

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sport is, and what the basic

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elements can cross over

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into the sports. You know, and at that time, I was just getting into

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LTAD, um, because, um,

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um...

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I've just forgotten his name. Uh, Balazsi Izsó.

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Balazsi had just started writing about it, you know,

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up in Canada. And so with, in, in, in the case of Ty

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and some of the others, I went backwards

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into the, the basic, basic motor

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skills, or fundamental motor

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skills if you wish, and got away from the specific sport skills and went back to fundamentals, which is

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what the warm-up was. The warm, the warm-up

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I've created in 1983

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was similar to the one Ty

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was doing then, and it was just a bi- it was a general

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warm-up. It was meant to take every

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aspect of the body and figure out

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with my coaching eye where the problems were in that athlete's

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movement skills, and then I could go and start correcting general movement

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skills, and then those would allow Ty,

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once he created a greater

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base... And this is my philosophy.

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Once you create a greater base of athletic skills,

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of movement

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skills, fundamental

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movement skills, now the athlete has a whole lot of selection to go back to, to pull up to create

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new

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movement patterns, and

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that's the key to coaching,

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you know,

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really. So

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that, uh, that

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style is, you know, as I said, same thing I did with Mike Powell,

00:22:01.012 --> 00:22:04.932
same thing I did with Willie Banks, same thing I've done with the Chinese and the Koreans.

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Uh, and, and it takes a little longer,

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and it takes the right athletes, and it takes a disciplined athlete, which Ty was. You know,

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I mean, if you didn't have discipline,

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you can't, you can't do that. And it takes a smart

00:22:18.112 --> 00:22:18.532
athlete.

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Um, in my case, I probably don't work with dumb

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dumbs very well. Um,

00:22:24.732 --> 00:22:24.932
it, it

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just... It, because there's an intellectual capacity that I think you have to have

00:22:29.812 --> 00:22:35.092
and that, that, that when you're that good, you can separate it as the athlete and go do the

00:22:35.132 --> 00:22:36.052
skill and come back

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out of it, and learn and, and, and go through the intellectual process of changing.

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Yeah, that's great. I mean, you started, both of you, started to provide, um,

00:22:47.112 --> 00:22:51.212
Randy there, some insight into your style,

00:22:51.852 --> 00:22:57.012
right? Ty had mentioned meeting athletes where they're at, meeting him where he was at, and then figuring out where

00:22:57.081 --> 00:22:57.132
he

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wanted to go, and then you also started to allude towards your philosophy or these principles of training. Uh, you

00:23:03.812 --> 00:23:07.172
hinted at some of the elements of your training, talking specifically about

00:23:07.272 --> 00:23:09.992
LTAD, um, pulling from different sports in

00:23:10.052 --> 00:23:14.172
order to maybe create a, a broad movement library for athletes.

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So I wanna go further

00:23:16.152 --> 00:23:17.932
on that and ask

00:23:18.012 --> 00:23:22.932
about some of your other foundational principles or philosophies of training.

00:23:23.232 --> 00:23:25.992
Uh, no matter who the athlete is that you're working

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with, um, what can you lean on? Right? You had mentioned his warm-up. What are some other things that, "Hey,

00:23:31.092 --> 00:23:32.062
no matter who I'm working with

00:23:32.112 --> 00:23:35.012
here, this is, these are the principles of what we are

00:23:35.052 --> 00:23:35.302
doing"?

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Well, that's a big question.

00:23:42.472 --> 00:23:42.672
Um,

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you know, physical literacy is number

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one, even in, and, and

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it,

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and we wish,

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I wish that there was more of it being done in the United

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States, 'cause then it would make my job easier

00:23:57.032 --> 00:23:59.552
later on. Um,

00:24:01.152 --> 00:24:04.562
probably, you know, I, I started out coaching women's gymnastics,

00:24:05.132 --> 00:24:08.572
uh, purposefully because I wanted to teach my eye to see,

00:24:09.012 --> 00:24:09.092
and

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I think that a big part of what I do is, is, is the visual,

00:24:13.772 --> 00:24:13.962
and when

00:24:14.032 --> 00:24:18.952
I say that, it's the visual flow. I mean, the javelin is such a flow s- flow

00:24:19.052 --> 00:24:21.192
event, you know. I mean, it is.

00:24:21.812 --> 00:24:22.082
And,

00:24:22.652 --> 00:24:24.992
you know, it, the, it... Recently I've seen people talking

00:24:25.052 --> 00:24:30.024
about shapes. Well, flow and shapes go together, and shapes have always been partOf,

00:24:30.864 --> 00:24:31.144
of,

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uh, my thought process since

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the, the, now I guess

00:24:35.104 --> 00:24:35.984
the late, mid to

00:24:36.024 --> 00:24:41.224
late '80s. You know, when I was, when I was exposed to Mabel Todd by Dr. Hay,

00:24:41.984 --> 00:24:42.164
um,

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Mabel was a dance instructor, and her

00:24:46.024 --> 00:24:49.084
a- approach to anatomy and movement was all about shapes.

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And,

00:24:50.394 --> 00:24:53.104
and so when I see things, I see flow,

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I see

00:24:54.024 --> 00:24:58.024
shape flow. And, and I look for breaks in the shape, the, you

00:24:58.064 --> 00:25:00.204
know. And what we might now today

00:25:00.264 --> 00:25:02.064
call, uh, power leaks.

00:25:02.624 --> 00:25:06.244
But those power leaks show up in shapes in the flow of the event.

00:25:07.064 --> 00:25:12.284
And, and with Ty, there was an obvious problem that was showing up, if I recall,

00:25:12.824 --> 00:25:13.084
on his

00:25:13.144 --> 00:25:14.964
right foot, uh, I think it was

00:25:15.144 --> 00:25:19.144
initially, that there was... He was camping on it a little bit. And

00:25:19.204 --> 00:25:21.024
so there was a flow, there was a flow

00:25:21.104 --> 00:25:25.084
change, and it didn't carry through, which is what we look for in the long jump and triple

00:25:25.164 --> 00:25:26.464
jump as well, in the penultimate.

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You're

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looking for flow through that and no stoppage,

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and, and you see the flow of the shape. Today it's easier, 'cause you got cameras, and you can put

00:25:35.144 --> 00:25:35.444
shapes

00:25:35.504 --> 00:25:37.164
in there, and you can see the whole thing

00:25:37.244 --> 00:25:40.944
all the way through. Back in the day, you couldn't do that. Your, your eye had to do

00:25:41.004 --> 00:25:42.244
it. And,

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um, that's one element.

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The other

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one of course is the m- the

00:25:47.024 --> 00:25:47.784
medical side.

00:25:48.544 --> 00:25:50.284
Um, getting somebody

00:25:50.344 --> 00:25:52.044
healthy. And when I mean healthy,

00:25:52.604 --> 00:25:53.214
I don't mean

00:25:53.264 --> 00:25:56.274
just healthy as a human being. That's

00:25:56.344 --> 00:26:01.224
vital, because the, the javelin in it- in, in itself is a very unhealthy

00:26:01.384 --> 00:26:04.004
event. I mean, you're smashing the hell outta that left

00:26:04.064 --> 00:26:08.204
leg. You are, um,

00:26:08.284 --> 00:26:11.084
uh, y- you're, you're dominant on one side

00:26:11.144 --> 00:26:16.164
over the other. Balance will kill you. If you try to balance out both sides of the body, you'll ruin

00:26:16.204 --> 00:26:19.124
a javelin thrower. Um, same thing in, in, in other

00:26:19.204 --> 00:26:22.124
sports. Um, but in, in certain sports

00:26:22.164 --> 00:26:26.914
you have to balance, you know? So you have to be aware of, of how that, that body

00:26:27.044 --> 00:26:29.944
works. And you know, when I first started looking

00:26:30.084 --> 00:26:33.034
at... And, and I look today

00:26:33.404 --> 00:26:35.784
more than ever, because in, in, in 1998,

00:26:36.464 --> 00:26:44.184
um, they came out with the article T3, which was really the first describing article about the fascia

00:26:44.804 --> 00:26:44.984
in the

00:26:45.004 --> 00:26:48.104
body, the first, the first one that really went out and looked at it from

00:26:48.144 --> 00:26:48.704
a massage

00:26:49.024 --> 00:26:50.964
therapy standpoint. But I saw it

00:26:51.044 --> 00:26:52.904
strictly from an energy stre-

00:26:53.144 --> 00:26:53.724
standpoint.

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So

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when, um, when Thomas Myers wrote that article and it was handed to

00:27:00.064 --> 00:27:01.044
me, I went, "Oh my

00:27:01.084 --> 00:27:02.124
gosh. This

00:27:02.164 --> 00:27:08.784
is, this is everything Gideon and Dr. Hay have been describing to me in terms of how you produce force

00:27:08.884 --> 00:27:09.224
and,

00:27:09.224 --> 00:27:09.613
and power."

00:27:10.284 --> 00:27:16.094
And, um, you know, so I dug into the fascia right away in '98, and started talking about everybody

00:27:16.144 --> 00:27:18.324
about it. And, and that's where I saw

00:27:18.904 --> 00:27:19.184
Ty

00:27:19.224 --> 00:27:21.024
not accessing his

00:27:21.064 --> 00:27:25.204
fascia. That was... And I do, I see that in everybody. Are they accessing

00:27:25.664 --> 00:27:26.164
the fascial

00:27:26.264 --> 00:27:26.604
power?

00:27:27.024 --> 00:27:28.064
You know, and, and the way

00:27:28.164 --> 00:27:30.344
I view it is, is as the muscles

00:27:31.184 --> 00:27:32.044
are, are set up

00:27:32.084 --> 00:27:36.214
the joints or reposition the joints to take advantage of that fascial power.

00:27:37.064 --> 00:27:38.044
'Cause when you start

00:27:38.084 --> 00:27:39.984
looking at, at what we do in

00:27:40.004 --> 00:27:40.604
the sprints,

00:27:41.184 --> 00:27:43.124
when you're under, you know, .1,

00:27:43.504 --> 00:27:44.424
you're in non-volitional

00:27:44.464 --> 00:27:49.504
territory. You can't voluntarily do that. You know? And, and so if you're in non-volitional,

00:27:50.184 --> 00:27:50.984
then what's giving

00:27:51.044 --> 00:27:52.074
you power? You're,

00:27:52.124 --> 00:27:57.784
you're repositioning, but how are you getting it? And it's, it's all the elastic elements, and there's, there's many. There's

00:27:57.794 --> 00:27:58.024
not

00:27:58.104 --> 00:28:00.184
just fascia, and not just superficial

00:28:00.244 --> 00:28:06.604
fascia. But it is a contributing factor that wasn't being talked about. You know, obviously muscle,

00:28:06.724 --> 00:28:14.184
um, tendons, even the ligaments involved. And, you know, with, with people discovering titin here recently,

00:28:14.724 --> 00:28:19.004
and, and looking at not just actin-myosin, but the helical nature of titin in the muscle cell,

00:28:19.344 --> 00:28:21.064
now that's starting to explain even more.

00:28:21.404 --> 00:28:22.284
So we look at...

00:28:22.344 --> 00:28:25.264
I just, I, I, I pull from a lot of different areas

00:28:26.064 --> 00:28:26.944
in, in, in

00:28:27.204 --> 00:28:32.184
physiology. You know, strength training, I was always a big part

00:28:32.384 --> 00:28:35.094
of, you know, trying to learn as much as I could,

00:28:35.784 --> 00:28:38.204
and it was pretty early on where I started to see

00:28:38.284 --> 00:28:40.044
that we were training people to be

00:28:40.104 --> 00:28:40.344
slow,

00:28:41.364 --> 00:28:43.104
that, you know, if you do things like

00:28:43.144 --> 00:28:45.184
hurdle hops, high hurdle hops were great

00:28:45.204 --> 00:28:47.184
for the high jump, but poor

00:28:47.204 --> 00:28:49.144
for the long jump, 'cause there's a different time

00:28:49.224 --> 00:28:54.244
coding. You know? And diff- and, and poor for the sprints, 'cause you're teaching somebody to move

00:28:54.284 --> 00:28:56.384
at .18, .2,

00:28:56.764 --> 00:28:59.084
and you wanna move at .08. And, and,

00:28:59.204 --> 00:29:01.134
and so the transfer wasn't very

00:29:01.204 --> 00:29:01.524
great.

00:29:02.264 --> 00:29:03.844
Um, box jumps,

00:29:04.124 --> 00:29:06.864
you're looking at, you know, different variations. I mean,

00:29:07.004 --> 00:29:07.484
all this

00:29:08.064 --> 00:29:08.324
just

00:29:09.184 --> 00:29:09.704
came to be,

00:29:10.164 --> 00:29:12.044
you know? And that

00:29:12.124 --> 00:29:13.984
what... And, and not to move into

00:29:14.044 --> 00:29:16.004
this, but, you know,

00:29:16.464 --> 00:29:19.044
and, and, and I know this is one of the discussions

00:29:19.084 --> 00:29:21.644
you wanna have, but in, in 1983

00:29:22.524 --> 00:29:24.144
I had left Oregon and gone

00:29:24.184 --> 00:29:26.144
to the PGA and opened

00:29:26.204 --> 00:29:29.024
up the health club in, in Palm Beach, Florida.

00:29:30.324 --> 00:29:31.284
So I was working with the PGA

00:29:31.344 --> 00:29:33.124
Senior Tour. And,

00:29:33.204 --> 00:29:33.344
uh,

00:29:34.124 --> 00:29:34.284
uh,

00:29:34.624 --> 00:29:40.984
Gary, Gary's passed away now, but he was an Oregon grad, so he really... And there

00:29:41.004 --> 00:29:43.344
was three of us from Oregon that were there at the PGA.

00:29:44.044 --> 00:29:45.404
Joyce, Stuart, Gary, and myself.

00:29:46.564 --> 00:29:47.104
And I went

00:29:47.144 --> 00:29:49.884
and started this, this facility, and, and

00:29:50.004 --> 00:29:53.084
helped the guy create this facility in a little hotel.

00:29:54.024 --> 00:29:56.024
And from there I happened to go down

00:29:56.084 --> 00:29:59.084
to the first strength convention that I'd ever been

00:29:59.184 --> 00:29:59.324
to,

00:30:00.044 --> 00:30:03.124
uh, down in Miami, and that's where I ran into,

00:30:03.344 --> 00:30:03.564
um,

00:30:04.344 --> 00:30:07.244
David, uh, I don't know if David's last name.

00:30:07.644 --> 00:30:11.904
Dennis would remember it, but I always forget it. He's in the UK now, I believe. But

00:30:12.004 --> 00:30:12.964
he had Keiser.

00:30:13.004 --> 00:30:14.904
there. And I, it was, to me

00:30:15.004 --> 00:30:19.024
it was like the light bulb goes off like other things we're gonna talk about.

00:30:19.364 --> 00:30:20.964
The light bulb went off, I went, "Oh, wait

00:30:21.004 --> 00:30:22.504
a minute. I have resistance?"

00:30:22.684 --> 00:30:24.364
You know? At speed.

00:30:25.444 --> 00:30:26.024
I mean, I can't g-

00:30:26.184 --> 00:30:26.684
I mean, it's just

00:30:27.004 --> 00:30:27.384
like, oh,

00:30:28.444 --> 00:30:28.874
big time,

00:30:29.344 --> 00:30:32.844
you know? And at that time there was only a CD, there was only a CDGs, there was only a

00:30:32.884 --> 00:30:35.014
leg extension, leg curl for me to play with,

00:30:35.484 --> 00:30:39.904
but I got it. And-Again, it's like other things. You pull it

00:30:40.004 --> 00:30:42.014
in because nobody had ever heard of

00:30:42.024 --> 00:30:46.384
it before, and it was still relatively new in the world.

00:30:46.504 --> 00:30:46.824
Um,

00:30:48.124 --> 00:30:51.984
and I felt that this was going to be an important part, so we actually

00:30:52.024 --> 00:30:55.604
put Keiser in, into the Breakers Hotel in 1984.

00:30:56.904 --> 00:31:00.164
This is one of the first... I mean, the Breakers Hotel, if you know the Breakers, that's a big deal,

00:31:00.584 --> 00:31:00.624
you

00:31:00.664 --> 00:31:00.764
know?

00:31:01.644 --> 00:31:03.164
So, uh, the Breakers

00:31:03.224 --> 00:31:05.544
had, you know, was exposing

00:31:06.084 --> 00:31:08.164
Keiser to a whole bunch of really rich

00:31:08.184 --> 00:31:09.064
folks, uh,

00:31:09.504 --> 00:31:10.044
down there in Palm

00:31:10.103 --> 00:31:10.424
Beach.

00:31:11.584 --> 00:31:14.024
Yeah. Well, Randy, what jumped out to me there

00:31:14.324 --> 00:31:14.604
was,

00:31:15.504 --> 00:31:19.984
you know, and, and thank you for, um, all the information there. I think what really jumped out

00:31:20.004 --> 00:31:20.044
to

00:31:20.084 --> 00:31:24.664
me what was awesome to hear is that you actually started on purpose, uh, with women's gymnastics, so you can

00:31:24.764 --> 00:31:28.004
see these shapes and flows. I thought that was really awesome. Mm-hmm. And I think all the things

00:31:28.044 --> 00:31:32.044
you said, um, can be summarized in something you alluded to earlier, which

00:31:32.084 --> 00:31:36.094
was your curiosity. Like, you were very- Mm-hmm ... curious, and I think taking these

00:31:36.104 --> 00:31:42.024
paths, um, and pulling from all these different areas allowed you to kind of create your own system, um,

00:31:42.064 --> 00:31:44.004
which Ty said was a very unique

00:31:44.044 --> 00:31:51.154
system. So Ty, a similar question to you. You know, y- your coaching and your experience as an athlete were,

00:31:51.184 --> 00:31:53.054
were very connected. I mean, Randy was saying,

00:31:53.984 --> 00:31:57.044
you know, Ty was basically coaching himself, and you were saying, "Hey, I was basically coaching myself

00:31:57.104 --> 00:31:57.204
by

00:31:57.224 --> 00:31:58.974
the end of college." Um, so for

00:31:59.104 --> 00:32:00.084
you, as

00:32:00.124 --> 00:32:05.004
you've grown, uh, as you transitioned from athlete to coach, and over your years

00:32:05.024 --> 00:32:08.964
of coaching, what are some of these foundational principles of training

00:32:09.124 --> 00:32:11.144
for you in your style and your

00:32:11.184 --> 00:32:18.364
systems? Yeah, no, I just want to clarify. I was kind of coachless in that transition between college and, and,

00:32:18.484 --> 00:32:24.394
uh, the Olympic Training, Training Center for that year where I was kind of in hiatus. I will say that

00:32:24.544 --> 00:32:29.204
100% as a college athlete, I mean, Juan de la Garza was

00:32:29.664 --> 00:32:31.383
the guy. Like, I didn't...

00:32:31.864 --> 00:32:36.164
We had the same type of relationship, but there wasn't a whole lot

00:32:36.264 --> 00:32:41.044
of, um... I didn't have any alternative methods to be able

00:32:41.124 --> 00:32:47.084
to bring to the table from the side of the athlete. You know, he took a guy who was a

00:32:47.144 --> 00:32:53.524
non, playing football and started off as a decathlete, and then in, you know, by the time I got to,

00:32:53.624 --> 00:32:59.124
um, got to university, I mean, I went from a kid who got zero letters as a javelin thrower

00:32:59.164 --> 00:33:01.104
to being a two-time All-American and breaking the school

00:33:01.144 --> 00:33:07.464
record. So just want to clarify in college, um, that there was no doubt that I had a great experience,

00:33:07.524 --> 00:33:14.004
and I don't think anybody could have got me to the point that I got to in college like

00:33:14.044 --> 00:33:14.244
Juan

00:33:14.304 --> 00:33:14.944
did. Um,

00:33:15.364 --> 00:33:20.124
now again, because I've had these big backgrounds, and I think

00:33:20.204 --> 00:33:24.064
from more of an education perspective

00:33:24.184 --> 00:33:28.204
of how do I take my knowledge and be able to help other people

00:33:28.244 --> 00:33:31.184
with it, uh, that's something that I've always been interested

00:33:31.244 --> 00:33:38.944
in, um, and it's something I've taken from my earlier coaches and, and it was the ability to educate the

00:33:39.044 --> 00:33:44.114
athlete as they go along. So in my mind, I've come up, and I'll use this word, templated, right?

00:33:44.324 --> 00:33:46.324
So i- it's, the idea

00:33:47.204 --> 00:33:50.954
is the soft skills of coaching and the relationship aspect of it is about

00:33:51.024 --> 00:33:57.684
communication, and I had to be able to communicate these things you're talking to in a very simple way to

00:33:57.704 --> 00:34:00.274
athletes, especially when you go back to the collegiate system,

00:34:01.144 --> 00:34:04.964
uh, where you have to get their buy-in and you have to be able to explain things.

00:34:05.144 --> 00:34:08.164
Uh, it's become even harder now with all the information

00:34:08.204 --> 00:34:10.043
on the internet. So in my

00:34:10.164 --> 00:34:13.004
mind, what Randy said is I take some

00:34:13.043 --> 00:34:15.764
things for granted. Uh, I take for

00:34:16.043 --> 00:34:23.904
granted meaning that it's a non-negotiable about discipline and, and working hard and being passionate

00:34:24.004 --> 00:34:29.764
about what you're doing. So we kind of take those as non-negotiables. So let's put that aside and say that

00:34:29.824 --> 00:34:32.543
everybody's coming in as we're gonna have discipline,

00:34:33.264 --> 00:34:36.264
we're gonna be thoughtful, and we're gonna be,

00:34:36.964 --> 00:34:38.063
uh, involved in

00:34:38.083 --> 00:34:43.964
the process. We're gonna work hard, and we're gonna make this a priority, so we'll put those aside. So I

00:34:44.004 --> 00:34:46.364
break it into three main, I call it the performance

00:34:46.444 --> 00:34:51.304
triad. Now, the performance triad to me is a 60,000-foot overview,

00:34:51.884 --> 00:34:55.184
and it consists of three things that are all intertwined,

00:34:56.364 --> 00:34:56.724
um,

00:34:57.484 --> 00:34:59.464
is the physical competency.

00:35:00.124 --> 00:35:02.134
Now, when we talk about physical competency,

00:35:02.624 --> 00:35:03.014
physical

00:35:03.044 --> 00:35:06.984
compe- competency looks very different depending on what

00:35:07.024 --> 00:35:16.224
you're doing, and the role that physical competency plays in the endeavor varies depending. So for example, if I'm coaching

00:35:16.264 --> 00:35:23.953
sprinters, the matchup between what a physical competency and the physical skills that a person brings to the

00:35:24.044 --> 00:35:31.654
table, there's only very few people that are born with the ability to run under 10 seconds. Whereas if I'm

00:35:31.704 --> 00:35:33.024
coaching a collegiate

00:35:33.064 --> 00:35:39.664
hammer thrower, and no disrespect to collegiate hammer throwers, but you can take a person with much less physical skills

00:35:39.674 --> 00:35:41.344
and completely dominate

00:35:42.244 --> 00:35:47.124
the best athletes in the world because the second part is the technical/tactical aspect

00:35:47.204 --> 00:35:47.364
of it,

00:35:48.304 --> 00:35:48.584
okay?

00:35:49.304 --> 00:35:52.144
Um, and the technical/tactical aspect is gonna

00:35:52.184 --> 00:35:57.424
be the same thing. You know, you look at archery, for example, and the technical/tactical, which I lived with some

00:35:57.464 --> 00:35:57.994
archers at

00:35:58.044 --> 00:36:01.164
the Olympic Training Center. That's gonna vastly outweigh

00:36:02.404 --> 00:36:02.924
the physical

00:36:03.044 --> 00:36:10.274
side of it, and the technical/tactical aspects are gonna be determined by the physical aspects.

00:36:11.004 --> 00:36:16.214
So i- if we talk about different, different mechanisms that drive that,

00:36:16.964 --> 00:36:21.204
that brings me back to kind of jumping the gun, but it's kind of like you test, evaluate,

00:36:21.224 --> 00:36:22.084
and you prescribe.

00:36:23.044 --> 00:36:30.984
But that all looks different, and that's where I think the templated approach falls really short in

00:36:31.024 --> 00:36:38.064
my mind, uh, is because you're really trying to match up the physical skills that a person has versus what

00:36:38.104 --> 00:36:43.088
the demands for the sport are.And depending on what those physical skills are, the

00:36:43.148 --> 00:36:49.488
technical or the technical aspects of that sport are gonna be dependent on what their physical capabilities

00:36:49.548 --> 00:36:53.948
are. And the last one is mental competency. A- and this is one

00:36:54.068 --> 00:37:00.108
that I think, you know, people try to say, "Well, physical comp- uh, mental competency doesn't

00:37:00.148 --> 00:37:06.308
have anything to do with your physical skills or your technical or tactical capabilities." And that's a big argument from

00:37:06.348 --> 00:37:13.228
psychologists. Um, and in my mind, uh, there's no right or wrong answer, and everybody gets it from a different

00:37:13.248 --> 00:37:19.008
perspective. Like, that's as individual of how a person becomes confident as it is how we get

00:37:19.048 --> 00:37:24.368
people strong. So that's a 60,000 point view. And then on, on this big triad,

00:37:24.888 --> 00:37:27.198
you know, people say, "Well, what is injury prevention?"

00:37:28.568 --> 00:37:31.058
My definition of injury prevention is,

00:37:31.268 --> 00:37:34.008
is that I believe that if you look at

00:37:34.048 --> 00:37:34.908
it, like at the,

00:37:35.308 --> 00:37:38.288
the, the greatest macro perspective,

00:37:39.548 --> 00:37:40.988
it's the ability for

00:37:41.088 --> 00:37:44.528
the hu- the human body to overcome forces

00:37:45.408 --> 00:37:46.948
at all speeds and all

00:37:47.008 --> 00:37:58.118
directions. That, that's really what it is. So, you know, like, all of that injury prevention is a combination of

00:37:58.188 --> 00:37:58.428
all

00:37:58.468 --> 00:38:04.308
three. A- and you may ask, "Well, how would that be mental competency?" And I say, "Well, because

00:38:04.388 --> 00:38:08.548
if I run in there in the javelin, and I take my..." I'm just using the javelin because, I mean,

00:38:08.648 --> 00:38:11.308
I could use other sports. I've played a vast of other sports.

00:38:12.848 --> 00:38:17.388
But if I run there in the javelin, and I hit my impulse step, and I land on my penultimate

00:38:17.508 --> 00:38:20.108
stride, and I am absolutely

00:38:20.568 --> 00:38:26.928
not mentally strong enough to let my body do, I put it in a position from a physics perspective,

00:38:27.028 --> 00:38:29.248
my s- my right foot is landing right

00:38:29.348 --> 00:38:31.268
over my center

00:38:31.308 --> 00:38:33.088
of mass. If my right

00:38:33.188 --> 00:38:37.328
foot, my center of mass is right over my right foot, I've got forward momentum,

00:38:38.308 --> 00:38:44.968
there is nothing outside of my mental fear. And you can say it's fear, and until you've thrown the

00:38:45.008 --> 00:38:48.988
javelin over 80 meters of knowing what it's like to come in there a- and put your left foot

00:38:49.028 --> 00:38:52.468
down, moving over seven meters per second, and you're trying to lock it completely

00:38:52.588 --> 00:38:54.328
out with your body straight,

00:38:55.548 --> 00:38:56.548
that hesitation

00:38:57.728 --> 00:38:59.308
from not being mentally strong

00:38:59.928 --> 00:39:02.098
creates a blocking mechanism of leaning

00:39:02.108 --> 00:39:09.928
back, of dropping your left side out, putting your foot down, and putting your lumbar spine in a very compromised

00:39:09.998 --> 00:39:16.108
place. So what is that really? That is putting a force on your body

00:39:16.188 --> 00:39:18.488
at a very awkward

00:39:18.588 --> 00:39:21.308
angle in a very bad position.

00:39:22.328 --> 00:39:22.848
So, so

00:39:23.028 --> 00:39:27.038
me, to me, you know, injury prevention is not

00:39:27.148 --> 00:39:30.088
a, it's an overalling ethos of

00:39:30.148 --> 00:39:32.948
like don't do, don't do damage to your

00:39:33.008 --> 00:39:38.008
body, but it involves your physical, your mental, and your technical and tactical

00:39:38.108 --> 00:39:43.028
capabilities. Like, people don't pull hamstrings for the most part

00:39:43.508 --> 00:39:45.308
because they are

00:39:45.388 --> 00:39:47.028
weak. You know?

00:39:47.128 --> 00:39:51.108
Like, little kids run all the time and don't pull

00:39:51.168 --> 00:39:54.348
hamstrings. You're putting yourself in a bad position.

00:39:55.368 --> 00:40:00.108
You're breaking, and you're using the hamstrings to pull yourself across the ground

00:40:00.868 --> 00:40:02.348
as opposed to what the purpose

00:40:02.448 --> 00:40:05.088
of it is, is, is to rebound your

00:40:05.128 --> 00:40:11.068
lower limb. So I mean, there, there's lots of things that go into this injury prevention, and that's one thing

00:40:11.088 --> 00:40:12.088
that I'm pretty passionate

00:40:12.148 --> 00:40:19.198
about. Yes, we can do things to strengthen our... You know, everybody wants to say, "Well, you're pulling hamstrings

00:40:19.228 --> 00:40:21.148
because your physical preparation is not good."

00:40:21.798 --> 00:40:25.088
And I would say that if you looked at, for the NFL, for

00:40:25.148 --> 00:40:27.608
example, it could be preparation,

00:40:28.208 --> 00:40:30.268
meaning that a coach is putting too much volume

00:40:30.308 --> 00:40:35.688
on a person that they haven't done in the off-season, in the first three days of spring training they do

00:40:35.728 --> 00:40:37.468
copious amounts of volume,

00:40:38.188 --> 00:40:43.068
and then when they get fatigued and tired, their technical and tactical ability to run breaks down,

00:40:43.088 --> 00:40:44.008
and they pull a hamstring.

00:40:45.488 --> 00:40:51.108
So, like, this is not just... Like, it, it kinda goes back to that same philosophy as Randy, right? It's

00:40:51.148 --> 00:40:55.028
like, "Oh, people are pulling hamstrings. Just get them on a NordBoard and get their hamstrings stronger."

00:40:55.908 --> 00:40:58.088
You're, you're, you're, you're really not

00:40:58.408 --> 00:41:00.987
paying close attention to what is

00:41:01.048 --> 00:41:03.268
causing, what is the root problem.

00:41:05.508 --> 00:41:10.058
I mean, it, it really, it comes into that. So all of that plays into, to, to

00:41:10.088 --> 00:41:14.068
how we do these, and that's why I try to stay away from, "Well, what's the best thing you

00:41:14.108 --> 00:41:16.168
can do?" Well, it goes back to,

00:41:16.548 --> 00:41:20.068
it goes back to what I learned from Randy is, is you gotta know the sport,

00:41:20.148 --> 00:41:24.418
you gotta know the athlete, and you gotta know the environment that they're performing

00:41:24.448 --> 00:41:27.068
in, because once you get people fatigued

00:41:27.588 --> 00:41:31.248
and you start moving at high velocities, now there's some things you can do to combat that.

00:41:32.468 --> 00:41:32.918
But I,

00:41:33.128 --> 00:41:37.108
I think, um, I stick to those three things, and then everything else filters

00:41:37.128 --> 00:41:41.348
down under that. That's great. Randy, anything

00:41:41.408 --> 00:41:41.828
to, uh,

00:41:42.168 --> 00:41:44.108
add onto that? No, I mean,

00:41:45.388 --> 00:41:45.568
um,

00:41:47.508 --> 00:41:52.168
what Ty's just projected to us is, is, you know, is that ability to look at the forest

00:41:52.188 --> 00:41:52.278
and

00:41:52.288 --> 00:41:57.448
not the trees, which is, you know, in, in, in other terms is we call the needs analysis,

00:41:57.948 --> 00:41:58.018
you

00:41:58.048 --> 00:42:00.098
know, essentially. And, um,

00:42:01.048 --> 00:42:01.088
you

00:42:01.128 --> 00:42:05.088
know, we have, we ha- we have to be able to have that global

00:42:05.128 --> 00:42:10.348
view. Without it, you, there's no way you can even look at the tree. And, and he's, he's absolutely

00:42:10.428 --> 00:42:10.948
spot on.

00:42:11.488 --> 00:42:14.048
Um, uh, different terminologies for

00:42:14.088 --> 00:42:16.408
different coaches, but without,

00:42:16.988 --> 00:42:20.028
without that understanding of a needs analysis, without understanding who the

00:42:20.068 --> 00:42:20.668
person is,

00:42:21.468 --> 00:42:23.068
w- so w- w- who's the person?

00:42:23.748 --> 00:42:23.928
What

00:42:24.048 --> 00:42:25.348
is, what are the demands

00:42:25.388 --> 00:42:30.088
of the event? And then how do you, how do you c- you know, bring this person

00:42:30.488 --> 00:42:31.028
to meet those

00:42:31.048 --> 00:42:31.528
demands?

00:42:32.068 --> 00:42:34.048
And can they? I mean, do they even

00:42:34.108 --> 00:42:36.128
look like those people over there?

00:42:36.448 --> 00:42:36.488
You

00:42:36.528 --> 00:42:38.148
know. And, you know, just

00:42:38.168 --> 00:42:44.138
Ty said earlier, "You know, I'm, I was not gifted physically." You know. That's because he was comparing himself

00:42:44.168 --> 00:42:48.028
to all the other javelin throwers in the world. And, and, and they're all different.

00:42:48.564 --> 00:42:51.004
Although the best ones, I mean, I, I was roommates

00:42:51.084 --> 00:42:52.244
with a couple

00:42:52.304 --> 00:42:52.584
of them.

00:42:53.764 --> 00:42:55.004
You know, one who threw

00:42:55.904 --> 00:42:56.944
darn length of the soccer

00:42:57.024 --> 00:42:58.244
field, um,

00:42:58.644 --> 00:42:59.184
and Uwe,

00:42:59.524 --> 00:43:00.284
and then Kari.

00:43:00.844 --> 00:43:03.084
And, and, you know, and tha- that's a guy who's 6'9"

00:43:03.144 --> 00:43:03.963
and a guy who's

00:43:04.444 --> 00:43:04.464
6',

00:43:05.024 --> 00:43:05.984
6'1". And

00:43:06.084 --> 00:43:06.204
so,

00:43:06.644 --> 00:43:09.264
you know, what was the difference between those guys

00:43:09.284 --> 00:43:11.964
when they trained? And the German system, and the Finnish system,

00:43:12.004 --> 00:43:13.974
and the Czech, and Russian,

00:43:14.024 --> 00:43:16.044
and Bulgarian. I mean, there's all

00:43:16.104 --> 00:43:19.004
just these different systems that you use.

00:43:19.864 --> 00:43:20.064
So

00:43:22.144 --> 00:43:22.444
I

00:43:23.804 --> 00:43:30.504
I'm not as... Well, am, I'm structured in a way, but not as structured necessarily

00:43:30.544 --> 00:43:33.024
and, a- as, as what Ty just described.

00:43:33.164 --> 00:43:35.224
I do all of that, but I don't necessarily

00:43:35.264 --> 00:43:37.093
do it, oh,

00:43:37.204 --> 00:43:37.924
I don't know, I could say

00:43:39.124 --> 00:43:41.194
do it purposefully. It, it comes

00:43:41.264 --> 00:43:43.144
to me. You know, I make... I'm, I'm doing

00:43:43.184 --> 00:43:43.904
it all the time.

00:43:44.664 --> 00:43:47.284
Um, I'm not setting out. But with kids,

00:43:47.844 --> 00:43:49.044
this is something I think he pointed

00:43:49.104 --> 00:43:51.024
out, with kids, with high

00:43:51.084 --> 00:43:52.984
school and collegians, man, it's

00:43:53.044 --> 00:43:56.083
a must. You must do that. It's really important.

00:43:56.964 --> 00:43:57.244
And,

00:43:58.044 --> 00:44:04.284
you know, there, there certainly can be said for high school and college kids that the de- degree of work

00:44:04.304 --> 00:44:09.994
capacity that you can get into them is also a big part of their

00:44:10.024 --> 00:44:11.844
confidence building. Their,

00:44:12.144 --> 00:44:15.944
their... It, it gets their heads saying, "Oh, I can do some

00:44:16.004 --> 00:44:18.954
of this." And I'm, I'm not a big proponent,

00:44:19.084 --> 00:44:19.884
proponent of that.

00:44:20.564 --> 00:44:26.014
Um, I don't like using that necessarily, but there is a part of ca- We, you

00:44:26.064 --> 00:44:27.294
know, we used to use the word callusing.

00:44:27.814 --> 00:44:30.004
You know, we would callous them through, through training.

00:44:30.684 --> 00:44:32.144
And, and part of that callusing

00:44:32.224 --> 00:44:34.044
process is,

00:44:34.164 --> 00:44:36.024
um, enhancing

00:44:36.064 --> 00:44:36.724
your confidence.

00:44:37.524 --> 00:44:39.524
Now, that communication

00:44:39.624 --> 00:44:43.584
factor, if there's a place where things have broken down, it's been communication

00:44:43.704 --> 00:44:45.144
for, for almost every coach

00:44:45.184 --> 00:44:46.024
athlete, you know,

00:44:46.064 --> 00:44:46.764
at some point.

00:44:47.424 --> 00:44:47.724
Um,

00:44:48.584 --> 00:44:54.154
you know, and, and in, and, and in my case, having worked with guys like Gretzky and Henry Ellard and

00:44:54.164 --> 00:44:57.014
Trace Armstrong and the, all these different

00:44:57.064 --> 00:44:59.294
great footb- athletes in other sports,

00:44:59.884 --> 00:45:01.264
and then I get to Korea where nobody

00:45:01.284 --> 00:45:04.244
speaks English, and I get to China where nobody speaks English,

00:45:05.324 --> 00:45:07.364
and I have a translator who doesn't understand sport.

00:45:08.084 --> 00:45:08.424
Now

00:45:08.764 --> 00:45:10.024
I'm basically back at

00:45:10.064 --> 00:45:13.204
middle school going to the basics,

00:45:13.584 --> 00:45:14.153
the fundamental

00:45:14.264 --> 00:45:18.024
elements that are necessary for that particular event or

00:45:18.084 --> 00:45:21.324
sport, and I have to communicate those

00:45:21.724 --> 00:45:22.104
in some

00:45:22.204 --> 00:45:22.704
fashion.

00:45:23.244 --> 00:45:28.064
And I think everybody should have to go coach

00:45:28.124 --> 00:45:33.924
in a foreign language or go back to middle school, which is really all... today is like coaching in a

00:45:33.944 --> 00:45:34.514
foreign language.

00:45:36.044 --> 00:45:36.614
Um, you know, I mean,

00:45:37.544 --> 00:45:41.004
I mean, i-i-in your... And, and, and Ty was spot on. When you look at

00:45:41.264 --> 00:45:43.304
what they're... They're watching the internet.

00:45:44.184 --> 00:45:51.024
That's their language, and now you've gotta overcome the barriers of that language of the internet because it may be

00:45:51.084 --> 00:45:51.384
right,

00:45:51.844 --> 00:45:52.104
it may

00:45:52.124 --> 00:45:58.404
be wrong, you know? And young coaches who are learning, they're all moving towards the internet, and I tell you,

00:45:58.424 --> 00:46:00.304
there's a lot of bad stuff on the internet

00:46:00.844 --> 00:46:01.184
being

00:46:02.544 --> 00:46:03.084
shown as,

00:46:03.404 --> 00:46:04.844
as, "Oh, that's great." I hear... I

00:46:05.004 --> 00:46:08.024
read comments like, "Man, you were incredible. That's the greatest thing.

00:46:08.064 --> 00:46:08.994
I mean, that is

00:46:09.064 --> 00:46:11.004
so..." I'm like, "Dude, he is

00:46:11.144 --> 00:46:13.104
so wrong, it's not funny."

00:46:13.764 --> 00:46:14.944
And he... And you guys are...

00:46:15.034 --> 00:46:17.024
And he, you know, he's saying this is how you

00:46:17.124 --> 00:46:22.984
do this. It scares me sometimes. I feel bad for the professionalism and the education of

00:46:23.004 --> 00:46:27.444
the future, future coaches of the country. And, um,

00:46:27.624 --> 00:46:29.184
I think that education,

00:46:30.484 --> 00:46:30.854
uh, you know,

00:46:31.044 --> 00:46:32.004
in, in many

00:46:32.104 --> 00:46:33.054
coaches... Now,

00:46:33.164 --> 00:46:36.264
in the old days, some of the coaches Ty mentioned,

00:46:36.904 --> 00:46:38.174
some of the coaches I got to know later

00:46:38.204 --> 00:46:40.004
on, these are really smart people.

00:46:40.524 --> 00:46:41.304
They are not dummies.

00:46:42.424 --> 00:46:43.304
Coaching is not,

00:46:44.104 --> 00:46:49.144
uh, a profession for people who aren't relatively smart a- at the top, at the top end,

00:46:49.624 --> 00:46:53.144
you know? You, you gotta be pretty bright to get this done. Um,

00:46:54.284 --> 00:46:55.604
but

00:46:55.924 --> 00:46:56.024
I,

00:46:56.124 --> 00:47:00.064
uh, you know, when I look at the structure

00:47:00.104 --> 00:47:04.054
of what I do and how I go about

00:47:04.064 --> 00:47:06.104
it, uh, my mind is always

00:47:06.164 --> 00:47:09.153
watching. I'm always observing what they're doing,

00:47:09.744 --> 00:47:12.104
you know? And the warmup, to me,

00:47:12.104 --> 00:47:18.044
is, is the very first place I watch for movement problems, for sport

00:47:18.384 --> 00:47:23.064
skill problems, for health issues. You know, you know, you look

00:47:23.144 --> 00:47:25.084
at the, uh, the hitch in their giddy-ups,

00:47:25.524 --> 00:47:25.544
you

00:47:25.584 --> 00:47:25.744
know,

00:47:26.164 --> 00:47:28.934
and you see them and you go, "Okay. Now, how do I

00:47:29.064 --> 00:47:30.124
c- how do I cure

00:47:30.244 --> 00:47:32.034
those? Is that gonna be a sports

00:47:32.124 --> 00:47:34.044
medicine issue? Is it gonna be a training

00:47:34.104 --> 00:47:38.944
issue? Is it gonna be something I'm gonna do, uh, over here in the weight room, or on the track,

00:47:39.064 --> 00:47:39.144
or

00:47:39.164 --> 00:47:42.104
in a drill, or am I gonna find an outside source?"

00:47:42.924 --> 00:47:45.304
Uh, by that, I mean, uh, what I call compliance

00:47:45.364 --> 00:47:47.354
hardware. I'm gonna use something

00:47:47.744 --> 00:47:49.084
else to get them

00:47:49.184 --> 00:47:53.024
to feel, because, uh, the majority of the time, half of

00:47:53.044 --> 00:47:54.954
our job, and, and, and

00:47:55.024 --> 00:47:59.994
Ty used different ball weights, different javelin weights, different... You know, the old javelins,

00:48:00.064 --> 00:48:08.444
new javelins. You, you, you use different tools. And, and I think that for me, it's understanding the limitations

00:48:08.544 --> 00:48:11.424
and the use of the tools in your toolbox.

00:48:11.844 --> 00:48:12.064
What do you

00:48:12.104 --> 00:48:22.224
got? And that's usually years of, of, of, of creating your toolbox. And Ty was lucky 'cause he had

00:48:22.284 --> 00:48:25.214
so many coaches and so many toolboxes which really gave him a great,

00:48:26.224 --> 00:48:26.584
um,

00:48:27.164 --> 00:48:27.204
a

00:48:27.264 --> 00:48:31.124
great background in, in being able to adapt and utilize those tools

00:48:31.144 --> 00:48:40.024
for different athletes. Yeah. Randy, you mentioned communication. I think we all understand and, and value great communication. Everyone, you

00:48:40.064 --> 00:48:42.064
gotta communicate really well. Mm. Um,

00:48:42.804 --> 00:48:47.944
as good of a communicator as anybody can be, inevitably there are times when, when there is breakdown. That

00:48:48.004 --> 00:48:50.004
could be a language thing or it could just be breakdown.

00:48:50.464 --> 00:48:50.644
Um-

00:48:51.024 --> 00:48:51.944
Yeah ... so my question

00:48:52.044 --> 00:48:57.940
to you is- When you get in a situation where there is a communication breakdown and you're trying to remedy

00:48:58.000 --> 00:48:59.990
that, how do you go about that as

00:49:00.020 --> 00:49:02.260
a coach? Oh,

00:49:02.300 --> 00:49:04.220
well, there's two things

00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:04.980
there. And,

00:49:05.100 --> 00:49:08.560
and Ty just pointed out that two of them are non-negotiable.

00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:09.419
And,

00:49:09.540 --> 00:49:09.670
uh,

00:49:10.460 --> 00:49:15.000
you know, your question as a coach, and, and I call them psychic

00:49:15.060 --> 00:49:19.100
vampires, do you want to go on coaching that person,

00:49:20.300 --> 00:49:20.520
one?

00:49:21.020 --> 00:49:21.140
One

00:49:21.200 --> 00:49:24.160
on one, is this worth your time

00:49:24.220 --> 00:49:28.000
and their time? And you have to make that decision. Two,

00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:29.160
are they hurting

00:49:29.200 --> 00:49:37.440
the group? Is that disease growing so that your group now is becoming negative?

00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:41.010
And you gotta excise those people if that's where it's

00:49:41.060 --> 00:49:43.120
at. If it's got to that, they're gone.

00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:44.020
You

00:49:44.060 --> 00:49:47.120
go away. I've kicked some very, very talented people

00:49:47.220 --> 00:49:53.060
out of training groups. I mean, I kicked the number one long jumper in China off the team, which had

00:49:53.260 --> 00:49:57.010
never been done before. Nobody was happy about that. I sent him

00:49:57.040 --> 00:50:00.080
packing. And he was as talented as any long jumper I've

00:50:00.120 --> 00:50:03.340
ever coached, but he was absolutely negative.

00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:05.080
Um, and he was

00:50:05.160 --> 00:50:11.840
not professional. And I say he wanted to, uh, wanted to be the rock and roll star but didn't want

00:50:11.850 --> 00:50:15.080
to learn how to play the guitar. You know, he just didn't want

00:50:15.100 --> 00:50:17.100
to learn. He said, "This is my

00:50:17.220 --> 00:50:19.000
style." I'm like, "No,

00:50:19.700 --> 00:50:21.260
there's technique and there's style,

00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:22.660
and

00:50:23.100 --> 00:50:28.940
y- those two things... There's the biomechanics of technique have to be incorporated into your style. There's common

00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:32.150
truths that must be." And,

00:50:32.680 --> 00:50:34.080
you know, the science is the science.

00:50:34.560 --> 00:50:37.170
If you're doing a long jump and you're not lowering your center of gravity

00:50:37.200 --> 00:50:40.020
in the penultimate, you're not gonna jump as good as you can.

00:50:41.100 --> 00:50:42.959
And even today, 10 years later

00:50:43.020 --> 00:50:45.160
in China, only one athlete's actually

00:50:45.200 --> 00:50:47.200
doing that, and it's been taught

00:50:47.580 --> 00:50:48.200
and it's been talked

00:50:48.260 --> 00:50:49.060
about ad

00:50:49.100 --> 00:50:51.140
nauseam. And,

00:50:51.180 --> 00:50:54.200
you know, it, it... Again, it's a limitation. They just don't

00:50:54.240 --> 00:50:54.760
understand,

00:50:55.160 --> 00:50:57.020
don't get it, that, that this is the

00:50:57.060 --> 00:50:58.880
way that you're going to jump really

00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:00.000
far. And,

00:51:00.060 --> 00:51:03.100
and you know, I happened to create the world champion in the long jumper,

00:51:03.660 --> 00:51:03.980
in Wang

00:51:04.060 --> 00:51:07.020
Jianan. Uh, nobody expected him to win worlds.

00:51:07.520 --> 00:51:08.080
He had the best

00:51:08.120 --> 00:51:08.680
in the world there,

00:51:09.100 --> 00:51:11.120
and he did because he's learning,

00:51:11.680 --> 00:51:12.920
uh, just that one little

00:51:13.020 --> 00:51:13.300
thing.

00:51:14.060 --> 00:51:17.020
Um, he's as fast as, he had all the other

00:51:17.060 --> 00:51:17.440
elements.

00:51:18.160 --> 00:51:18.340
So,

00:51:19.180 --> 00:51:20.280
uh, I

00:51:20.340 --> 00:51:23.460
think that finding a way to communicate with somebody,

00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:26.100
you could either... You know, I don't

00:51:26.160 --> 00:51:29.550
like bullying communication,

00:51:30.420 --> 00:51:33.980
but there are times where as a leader you gotta be a bit of

00:51:34.040 --> 00:51:34.720
a jerk.

00:51:35.620 --> 00:51:41.940
Um, and I think in the beginning you're probably more of a jerk because you're trying to establish some

00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:43.300
pathway, some control,

00:51:43.700 --> 00:51:44.460
some focus.

00:51:45.300 --> 00:51:45.540
Um,

00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:49.000
as a consultant to someone like

00:51:49.040 --> 00:51:52.240
Ty, you can't be a jerk. You can be honest

00:51:53.060 --> 00:51:53.920
because you're trying to

00:51:54.140 --> 00:51:57.330
let them l- you're trying to teach them to express themselves,

00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:02.020
and if you're a jerk, then you're, you're negating their ability to express.

00:52:03.020 --> 00:52:10.000
Um, you know, when you look at my library behind me, I've got lots of books on, on, on

00:52:10.140 --> 00:52:11.180
race and lots

00:52:11.240 --> 00:52:17.220
of books on... I mean, I dig into what I'm hoping will help me understand the psyche of people

00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:19.180
from different economic,

00:52:19.700 --> 00:52:20.120
racial,

00:52:20.720 --> 00:52:23.140
religious backgrounds around the world,

00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:29.060
you know? And that, that, that I can try to put my feet in their shoes for

00:52:29.120 --> 00:52:33.969
a moment, 'cause you can never put your feet in their shoes for any length of time. It doesn't

00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:35.180
work. Um,

00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:43.000
but you try to have some fundamental understanding of possibly where their roadblocks to success are. What are they doing?

00:52:43.060 --> 00:52:43.120
What

00:52:43.140 --> 00:52:44.940
are they setting up? And, and,

00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:49.260
and what could it be? And, and for the coaches that can overcome those

00:52:49.820 --> 00:52:49.950
with

00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:52.150
certain athletes, I mean, we've got,

00:52:53.340 --> 00:52:53.360
you

00:52:53.420 --> 00:53:00.160
know, certain coaches today that I would say are not the most skilled coaches, but they are producing some incredible

00:53:00.240 --> 00:53:04.040
athletes because they can communicate

00:53:04.060 --> 00:53:07.300
with them. That's important. Fantastic.

00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:12.219
Re- re- really well said, and I'm gonna hang on to that term that you used, psychic vampires.

00:53:12.860 --> 00:53:14.080
Uh, that- Used that a long

00:53:14.140 --> 00:53:14.599
time.

00:53:16.240 --> 00:53:18.060
Yeah. That's a, that's a great one. They'll suck the

00:53:18.120 --> 00:53:23.530
energy out of you and the group, and that's the... And, and, and, a- and, and Ty probably can speak

00:53:23.560 --> 00:53:28.550
to this. I mean, this is why, you know, we're an individual sport, but I have to look... I would

00:53:28.560 --> 00:53:32.020
really be interested, and I have not had a chance to talk

00:53:32.060 --> 00:53:35.140
with head football coaches. Head basketball

00:53:35.180 --> 00:53:41.560
coaches I have. But how do they deal with that? 'Cause that is a team situation in which you can

00:53:41.600 --> 00:53:43.200
get negative really quick.

00:53:44.060 --> 00:53:46.420
And, and volleyball is an, is an expression

00:53:46.500 --> 00:53:51.820
of it, not because they get negative, but I've never seen a sport in my life where the tables can

00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:55.960
turn so quickly. You can go from 13-2 and

00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:58.080
lose the match. How in the heck

00:53:58.120 --> 00:54:02.820
did you do that? And why couldn't the coach stop it? Because it's, it's a m-

00:54:03.040 --> 00:54:03.800
that's a mental thing

00:54:04.140 --> 00:54:04.860
more than a physical.

00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:09.900
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Well, thank you for that. And Ty, for

00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:12.980
you, you mentioned these non-negotiables earlier, and I think

00:54:13.040 --> 00:54:16.100
a lot of, you know, if someone checks a lot of these boxes with the

00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:17.360
non-negotiables,

00:54:18.740 --> 00:54:24.190
it's likely that you'll have some really great communication with these individuals. However, it comes up that there is still

00:54:24.200 --> 00:54:27.200
some breakdown there. Um, and I know that you had a chance to work with pole vault.

00:54:27.260 --> 00:54:29.100
You have these individuals, but also there's this team

00:54:29.160 --> 00:54:29.790
element to it,

00:54:30.380 --> 00:54:31.000
um, in,

00:54:31.010 --> 00:54:35.260
in the collegiate system. So for you, how do you deal with communication breakdown?

00:54:36.060 --> 00:54:36.280
Well,

00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:37.040
I

00:54:37.200 --> 00:54:43.080
look, a- and it's very similar to the way that I tried to manage when I was running the Olympic

00:54:43.140 --> 00:54:45.080
Training Center, uh, when I was a head

00:54:45.180 --> 00:54:45.919
coach or,

00:54:46.220 --> 00:54:49.320
or now my role that, that I'm in currently,

00:54:50.260 --> 00:54:52.140
is, is that as a coach

00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:59.240
I take a leadership responsibility. Like, that, that's number one as, as if you're in a coach... Specifically

00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:01.386
if we're talking to-Uh,

00:55:01.706 --> 00:55:02.156
people,

00:55:02.496 --> 00:55:04.996
l-let's keep it to college and universities.

00:55:05.296 --> 00:55:12.696
Um, I think sometimes... I, I work with a lot of professional organizations, but what coaches do at the professional

00:55:12.736 --> 00:55:18.066
level, uh, what we did as, at an Olympic training center scenario when we're talking about professional track or what

00:55:18.096 --> 00:55:24.096
football coaches do, um, it's ki- it, there, there's different places on the spectrum that you fall.

00:55:24.896 --> 00:55:29.996
But from a leadership perspective, and I think I wanna put this in perspective a little bit, not to

00:55:30.056 --> 00:55:33.336
go on and on about it, but there's a dichotomy that has changed

00:55:34.316 --> 00:55:39.056
in coaching. So when I grew up in... Let, let's just start back i- in, in

00:55:39.156 --> 00:55:47.116
the, the mid-'80s and go back to our first, um, involvement in sport. For most Americans, it's, it's football,

00:55:47.216 --> 00:55:48.206
basketball, and baseball.

00:55:49.416 --> 00:55:53.036
It was a non-negotiable consideration that you didn't

00:55:53.096 --> 00:55:55.266
question, you didn't talk back.

00:55:56.036 --> 00:55:57.996
If they told you to stand on your head and try

00:55:58.036 --> 00:56:04.056
to juggle, you know, like, you're gonna do it, right? So I grew up in the methodology where

00:56:05.236 --> 00:56:05.896
we couldn't drink

00:56:06.016 --> 00:56:08.076
water at football practice until

00:56:08.116 --> 00:56:11.136
it was a break, right? Like, so there, there's a big change

00:56:11.176 --> 00:56:16.536
going on. Now, that was before cell phones where the kid can pull up and see anything on social media.

00:56:16.636 --> 00:56:17.136
That was

00:56:17.196 --> 00:56:19.156
the, the environment that

00:56:19.256 --> 00:56:24.036
I grew up in. But I will tell you one thing, that I've learned a lot about leadership

00:56:24.696 --> 00:56:25.135
from my

00:56:25.176 --> 00:56:27.256
early days, uh, going through

00:56:27.376 --> 00:56:30.076
that, uh, g- going on into high

00:56:30.196 --> 00:56:35.976
school. And the one thing that I always took back, uh, from a leader is, is the first thing is

00:56:36.016 --> 00:56:37.136
to look inside

00:56:37.776 --> 00:56:42.156
when you're a leader in a communication, and this kinda leads off to where I got this from.

00:56:42.196 --> 00:56:42.316
And

00:56:43.136 --> 00:56:48.096
probably 50% of the books I read now are all about leadership

00:56:48.176 --> 00:56:54.876
strategies. Um, but the first thing that I do is you have to internally look inside of you and say,

00:56:54.906 --> 00:56:57.136
"Am I the reason for this communication

00:56:57.156 --> 00:57:02.556
breakdown?" Okay? So it's identifying where the breakdown is happening. Usually,

00:57:03.876 --> 00:57:04.976
it doesn't come

00:57:05.216 --> 00:57:08.016
from not saying the

00:57:08.116 --> 00:57:10.976
right things. You, you're communicating what's in

00:57:11.036 --> 00:57:17.956
your mind, but are you communicating in a way that the recipient can understand what it is and why

00:57:18.016 --> 00:57:23.536
you're trying to talk about this? Like, why it's important. So it's my job to make sure, hey, am I

00:57:23.636 --> 00:57:24.976
doing everything that I need to

00:57:25.056 --> 00:57:26.396
do to communicate

00:57:26.456 --> 00:57:32.836
that? Then that becomes internal, where you have to really reflect on yourself. I- I- am I the communicator? And

00:57:33.016 --> 00:57:34.945
I am the... My biggest fault, I,

00:57:35.116 --> 00:57:41.076
I will admit, when I left six years after training professional athletes and went back to the

00:57:41.116 --> 00:57:43.256
college system, I really struggled.

00:57:43.996 --> 00:57:49.225
I really struggled with the kids who were not there for the same reason I'm there. I was there

00:57:49.256 --> 00:57:49.976
to win national

00:57:50.016 --> 00:57:54.236
championships, I was there to put kids on Olympic teams,

00:57:54.556 --> 00:57:56.036
I was there to get

00:57:56.096 --> 00:58:03.696
kids to be successful in college so they could go on and be productive citizens and, and kind of achieve

00:58:03.756 --> 00:58:05.016
the whole purpose of being in

00:58:05.076 --> 00:58:08.136
college. And I really struggled, because

00:58:08.356 --> 00:58:13.576
I was, I was trying to communicate the things with the outcome, but the problem was is that the vast

00:58:13.636 --> 00:58:18.986
majority of kids weren't there for that. They weren't there for the same thing as I was going on,

00:58:19.096 --> 00:58:21.396
so that caused a huge conflict

00:58:22.056 --> 00:58:30.076
in communication because I'm expecting them to do everything possible for them. So it didn't matter what

00:58:30.296 --> 00:58:30.676
I said,

00:58:31.236 --> 00:58:33.036
right? It didn't matter what I

00:58:33.116 --> 00:58:39.136
said because our objectives were not the same. So that helped me evolve to understand their objectives. So

00:58:39.756 --> 00:58:42.176
when it's one of these non-negotiables that you talked

00:58:42.236 --> 00:58:47.076
about, the first thing is, is that you have to identify the problem. I, eh, I'm a templated

00:58:47.136 --> 00:58:51.156
guy, man. I, I, I'm a templated guy that's very flexible, but I have

00:58:51.216 --> 00:58:54.556
to... The way that my mind operates, it's very systematic,

00:58:55.176 --> 00:58:56.356
is that I identify

00:58:56.376 --> 00:58:58.096
the problem, which that's first

00:58:58.196 --> 00:59:00.236
internal r- uh, reflection.

00:59:00.976 --> 00:59:03.236
Then it goes to the person and we try to figure

00:59:03.316 --> 00:59:07.336
out, and then I try to figure out, then I have to go ask, "Well, why are you here? What

00:59:07.396 --> 00:59:11.016
is the purpose?" And what is their why behind them participating on

00:59:11.036 --> 00:59:11.436
the team?

00:59:12.496 --> 00:59:18.996
Okay. So then I have to be very clear about outlining the expectations of what it's

00:59:19.016 --> 00:59:22.576
gonna take to be... 'Cause you can't just take a kid because they don't wanna be an Olympic champion and

00:59:22.616 --> 00:59:22.996
kick them off

00:59:23.016 --> 00:59:27.676
your college track team. Well, now you may be able to the way things are now, but you're kinda stuck

00:59:27.716 --> 00:59:33.576
with them, right? So you identify the problem, then you go in and address the problem, and you put a

00:59:33.636 --> 00:59:41.425
solution in place, whether that's education, whether that's sitting down with them and explaining what, what the problem is and,

00:59:41.496 --> 00:59:46.276
and let them understand that it's not just about them, it's about a team. 'Cause in the, in the collegiate

00:59:46.316 --> 00:59:51.856
system and in high school, regardless of how individual it is, I played college football, I understand that. I was

00:59:51.896 --> 00:59:53.056
a strength coach. I worked

00:59:53.076 --> 00:59:55.276
with baseball, women's basketball,

00:59:55.336 --> 00:59:59.956
and football. So there's no difference on this. It's like Randy said,

01:00:00.076 --> 01:00:03.096
that one person can derail your entire

01:00:03.156 --> 01:00:11.016
program. You put the implement, the process in place, and the hardest part for things to do is for

01:00:11.036 --> 01:00:12.016
people to cut the cord,

01:00:13.316 --> 01:00:15.996
is because if you've gone through your internal

01:00:16.036 --> 01:00:20.016
reflection, you found out what the issue is, you put

01:00:20.036 --> 01:00:21.956
parameters in place to

01:00:22.036 --> 01:00:22.296
solu-

01:00:22.616 --> 01:00:24.096
s- to sol- solve the purpose,

01:00:25.376 --> 01:00:26.196
and then if you,

01:00:26.896 --> 01:00:30.196
if you continue to let that relationship

01:00:31.276 --> 01:00:32.996
evolve into becoming a toxic

01:00:33.076 --> 01:00:35.386
situation, people say, "Oh, it's a cancer,"

01:00:36.436 --> 01:00:40.096
and you don't get rid of them, that's the biggest disservice you can do

01:00:40.176 --> 01:00:45.056
as a coach. Because ultimately, in a leadership role, you're preparing people

01:00:45.096 --> 01:00:51.796
to be successful, and if you allow that to happen, you are setting that person up for failure for the

01:00:51.836 --> 01:00:52.016
rest

01:00:52.056 --> 01:00:56.056
of their life. And it came up recently, and people call it tough

01:00:56.116 --> 01:01:01.956
love. It doesn't mean you don't like them. It doesn't mean that they're not gonna be successful. It just

01:01:02.036 --> 01:01:07.096
means that you create a boundary and a situation that you can go do it, but you're not gonna do

01:01:07.156 --> 01:01:12.676
it under my watch.And it doesn't have to be a- Mm-hmm ... it doesn't have to be a personal thing.

01:01:12.836 --> 01:01:13.916
It just means

01:01:14.016 --> 01:01:20.526
that if you've done your due diligence as a coach in a leadership role, you took ownership of the situation,

01:01:21.016 --> 01:01:24.496
you have to implement a strategy to resolve the conflict,

01:01:25.096 --> 01:01:28.986
and at that point, when you put that time and effort into it, if that person does not

01:01:29.036 --> 01:01:34.976
meet the expectations that's outlined in the culture of your organization or the culture that you wanna

01:01:35.016 --> 01:01:40.356
be as a coach, then it's time to cut the cord and, and just realize that this situation isn't gonna

01:01:40.436 --> 01:01:41.996
work. Doesn't mean that I'm not gonna be a

01:01:42.036 --> 01:01:45.196
successful coach, doesn't mean that you're not gonna be a successful

01:01:45.316 --> 01:01:55.076
athlete, because there's very few situations that both a coach and an athlete can live up to getting their full

01:01:55.096 --> 01:02:00.256
potential when there's conflict like this, and both parties are better off in a different environment.

01:02:01.936 --> 01:02:02.016
Uh,

01:02:02.356 --> 01:02:02.496
yeah,

01:02:02.856 --> 01:02:03.996
yeah, I could- couldn't say

01:02:04.016 --> 01:02:06.116
it any better. You know, I've had to

01:02:07.396 --> 01:02:07.556
be

01:02:07.636 --> 01:02:10.106
in the leadership role in the business

01:02:10.176 --> 01:02:12.076
world as director of marketing,

01:02:12.716 --> 01:02:13.056
failing

01:02:13.096 --> 01:02:16.096
with one company, doing incredibly well with another

01:02:16.156 --> 01:02:17.916
one. And,

01:02:18.016 --> 01:02:22.216
you know, I had to fire, get rid of some people that everybody loved,

01:02:23.056 --> 01:02:24.216
but they weren't...

01:02:24.256 --> 01:02:25.896
I mean, w- you, you use- it, like,

01:02:26.076 --> 01:02:26.826
it's not personal,

01:02:27.196 --> 01:02:29.096
it's that they can't, they can't get

01:02:29.116 --> 01:02:29.856
the job done.

01:02:30.436 --> 01:02:34.016
And so, you know, that happens in the business world, it happens in the

01:02:34.076 --> 01:02:34.696
athletic world.

01:02:35.436 --> 01:02:37.016
And Ty's a-

01:02:37.016 --> 01:02:38.036
a- absolutely

01:02:38.056 --> 01:02:41.926
right, and, and I didn't say this, but it, but it, it has to go without,

01:02:42.116 --> 01:02:47.196
I thought it would go without saying, but I'm glad you did say it. The very first thing is introspection.

01:02:47.306 --> 01:02:51.056
What did I do? You know, what, what, what can I do to make this better?

01:02:51.596 --> 01:02:57.506
Did I screw up? And the same thing happens, you know, when you're just trying to evaluate the athlete's performances.

01:02:57.756 --> 01:02:57.766
Did,

01:02:57.836 --> 01:02:59.156
am I doing a poor

01:02:59.196 --> 01:03:05.946
job coaching? Did I miss something? I mean, we're pretty hard on ourselves as coaches. We're, you know, obviously some

01:03:05.976 --> 01:03:07.066
of the most negative people,

01:03:07.656 --> 01:03:14.086
um, and you have to be real careful because track coaches are really, really critical human beings. And,

01:03:14.096 --> 01:03:15.956
and they carry that over into their critique of

01:03:16.116 --> 01:03:19.996
others, and we have to be careful that we, because we don't know all the

01:03:20.016 --> 01:03:22.106
information. And Ty just pointed

01:03:22.216 --> 01:03:25.976
out that, you know, you could be, y- you can go on and be successful, both of you

01:03:26.036 --> 01:03:29.956
can, but I'll tell you, there's a lot of coaches who would say you're a bad coach because that

01:03:30.016 --> 01:03:30.116
guy

01:03:30.176 --> 01:03:33.036
didn't do well. And, and it has, it has nothing to

01:03:33.076 --> 01:03:35.056
do with you being a good or a bad

01:03:35.136 --> 01:03:36.116
coach, you know?

01:03:36.476 --> 01:03:37.016
It has to do

01:03:37.076 --> 01:03:42.036
with the fact that you two just couldn't communicate. And you can't communicate with everybody.

01:03:42.656 --> 01:03:43.056
You can

01:03:43.156 --> 01:03:43.576
try,

01:03:44.536 --> 01:03:47.176
um, and as you get older,

01:03:47.776 --> 01:03:48.036
I think

01:03:48.116 --> 01:03:48.996
you get more,

01:03:51.196 --> 01:03:53.436
more, more variability

01:03:53.576 --> 01:03:55.056
in your, in the methods

01:03:55.096 --> 01:03:57.156
you use to communicate,

01:03:57.696 --> 01:03:57.756
you

01:03:57.796 --> 01:03:59.036
know? There's different

01:03:59.096 --> 01:03:59.456
ways.

01:04:00.376 --> 01:04:05.776
And, and I've, it, to me, it hurts me that one way we've gone is we can no longer just

01:04:05.836 --> 01:04:07.296
go over and put our hand on somebody's

01:04:07.336 --> 01:04:09.996
shoulder, because in the past,

01:04:10.196 --> 01:04:12.116
that was, that could say,

01:04:12.516 --> 01:04:13.136
that's a thousand

01:04:13.176 --> 01:04:13.976
words, you

01:04:14.036 --> 01:04:15.096
know, in one

01:04:15.156 --> 01:04:18.936
gesture. That, that, that today you have to be care-

01:04:19.056 --> 01:04:20.056
to- really careful

01:04:20.076 --> 01:04:22.175
of, and, and rightfully so.

01:04:22.816 --> 01:04:23.076
So,

01:04:23.896 --> 01:04:24.136
um,

01:04:25.856 --> 01:04:25.976
yeah,

01:04:26.156 --> 01:04:32.336
I, uh, I think that as I have grown as a coach,

01:04:34.836 --> 01:04:36.136
m- my communication...

01:04:36.136 --> 01:04:41.236
I mean, if you sit down with me one on one, my communication's different, different than my communication

01:04:41.276 --> 01:04:41.336
on

01:04:41.356 --> 01:04:47.196
the track. Definitely. Much different. Um, some people are surprised who I am away from the track

01:04:47.836 --> 01:04:47.956
and

01:04:48.456 --> 01:04:48.985
versus who I

01:04:49.056 --> 01:04:49.756
am on the track.

01:04:50.676 --> 01:04:52.216
Um, and

01:04:52.696 --> 01:04:56.116
I think that one of the, one of the things that we all do as young coaches, and,

01:04:56.176 --> 01:04:58.136
and Ty may have been guilty of this as well,

01:04:59.056 --> 01:04:59.296
um,

01:05:00.776 --> 01:05:03.156
a lot of us, uh, in the beginning, we're trying to prove

01:05:03.176 --> 01:05:08.256
how much we know in order to get the confidence, in order to get the athletes to embrace

01:05:08.316 --> 01:05:10.176
us. And

01:05:10.516 --> 01:05:10.976
we, we don't

01:05:11.016 --> 01:05:14.496
shut up, because we wanna prove that we're, we know the information.

01:05:15.176 --> 01:05:19.036
And, and later on, you don't, you don't care anymore, because you're not trying to prove to anybody

01:05:19.076 --> 01:05:25.116
you know the information. You already know the information. You're going to go e- more information than they know,

01:05:25.136 --> 01:05:27.076
for sure, and you're gonna go continue to

01:05:27.096 --> 01:05:28.145
gain and

01:05:28.335 --> 01:05:30.416
find more information.

01:05:30.596 --> 01:05:30.776
So,

01:05:31.516 --> 01:05:36.036
um, I think as a, as an older coach now, I mean, just at, sitting here

01:05:36.056 --> 01:05:36.176
at

01:05:36.476 --> 01:05:37.976
70, you know, you're looking

01:05:38.196 --> 01:05:42.016
at not being as critical as you once were of

01:05:42.056 --> 01:05:47.196
other coaches and, and, and, and yet you still are evaluating other coaches.

01:05:47.856 --> 01:05:55.176
Um, you can't know, as Ty's point- You can't know what went on between that athlete and that coach. And,

01:05:55.276 --> 01:05:57.976
uh, and, and, and we, we do it today.

01:05:58.116 --> 01:06:02.176
I mean, we still do it, but sometimes, as I said earlier,

01:06:02.616 --> 01:06:04.616
the common truths that are necessary

01:06:05.476 --> 01:06:07.116
aren't being met in a program.

01:06:07.636 --> 01:06:08.076
And that's

01:06:08.136 --> 01:06:10.016
when critiquing a coach,

01:06:10.996 --> 01:06:14.116
Ty saw me do it at, at, at Michigan State, and I didn't feel,

01:06:14.396 --> 01:06:15.096
I felt

01:06:15.136 --> 01:06:20.076
bad about it, but you know, there's cer- sometimes there's coaches who are in positions they don't belong in

01:06:20.116 --> 01:06:22.426
yet. They're not ready for that position,

01:06:22.836 --> 01:06:24.056
so they don't have the inherent

01:06:24.156 --> 01:06:26.166
skill level, technical skill level,

01:06:27.076 --> 01:06:27.566
tactical,

01:06:28.216 --> 01:06:28.756
emotional

01:06:29.156 --> 01:06:31.316
level to be able to,

01:06:31.376 --> 01:06:33.096
to be, let's say, head

01:06:33.156 --> 01:06:34.116
coaches. So,

01:06:35.816 --> 01:06:36.336
yeah,

01:06:36.376 --> 01:06:42.216
there's, uh, there's a lot that we don't know about communication and a lot

01:06:42.256 --> 01:06:46.986
we can learn, and some of that communication, and, and, and Ty didn't talk about it,

01:06:47.076 --> 01:06:51.016
but, you know, we read, I'm pretty sure Ty does it too, we read athletes

01:06:51.056 --> 01:06:55.095
when they walk on the track or in the sta- or in the weight room or whatever. You can read

01:06:55.116 --> 01:07:00.876
them. You know? You, you learn to read posture, body movements, and, and you get a sense like, "Okay, what's

01:07:00.896 --> 01:07:02.186
wrong?" Because you know

01:07:02.216 --> 01:07:05.026
something's wrong and, and then, and, and you, you have

01:07:05.036 --> 01:07:05.946
to draw that out.

01:07:06.356 --> 01:07:09.136
Because, you know, I'm dealing currently with a woman

01:07:09.196 --> 01:07:12.036
who w- a very, very good athlete, a finalist in the Olympic

01:07:12.096 --> 01:07:13.116
Games, who I'm still

01:07:13.176 --> 01:07:18.412
working with in China, who's going through a divorce.And I, and when I talk to her and I see her,

01:07:18.492 --> 01:07:20.272
she's not talking but translating,

01:07:21.132 --> 01:07:23.032
I can see in her face what's wrong.

01:07:24.132 --> 01:07:27.012
And even though the divorce has been finalized, there's still all

01:07:27.032 --> 01:07:29.332
this other stuff, and that's affecting

01:07:29.372 --> 01:07:31.992
her training. And once it starts to affect the

01:07:32.072 --> 01:07:34.092
training, and Ty's heard me

01:07:34.132 --> 01:07:36.132
say this before, you-

01:07:36.192 --> 01:07:39.092
y- it- it's whatever that is, it's gotta disappear

01:07:39.132 --> 01:07:42.972
out of the track. But y- they're human beings. You know, you can't do that, of

01:07:43.032 --> 01:07:47.942
course. Yeah. Randy, as you're saying that, I imagine you having to go to another country,

01:07:48.012 --> 01:07:53.641
you mentioned the value of that earlier, um, where they don't speak the same language as you. Uh, you already

01:07:53.672 --> 01:07:57.052
enjoyed looking at body language. I think that had to come out even

01:07:57.112 --> 01:08:02.212
more, right? Uh, y- you learn to really read body language and rely on body language,

01:08:02.732 --> 01:08:03.082
uh, when you're

01:08:03.112 --> 01:08:06.432
over there. Well, you can, you can see frustration.

01:08:07.452 --> 01:08:07.972
I mean, in

01:08:08.052 --> 01:08:10.961
some cases... Now, this is weird. I forget what it's called. Is

01:08:11.012 --> 01:08:12.572
it called synesthesia?

01:08:13.052 --> 01:08:13.112
I

01:08:13.172 --> 01:08:15.952
think it is. But there's a, a, a

01:08:16.051 --> 01:08:18.102
really good coach who's also

01:08:18.812 --> 01:08:21.292
a statistician in, um, PJ Vazzel.

01:08:22.452 --> 01:08:24.091
PJ actually sees colors.

01:08:24.131 --> 01:08:29.572
This is actually a thing. If you look it up, you can find it. He sees auras. I mean, it's

01:08:29.612 --> 01:08:32.051
crazy, you know, for most of us who don't see

01:08:32.112 --> 01:08:33.971
this, but he sees color

01:08:34.032 --> 01:08:41.091
around people. And, you know, he knows when somebody's feeling. He can feel it. He can see that color. It's,

01:08:41.212 --> 01:08:43.091
it's probably as far out there

01:08:43.131 --> 01:08:46.992
as you can get, but it is something that i- is described in

01:08:47.032 --> 01:08:50.392
the literature. It does exist. I thought he was absolutely

01:08:50.432 --> 01:08:53.072
loony at first until I read about it and

01:08:53.091 --> 01:08:55.971
went, "Oh, this is a, this, this happens. People

01:08:56.112 --> 01:08:56.452
do this."

01:08:57.112 --> 01:09:00.112
So yes, when you don't have a language skill,

01:09:00.952 --> 01:09:04.182
you have to find so many other ways to try to figure out

01:09:05.432 --> 01:09:05.991
what...

01:09:05.991 --> 01:09:11.192
I mean, the, the, the, the X's and O's are kind of easy to show because you got video today.

01:09:11.551 --> 01:09:13.152
Boy, if I'd had to do this before video,

01:09:13.952 --> 01:09:17.051
I would have had to learn the language, which I didn't do. That's

01:09:17.171 --> 01:09:17.612
my fault.

01:09:18.332 --> 01:09:21.032
Um, but once you get in the mix, it's kind of hard

01:09:21.051 --> 01:09:21.872
to learn the language.

01:09:22.212 --> 01:09:22.872
You don't have time,

01:09:23.631 --> 01:09:23.852
you know?

01:09:24.652 --> 01:09:28.062
Um, whereas the people from EXOS and some others

01:09:28.091 --> 01:09:30.131
that were over there actually had classes three

01:09:30.152 --> 01:09:32.392
days a week to learn Chinese

01:09:33.032 --> 01:09:34.011
so that... Because they were

01:09:34.051 --> 01:09:36.971
in the weight room, um, not with my team, but with

01:09:37.032 --> 01:09:40.032
other teams, and so their, their, their ability to communicate was

01:09:40.072 --> 01:09:40.412
vital.

01:09:41.131 --> 01:09:41.872
They had to.

01:09:42.471 --> 01:09:42.652
Um,

01:09:43.511 --> 01:09:46.091
yeah. Other- otherwise people would get hurt. But

01:09:46.892 --> 01:09:47.051
yeah,

01:09:47.192 --> 01:09:50.332
it, uh... And I tell you, when you're trying to teach a translator

01:09:51.772 --> 01:09:52.412
a language

01:09:53.232 --> 01:09:53.492
that

01:09:54.032 --> 01:09:55.152
doesn't exist for them,

01:09:55.772 --> 01:09:57.112
I mean, imagine in South Korea

01:09:57.132 --> 01:09:59.352
there's no word for acceleration.

01:10:01.472 --> 01:10:03.072
Now, how do you talk about acceleration when there's no

01:10:03.152 --> 01:10:03.692
word for it?

01:10:04.672 --> 01:10:07.312
You know? All you can do is use faster, faster, faster, faster

01:10:07.832 --> 01:10:09.152
in, in Ch- in Korean,

01:10:09.232 --> 01:10:12.472
but there's no actual word for acceleration.

01:10:13.212 --> 01:10:13.412
Um,

01:10:14.112 --> 01:10:16.192
so how do you, how do you even examine that

01:10:16.292 --> 01:10:18.012
and, and say, "We need to get you better

01:10:18.152 --> 01:10:21.062
at accelerating"? And they're looking at you like, "What are you talking about?"

01:10:21.372 --> 01:10:21.392
You

01:10:21.432 --> 01:10:21.572
know?

01:10:22.792 --> 01:10:25.352
Um, yeah, it's an ongoing process.

01:10:26.132 --> 01:10:26.332
Uh,

01:10:26.952 --> 01:10:30.102
Lauren Seagrave is over there now. I don't think he realizes that he's,

01:10:30.692 --> 01:10:35.002
he got 10 years of couple of us being over there and soften the blow, the landing

01:10:35.052 --> 01:10:35.072
a

01:10:35.092 --> 01:10:40.092
little bit for him. So he's, he's gonna... He's got a lot different than it was when I got there,

01:10:40.512 --> 01:10:40.612
for

01:10:40.692 --> 01:10:43.972
sure. Yeah. You made, you made up the word for acceleration

01:10:44.052 --> 01:10:46.932
there. Uh, no. No, no. Actually, I asked him. I

01:10:47.012 --> 01:10:49.012
said... I, I asked the translator, "How would

01:10:49.072 --> 01:10:52.092
we say this?" And the only thing we could come up with is

01:10:52.152 --> 01:10:54.152
that. Then eventually I found a sport

01:10:54.212 --> 01:10:56.592
scientist who actually was a scientist,

01:10:56.672 --> 01:10:58.072
but became

01:10:58.092 --> 01:10:58.932
a sport scientist,

01:10:59.352 --> 01:11:00.992
and I said, "You have physics

01:11:01.052 --> 01:11:03.072
here. F equals M times A.

01:11:03.452 --> 01:11:03.632
What

01:11:03.952 --> 01:11:06.212
is the A in Chine- in Korean?"

01:11:06.912 --> 01:11:08.132
And he said, "Well, here's what we say."

01:11:08.352 --> 01:11:11.032
So, you know, it took me a while to find that. Oh. But

01:11:11.072 --> 01:11:14.112
that's... Eventually, I had to go to the science

01:11:14.192 --> 01:11:15.992
and then create the, use the word

01:11:16.012 --> 01:11:16.512
they used,

01:11:17.292 --> 01:11:22.152
um, to figure out how... But, but the athletes didn't understand it. They have no idea what I was talking

01:11:22.212 --> 01:11:26.512
about. With that word, they still didn't understand it 'cause it was not part of their vocabulary.

01:11:27.932 --> 01:11:31.012
And, you know, when you're working with a translator, you have to teach them all those

01:11:31.052 --> 01:11:33.292
different parts of sport science.

01:11:34.352 --> 01:11:34.572
Um,

01:11:35.352 --> 01:11:39.992
you know, and, and, and my last translator was, you know, a University of Iowa grad, USC grad in

01:11:40.072 --> 01:11:46.052
communications, brilliant girl, and, um, you know, she could teach

01:11:46.092 --> 01:11:48.052
Ralph Mann's course. She learned

01:11:48.092 --> 01:11:51.972
that much about sprinting and the biomechanics of

01:11:52.012 --> 01:11:52.792
sprinting and jumping,

01:11:53.132 --> 01:11:55.022
so. Yeah.

01:11:55.152 --> 01:11:55.692
Fascinating.

01:11:56.232 --> 01:11:58.132
Um, you both hit on the-

01:11:58.132 --> 01:12:01.112
... some of the physical principles of training. Just to recap,

01:12:01.732 --> 01:12:03.112
uh, Randy, you had mentioned,

01:12:03.632 --> 01:12:06.152
um, you know, your start with women's gymnastics, seeing shapes

01:12:06.192 --> 01:12:06.932
and flows,

01:12:07.232 --> 01:12:08.072
uh, being

01:12:08.132 --> 01:12:14.132
healthy. Um, obviously balance too, depending on what type of athlete you're working with or not having

01:12:14.192 --> 01:12:19.972
balance. Uh, Ty, you mentioned your performance triad, the physical competency, technical,

01:12:20.072 --> 01:12:22.341
tactical, and the mental competency,

01:12:22.912 --> 01:12:25.572
um, piece. And then you both also hit on this

01:12:25.892 --> 01:12:28.092
60,000-foot view, having this global

01:12:28.232 --> 01:12:30.032
view and really seeing

01:12:30.072 --> 01:12:32.462
the forest, and you both mentioned,

01:12:33.792 --> 01:12:35.972
which is what I want to bring up here, you both mentioned

01:12:36.012 --> 01:12:41.092
the why, and you mentioned figuring out the why with the individuals and

01:12:41.112 --> 01:12:45.112
their purpose. So I'm gonna flip that question onto the both of you.

01:12:46.172 --> 01:12:50.152
You both have dedicated a majority of your lives to the field of human performance.

01:12:50.492 --> 01:12:51.012
I mean, you live

01:12:51.072 --> 01:12:53.052
it, you breathe it, are incredibly

01:12:53.152 --> 01:12:55.952
passionate about it. Randy, I'm gonna give you the honors here

01:12:56.112 --> 01:13:02.092
first. Why human performance coaching? Why did you get into all this, and what has kept you in it for

01:13:02.132 --> 01:13:02.212
so

01:13:02.312 --> 01:13:11.252
long? I got into this because I had really poor coaching in high school.

01:13:13.372 --> 01:13:14.052
And it, it,

01:13:14.112 --> 01:13:16.032
it, it, uh... Growing up in

01:13:16.072 --> 01:13:18.092
the '60s and

01:13:18.412 --> 01:13:23.972
the '70s, the, uh-The coaching was, uh, uh, Ty just kind of described it. He had some of those

01:13:24.032 --> 01:13:26.242
same, same coaches and attitudes,

01:13:26.572 --> 01:13:27.072
just, just a little

01:13:27.112 --> 01:13:29.322
different because we were coming up through...

01:13:30.142 --> 01:13:32.992
I was coming up through the '60s and '70s when it was a

01:13:33.212 --> 01:13:39.152
really, a really rough time in the United States in terms of Vietnam, the war,

01:13:39.492 --> 01:13:40.092
protesting

01:13:40.112 --> 01:13:42.972
and all of that. And the coaches that I had were

01:13:43.032 --> 01:13:45.092
mostly, um,

01:13:45.102 --> 01:13:47.482
military. You know, ex-military,

01:13:48.052 --> 01:13:49.092
military backgrounds.

01:13:49.492 --> 01:13:50.392
And so their approach

01:13:50.412 --> 01:13:53.552
to coaching was militaristic,

01:13:53.872 --> 01:13:57.032
and there was no human involvement. So there was no individual, there was

01:13:57.152 --> 01:13:59.072
no... You didn't feel the care.

01:13:59.452 --> 01:14:00.092
You didn't feel

01:14:00.132 --> 01:14:01.972
that they really cared whether you were good

01:14:02.012 --> 01:14:04.152
or not, you know? And

01:14:05.972 --> 01:14:11.052
you kind of come out of that. I, you know, I came out of high school with a lot

01:14:11.112 --> 01:14:12.152
of physical tools

01:14:12.832 --> 01:14:13.152
and

01:14:14.132 --> 01:14:16.012
mentally decrepit

01:14:16.552 --> 01:14:19.952
because the coaches kept saying, "You can't. You're a loser.

01:14:20.052 --> 01:14:22.012
You're the..." You know, it's like, I mean, it

01:14:22.032 --> 01:14:22.932
was horrible. And

01:14:23.032 --> 01:14:25.052
I got to college and

01:14:26.652 --> 01:14:26.772
I,

01:14:26.872 --> 01:14:29.132
uh, my first

01:14:29.272 --> 01:14:32.052
course was a basketball course.

01:14:32.092 --> 01:14:34.072
I mean, I had o- my other courses. My first,

01:14:34.532 --> 01:14:36.012
one of my first courses was a basketball

01:14:36.072 --> 01:14:41.372
course. Who was the ex-head coach at Western Michigan University.

01:14:41.452 --> 01:14:46.692
And, you know, I'm in this course for a week or so. You, you have class three days a week.

01:14:46.722 --> 01:14:48.992
And he came over to me, said, "Did you play basketball in high school?" I

01:14:49.092 --> 01:14:50.152
said, "Yeah,

01:14:50.212 --> 01:14:50.962
I did." And he goes,

01:14:51.612 --> 01:14:55.302
"You, y- you should've gone out for the team. You're a heck of an athlete."

01:14:55.872 --> 01:14:57.072
I mean, it's the first time I

01:14:57.132 --> 01:15:00.352
ever got somebody saying I was a good athlete.

01:15:01.252 --> 01:15:03.092
Just a good athlete, not even that I was anything

01:15:03.152 --> 01:15:07.472
else, you know. And that was the, the... You know, he'd been head coach for, like, 25 years.

01:15:07.532 --> 01:15:09.202
He was a legend there. And,

01:15:10.112 --> 01:15:11.092
you know, that

01:15:11.552 --> 01:15:19.112
attaboy at that particular point told me that there was something more to coaching than what I had experienced

01:15:19.152 --> 01:15:19.432
prior

01:15:19.472 --> 01:15:19.832
to that.

01:15:21.012 --> 01:15:27.092
Um, was it all negative in high school? No, of course not. But it was not a great experience for

01:15:27.132 --> 01:15:29.162
me, and I knew that there had to be something

01:15:29.172 --> 01:15:31.021
better. Um,

01:15:32.052 --> 01:15:33.232
and, and, and I said, "Okay,

01:15:33.392 --> 01:15:34.961
I'm gonna, I'm gonna look at

01:15:35.012 --> 01:15:35.272
this."

01:15:36.192 --> 01:15:40.372
Uh, you know, as, as an aside for a brief moment, in China,

01:15:41.192 --> 01:15:42.242
um, Joseph

01:15:42.332 --> 01:15:44.052
Coin, who, you know, who worked with

01:15:44.092 --> 01:15:44.482
me for,

01:15:45.192 --> 01:15:46.042
um, about

01:15:46.172 --> 01:15:46.532
a year,

01:15:47.392 --> 01:15:54.512
uh, was, was really, did a really good job taking my, my, my, my strength training workouts and applying them

01:15:54.552 --> 01:15:56.072
for me, because I had a big, a big group

01:15:56.092 --> 01:15:56.592
at that time.

01:15:57.312 --> 01:16:03.232
Um, and learned, learned a lot about everything. But he worked with Chinese

01:16:03.252 --> 01:16:05.132
weightlifting. And

01:16:06.612 --> 01:16:07.292
one day,

01:16:07.952 --> 01:16:11.032
you know, the, the athletes, one of the, one of the female athletes did an

01:16:11.072 --> 01:16:13.092
incredible job. He went over, put his

01:16:13.152 --> 01:16:17.172
arm around her and said, "That was amazing, what you just..." I think she broke the world record

01:16:17.212 --> 01:16:19.022
in practice. And

01:16:19.092 --> 01:16:20.181
she started

01:16:20.332 --> 01:16:23.052
crying. I mean, not like little crying, like

01:16:23.112 --> 01:16:27.012
bawling. And he was... He, he didn't know what to do. He's like, "Oh, gee,

01:16:27.172 --> 01:16:29.042
what..." You know, culturally, what did I just

01:16:29.092 --> 01:16:31.052
do? And she

01:16:31.392 --> 01:16:33.222
went on to explain to him that nobody

01:16:33.792 --> 01:16:36.992
in the history of her entire career

01:16:37.002 --> 01:16:39.252
had ever said good job.

01:16:40.392 --> 01:16:41.252
Can you imagine?

01:16:42.132 --> 01:16:43.992
This is an Olympic gold medalist, world record

01:16:44.012 --> 01:16:45.972
holder as well. Nobody ever

01:16:46.032 --> 01:16:48.292
gave her, "What an incredible

01:16:48.372 --> 01:16:48.972
job you did."

01:16:50.332 --> 01:16:55.072
And part of me and go... and what drove me into

01:16:55.112 --> 01:17:00.092
coaching then, uh, and, and, and, and for, like, a, a lot of us when somebody says you can't

01:17:00.132 --> 01:17:00.972
do something, you go

01:17:01.012 --> 01:17:02.992
do it, you know? I was a victim

01:17:03.032 --> 01:17:05.052
of that, for sure, 'cause when I transferred

01:17:05.072 --> 01:17:07.961
to the University of Oregon, I had a professor there and I said, "I wanna be a

01:17:08.032 --> 01:17:13.022
coach." She said, "Don't go into coaching. There's no money in it. You're gonna starve. Go be a teacher." You

01:17:13.072 --> 01:17:15.032
know? And I said, "No, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be a

01:17:15.072 --> 01:17:17.042
coach." Of course, I starved

01:17:18.012 --> 01:17:22.042
and for years. But, um... And, and yet, and today coaches

01:17:22.092 --> 01:17:22.872
don't get that.

01:17:23.312 --> 01:17:26.132
Some do. You know, I mean, I, I volunteered

01:17:26.152 --> 01:17:28.092
for five years. N- no money.

01:17:28.712 --> 01:17:34.272
Had to have another job, whether it was watering ferns or doing something in Eugene to keep me alive.

01:17:35.012 --> 01:17:35.212
Um,

01:17:36.172 --> 01:17:42.032
you know, and then when I get my first coaching job, it was $6,000 a year to coach sprints,

01:17:42.052 --> 01:17:44.152
hurdles, jumps, relays, and multi-events.

01:17:45.512 --> 01:17:45.752
Um,

01:17:46.412 --> 01:17:49.092
you know, and then it, and then you were, then you're, you're,

01:17:49.392 --> 01:17:50.172
you're creating,

01:17:51.012 --> 01:17:51.232
uh,

01:17:51.552 --> 01:17:54.162
a, a training group who of course are all emerging elites

01:17:54.192 --> 01:17:56.152
who have no money. So all this is...

01:17:56.492 --> 01:17:56.892
You know, you're,

01:17:57.012 --> 01:17:59.432
you're giving because

01:18:01.072 --> 01:18:01.152
in

01:18:01.212 --> 01:18:04.452
the end, there's part of you as a coach,

01:18:06.032 --> 01:18:08.032
and, and, and this is me that's driving me, that with,

01:18:08.412 --> 01:18:08.892
with it, with it,

01:18:09.112 --> 01:18:11.372
that is saying, "You're not worthy.

01:18:12.712 --> 01:18:13.052
You have

01:18:13.092 --> 01:18:19.932
to prove." You know, for years I'm still proving to my f- high school football coach I was good enough

01:18:19.972 --> 01:18:24.092
to play. And

01:18:24.892 --> 01:18:25.112
yet,

01:18:25.712 --> 01:18:25.912
you know,

01:18:26.072 --> 01:18:26.152
I,

01:18:27.172 --> 01:18:29.132
I don't have to. But that's the kind of stuff

01:18:29.152 --> 01:18:33.052
that drives kids and that drives people to do things for years. And

01:18:33.092 --> 01:18:35.152
look, I'm in 46 years of coaching,

01:18:36.152 --> 01:18:36.192
you

01:18:36.232 --> 01:18:38.072
know. And once you get a little taste

01:18:38.112 --> 01:18:43.692
of success and you realize, you know, it's, it's a, it's a bit of a drug-like thing, but then that

01:18:43.732 --> 01:18:44.992
goes away 'cause you're only

01:18:45.092 --> 01:18:47.052
as good as your mo- as your last

01:18:47.172 --> 01:18:50.252
athlete. And for a new athlete, you're only

01:18:50.332 --> 01:18:53.992
as good as what you do with them. 'Cause whoever you, whatever you do with

01:18:54.032 --> 01:18:54.592
that person

01:18:55.392 --> 01:18:58.972
doesn't matter. I mean, it may get you in the door, just like sales. You know,

01:18:59.052 --> 01:19:00.152
you can get in the door

01:19:00.192 --> 01:19:02.122
with some stuff, but it don't

01:19:02.132 --> 01:19:05.952
get you, it don't get you nothing with that particular athlete. You gotta prove to

01:19:06.012 --> 01:19:08.192
them. So every time you're proving

01:19:08.212 --> 01:19:08.692
yourself.

01:19:09.292 --> 01:19:10.042
So that,

01:19:10.472 --> 01:19:13.012
that driving you, you know, I'm not worthy, but I am

01:19:13.032 --> 01:19:15.112
worthy, and that, that,

01:19:15.232 --> 01:19:16.992
that, that's a negative

01:19:17.032 --> 01:19:21.332
driving force. And then you, then later on you pick up the positive driving forces,

01:19:21.972 --> 01:19:21.982
you

01:19:22.032 --> 01:19:23.252
know, in my particular

01:19:23.292 --> 01:19:28.980
case. Awesome. That's a, that's a beautiful way to say it, uh, looking at that scale of you're

01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:32.870
not worthy enough, but also, uh, I am, and I'm gonna prove that. That's, that's terrific. Mm-hmm.

01:19:33.060 --> 01:19:33.980
So thank you for your answer. And

01:19:34.020 --> 01:19:39.060
Ty, I know this is an area that you're really passionate about, right? The why, uh, figuring out people's

01:19:39.100 --> 01:19:40.080
whys. Mm. So how about,

01:19:40.400 --> 01:19:45.000
um, for yourself, really, what is your why and why you've been in this human performance coaching and

01:19:45.040 --> 01:19:46.220
this field for so long,

01:19:46.680 --> 01:19:47.080
and what has

01:19:47.100 --> 01:19:50.920
really kept you in it? Yeah. I think it's kind of a, a two-part.

01:19:51.040 --> 01:19:54.480
Coaching as a profession was never

01:19:54.840 --> 01:19:54.960
a

01:19:55.040 --> 01:19:57.020
planned goal of

01:19:57.060 --> 01:19:58.280
mine. Um,

01:19:59.420 --> 01:19:59.840
really

01:20:00.080 --> 01:20:04.040
what was, what was my driving force was

01:20:04.340 --> 01:20:04.980
finance,

01:20:05.420 --> 01:20:05.700
um,

01:20:06.560 --> 01:20:09.120
all through college, but I think what ends up happening

01:20:09.180 --> 01:20:13.980
is when you talk about... There, I think there's a difference between what gets you into coaching and what

01:20:14.040 --> 01:20:15.060
keeps you in coaching.

01:20:16.020 --> 01:20:18.060
So what got me into coaching,

01:20:19.160 --> 01:20:21.620
uh, was a passion,

01:20:22.880 --> 01:20:24.060
um, for the sport.

01:20:25.080 --> 01:20:29.010
Uh, I went to work for Merrill Lynch. I had big plans to live in New York City

01:20:29.160 --> 01:20:32.360
and eventually be a big-time broker and be in the finance

01:20:32.400 --> 01:20:34.340
world. I had interned,

01:20:34.700 --> 01:20:40.060
uh, in the summers, uh, between track practice and, and, and I was set on

01:20:40.120 --> 01:20:42.220
that path. And, um,

01:20:43.200 --> 01:20:46.980
went to work for Merrill Lynch, and I was about ready to fly to Chicago, uh,

01:20:47.140 --> 01:20:47.900
to get my,

01:20:48.260 --> 01:20:51.279
um, licensing. And I was sitting,

01:20:51.380 --> 01:20:53.900
uh, in the office with

01:20:54.080 --> 01:20:58.320
Mike Clark, uh, who was the head football strength and conditioning coach.

01:20:58.900 --> 01:20:59.920
Uh, now he's,

01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:02.160
um, the director of sports performance

01:21:02.220 --> 01:21:05.060
with the Lions. And we're having a conversation,

01:21:05.900 --> 01:21:06.240
and,

01:21:06.320 --> 01:21:07.080
uh, I can

01:21:07.160 --> 01:21:12.860
remember just the conversation, "Hey, I wanna keep throwing. I wanna be in, you know, I wanna try."

01:21:13.150 --> 01:21:15.480
I went to the Olympic trials in '96.

01:21:16.420 --> 01:21:20.080
Uh, didn't really have a chance to make it. But didn't perform the way I wanted to for

01:21:20.140 --> 01:21:22.260
many, for many reasons. Um,

01:21:23.200 --> 01:21:25.040
but he was like, "Hey, if you wanna come

01:21:25.160 --> 01:21:26.840
on as a,

01:21:27.000 --> 01:21:31.060
um, as a strength and conditioning coach, I'll give you all of

01:21:31.100 --> 01:21:33.100
track and field." So

01:21:33.880 --> 01:21:40.020
Rob Groff, who w- was on that staff, and also Alan Kinley, who I learned a tremendous amount

01:21:40.160 --> 01:21:49.920
from about the, the art, kind of the art of coaching and communication. Uh, I just really was drawn into

01:21:49.980 --> 01:21:55.160
their ability to take groups of people, and I was all about learning. I mean, that, I remember back

01:21:55.200 --> 01:22:00.450
in the day, I was so impressed that they used Lotus 1-2-3, which was, I guess, a pre-version of Excel,

01:22:01.040 --> 01:22:04.980
and how you could write workouts out and print them out, and athletes would have them on. I

01:22:05.040 --> 01:22:10.020
mean, this is, you know, at a time when, you know, my coaches were still writing workouts on pen

01:22:10.060 --> 01:22:15.360
and paper, right? And then, uh, I went into strength and conditioning, and then

01:22:15.860 --> 01:22:19.440
my passion for the sport, and I have memories of two coaches

01:22:20.220 --> 01:22:21.240
that really stood

01:22:21.340 --> 01:22:24.440
out. And sport was always

01:22:24.540 --> 01:22:26.960
my... Sports

01:22:27.060 --> 01:22:28.110
was... I was

01:22:28.140 --> 01:22:30.410
very s- awkward socially,

01:22:30.860 --> 01:22:31.110
um,

01:22:31.900 --> 01:22:34.040
and sports was the way that I expressed

01:22:34.080 --> 01:22:37.260
myself. And I had two coaches. I had,

01:22:37.660 --> 01:22:37.920
um,

01:22:38.720 --> 01:22:43.060
Chuck Boudreau, who was my college, I mean, my high school club

01:22:43.160 --> 01:22:47.020
coach, which when I went to this high school, we had no men's track

01:22:47.080 --> 01:22:53.120
team. And he basically was one-on-one with me. He went through USA. Track and Field education,

01:22:53.740 --> 01:22:56.100
uh, level one, level two, level three, and

01:22:57.360 --> 01:23:00.160
it was different because he was coming at

01:23:01.000 --> 01:23:08.460
track from a science perspective and an education perspective, and all- I had before were football coaches or former college,

01:23:08.920 --> 01:23:12.240
former high school football coaches who may have played at a junior college

01:23:12.300 --> 01:23:17.920
and I never got the sense of... Yes, I respected them. They were in leadership roles,

01:23:18.020 --> 01:23:22.080
but it kinda dawned on me that this is

01:23:22.120 --> 01:23:27.280
different. And then I had a coach who was an assistant football coach and baseball coach,

01:23:28.060 --> 01:23:29.100
Coach Skelton, John

01:23:29.220 --> 01:23:31.070
Skelton, and

01:23:31.520 --> 01:23:34.200
I realized of how big an advocate

01:23:34.520 --> 01:23:42.020
a coach could be for a teenage boy that's going through issues of feeling like they don't fit

01:23:42.140 --> 01:23:48.810
in and, and how those conversations were kind of game changing. Like, you could always go to my parents. My

01:23:48.900 --> 01:23:49.160
parents

01:23:49.200 --> 01:23:53.360
were awesome, but it was something different coming from a coach who supported

01:23:53.480 --> 01:23:56.240
you, who would sit down and talk to you. And those

01:23:58.260 --> 01:23:58.880
passion

01:23:59.800 --> 01:24:05.020
for the sports that I played, I start to realize they were really coming from the individuals I was involved

01:24:05.040 --> 01:24:05.160
in,

01:24:05.300 --> 01:24:12.900
with. Like, it wasn't about playing baseball. It wasn't about playing football. It wasn't about running track. It was what

01:24:12.940 --> 01:24:13.960
it gave back to

01:24:14.020 --> 01:24:16.260
me. So during that first...

01:24:17.080 --> 01:24:20.020
I, I was with Texas A&M for two years as strength and conditioning

01:24:20.100 --> 01:24:22.040
coach. I

01:24:22.080 --> 01:24:26.100
was learning, man, Mike Clark is a leader of men,

01:24:26.880 --> 01:24:30.980
and I got to watch him every day get that football group in the morning. And you know,

01:24:31.040 --> 01:24:31.960
when you're a strength coach,

01:24:32.040 --> 01:24:36.060
Gabe, I had opening hour, I had the opening bell, and I had the

01:24:36.100 --> 01:24:42.120
closing bell, and you're putting 14 hours a day in, and you're trying, and I'm still trying to make

01:24:42.160 --> 01:24:44.200
an Oly- I'm still trying to make an Olympic

01:24:44.280 --> 01:24:45.060
team, right?

01:24:45.900 --> 01:24:48.100
And you're doing everything you can. And,

01:24:48.220 --> 01:24:49.880
um, fortunately

01:24:50.020 --> 01:24:52.620
for me, I had a relationship,

01:24:53.600 --> 01:24:53.860
um,

01:24:54.740 --> 01:24:59.120
with some people that got me my first job at Oklahoma State as a track and field coach,

01:24:59.160 --> 01:25:02.120
and I transitioned from strength and conditioning to track and field.

01:25:02.200 --> 01:25:04.900
But it was always

01:25:05.040 --> 01:25:07.960
my why is, is that I've had

01:25:08.020 --> 01:25:10.920
great coaches. I mean, great coaches. Dan

01:25:11.020 --> 01:25:16.000
Pfaff taught me so much as an 18-year-old. I moved on to one

01:25:16.660 --> 01:25:22.720
that taught me a, a vast amount of information about the difference between,

01:25:23.620 --> 01:25:23.880
um,

01:25:24.220 --> 01:25:31.324
knowing what it should look like and the difference in knowing how to get somebody to actually do it.Um,

01:25:31.524 --> 01:25:36.984
and then I moved on to Kari Ihalainen, who was the Finnish national coach, and then I

01:25:37.024 --> 01:25:41.184
went to Randy. Uh, and then after I left Randy,

01:25:41.584 --> 01:25:50.484
Dr. Bundoruk really became my mentor for exploring a whole different side of training methodologies.

01:25:51.464 --> 01:25:53.224
And it was all in this quest

01:25:53.344 --> 01:25:55.124
of how do I learn,

01:25:55.604 --> 01:25:56.084
and how do

01:25:56.224 --> 01:25:57.264
I really...

01:25:58.124 --> 01:26:03.204
I really feel like we have the ability to change people's lives, and it goes well beyond

01:26:03.244 --> 01:26:09.044
the track, or it goes well beyond getting s- I mean, I work with athletes in multiple disciplines just like

01:26:09.104 --> 01:26:10.804
Randy does, and it, it really

01:26:11.004 --> 01:26:14.344
is you have the ability to lead.

01:26:15.704 --> 01:26:19.124
You just have the ability to lead people and help them achieve their goals.

01:26:19.184 --> 01:26:21.144
And, and I've always looked

01:26:21.224 --> 01:26:23.324
at, at it from the perspective

01:26:23.404 --> 01:26:25.164
is I'm gonna

01:26:25.244 --> 01:26:29.874
outwork you, meaning that I'm gonna read. Like, I was talking to some of my team the other day,

01:26:30.024 --> 01:26:35.664
I mean, in this role, I'm not reading exercise physiology books. I'm reading books on sales, I'm reading books on

01:26:35.744 --> 01:26:39.244
marketing, and it's, like, 20 to 30 a year.

01:26:40.024 --> 01:26:44.324
Because I always know that education and knowledge

01:26:45.604 --> 01:26:47.444
puts you at a competitive advantage.

01:26:48.424 --> 01:26:51.984
Now, there's a skill set to take that and know how to put it into practice. Like, uh, w-

01:26:52.184 --> 01:26:55.204
you just can't say, "Well, go read a bunch of books and you'll be good." I mean, there's

01:26:55.264 --> 01:27:00.124
a learning curve in that of too much information, too many tools. How do you dissect

01:27:00.184 --> 01:27:02.104
that? But my why

01:27:02.224 --> 01:27:04.124
was coaches and sport

01:27:05.004 --> 01:27:06.004
made me who I am

01:27:06.084 --> 01:27:10.364
today, good, bad, or indifferent. It all influenced

01:27:10.424 --> 01:27:12.024
who I am, and for

01:27:12.084 --> 01:27:16.924
different reasons, you know? Juan changed my life more

01:27:17.004 --> 01:27:20.044
from a, a perspective

01:27:20.204 --> 01:27:27.144
of just what a mentor should be. I mean, I spent my most formidable years

01:27:27.184 --> 01:27:33.924
with him, like in my college years, of what, what a confidant is in your... to this. That appeals to

01:27:33.984 --> 01:27:41.704
me. We all want that relationship to be able to touch people a- and to have difference in their lives.

01:27:41.744 --> 01:27:50.293
Dan taught me that, in the beginning, that a coach can have a huge advantage if you're really smart and

01:27:50.364 --> 01:27:52.444
you have a, a plan outlined,

01:27:52.964 --> 01:27:57.384
right? Meaning that you have a game plan as a coach. You have, just like you do a strategic

01:27:57.464 --> 01:28:01.264
operation plan for a business, you have a strategic plan for how you're gonna coach.

01:28:03.104 --> 01:28:04.424
When I went to Kari,

01:28:05.784 --> 01:28:05.964
he

01:28:06.024 --> 01:28:09.024
taught me that sometimes you can do all

01:28:09.044 --> 01:28:11.024
the right things, you just

01:28:11.064 --> 01:28:16.184
don't have it. And I'll be completely honest with you. A- and it was understanding that some systems

01:28:16.244 --> 01:28:19.384
are built where everybody's not gonna survive,

01:28:20.144 --> 01:28:23.184
because the Finnish way was they're gonna hammer

01:28:23.244 --> 01:28:25.154
you, they're gonna stick it through

01:28:25.184 --> 01:28:29.164
you, and some are gonna make it, and some are not. When I went

01:28:29.224 --> 01:28:31.853
to Randy, it was thinking outside the box,

01:28:32.064 --> 01:28:38.994
right? It was really just thinking, thinking outside the box and looking at it from a different perspective. And

01:28:39.024 --> 01:28:43.004
then when I got to Dr. Bundoruk, it... The reason why he was so

01:28:43.044 --> 01:28:47.524
vital in mine is because I had so much background

01:28:48.144 --> 01:28:49.944
of different coaches doing different

01:28:50.004 --> 01:28:52.664
things, and then Dr. Bundoruk

01:28:53.024 --> 01:28:53.224
took

01:28:53.264 --> 01:28:54.904
it back, physical

01:28:55.024 --> 01:28:59.124
competency, mental,

01:29:00.384 --> 01:29:01.304
technical, tactical.

01:29:02.124 --> 01:29:05.064
So it was like I, I grew out like this, and then Dr.

01:29:05.384 --> 01:29:09.924
B took it back there so it was the way I could manage it. And, uh, all

01:29:10.044 --> 01:29:16.714
of them were j- n- none of them were more important than the other. Uh, and ultimately, it goes back

01:29:16.784 --> 01:29:22.954
to John Skelton, and, uh, goes back to Coach Boudreau, who wasn't even... He was a

01:29:23.024 --> 01:29:30.244
volunteer coach. It goes back to show... It goes back, and the why is, is that sport and coaches

01:29:30.284 --> 01:29:31.194
can change your life,

01:29:32.024 --> 01:29:33.094
and that was something I was

01:29:33.124 --> 01:29:35.984
passionate about. Those are...

01:29:36.164 --> 01:29:41.584
Yeah, I mean, the effect you can have on youth, and, and this is one of the reasons why I

01:29:41.624 --> 01:29:47.684
tell most elite coaches that it's important, I think, they drop back and coach middle school once every eight or

01:29:47.724 --> 01:29:53.144
10 years, just to remember what it's like to actually affect people's lives

01:29:53.184 --> 01:29:54.124
like that. 'Cause

01:29:54.184 --> 01:29:57.164
you're, at middle school level, you are really, really affecting those

01:29:57.184 --> 01:29:59.153
kids, you know? And, and, and

01:29:59.664 --> 01:30:03.084
I did it after Oregon. I had a little middle school in, in s- in Eugene,

01:30:03.144 --> 01:30:03.564
Monroe

01:30:04.024 --> 01:30:06.064
Middle School. I went and coached there.

01:30:07.964 --> 01:30:10.124
They won the first district championships in the school's

01:30:10.204 --> 01:30:11.024
history, da,

01:30:11.104 --> 01:30:12.984
da, da, da. I still know some of

01:30:13.024 --> 01:30:15.814
those kids today, and that was 1982.

01:30:16.644 --> 01:30:16.984
Um,

01:30:17.864 --> 01:30:18.213
and,

01:30:18.724 --> 01:30:23.284
you know, they, uh... I'll never forget some of the letters parents wrote

01:30:23.344 --> 01:30:30.024
me, and how that changed their kids' lives, you know? And that is a big thing for,

01:30:30.064 --> 01:30:32.074
for us as coaches. I mean, I, I think,

01:30:33.084 --> 01:30:34.004
you know, when we talk about

01:30:34.064 --> 01:30:36.964
driving, it's unfortunate in, in m- in some

01:30:37.044 --> 01:30:41.324
cases that what drove me was, was more negative than positive,

01:30:42.224 --> 01:30:42.984
and what continued

01:30:43.004 --> 01:30:45.004
to drive me was more negative

01:30:45.244 --> 01:30:48.944
than positive. You know, 300 plus

01:30:49.004 --> 01:30:54.024
applications without an interview at the le- NCAA level,

01:30:54.984 --> 01:30:55.224
that

01:30:55.244 --> 01:30:57.024
drove me. And, and,

01:30:57.064 --> 01:30:58.984
and it actually drives me today. Even

01:30:59.024 --> 01:31:00.064
today, it's

01:31:00.104 --> 01:31:02.164
like that is the epitome of you're not

01:31:02.204 --> 01:31:05.004
worthy. You know? Like, you're, you're not even worth a, worth

01:31:05.044 --> 01:31:08.224
an interview. And you're like, "Well, wait a minute. I'm worth more than that.

01:31:08.744 --> 01:31:08.924
You know,

01:31:09.084 --> 01:31:10.304
I'm pretty good coach."

01:31:10.924 --> 01:31:16.064
Um, and you have to... You gotta have a pretty strong backbone to take that kind of, um,

01:31:18.584 --> 01:31:21.024
rejection over and over and over again,

01:31:21.524 --> 01:31:25.984
you know? And, uh, and, and, and, and it does wear on you at times. I walked away from

01:31:26.004 --> 01:31:26.064
the

01:31:26.104 --> 01:31:30.224
sport a few times and, and, and went into marketing and a couple other things,

01:31:30.784 --> 01:31:31.184
sales.

01:31:31.724 --> 01:31:34.068
But it, uh-But it brings

01:31:34.088 --> 01:31:38.468
you back, too, and, you know, I, I think I was at a disadvantage

01:31:39.388 --> 01:31:40.068
because I never

01:31:40.108 --> 01:31:42.208
really competed in track

01:31:42.228 --> 01:31:42.628
and field.

01:31:43.928 --> 01:31:45.158
N- and I, I never

01:31:45.488 --> 01:31:46.348
had the opportunity.

01:31:46.888 --> 01:31:47.168
Um,

01:31:47.808 --> 01:31:49.088
I did... Was on the track team

01:31:49.108 --> 01:31:53.108
in high school, um, but I did get kicked off two years in a row.

01:31:53.188 --> 01:31:53.408
Um,

01:31:54.148 --> 01:31:54.348
you know,

01:31:55.268 --> 01:31:57.108
f- a- and was this the coach's fault?

01:31:57.448 --> 01:31:58.228
Not necessarily.

01:31:58.688 --> 01:32:01.308
I mean, back in those days, I got kicked off for driving

01:32:01.988 --> 01:32:03.088
my c- my car

01:32:03.888 --> 01:32:05.668
to the district championships.

01:32:06.928 --> 01:32:07.048
You were

01:32:07.088 --> 01:32:10.078
supposed to take the bus. But I was driving from my

01:32:10.108 --> 01:32:10.928
brother's funeral,

01:32:13.328 --> 01:32:16.228
and the coach, he di- would- no, he just wouldn't listen

01:32:16.268 --> 01:32:18.048
or whatever. Later on, he apologized

01:32:18.068 --> 01:32:23.228
to me, but I was already off the team and couldn't qualify for state, which I probably

01:32:23.248 --> 01:32:24.168
would have in the high jump.

01:32:24.988 --> 01:32:26.068
And, you know, those are the kind

01:32:26.108 --> 01:32:29.028
of things that you look back on, and you, you, you...

01:32:29.228 --> 01:32:32.248
They, they... Unfortunately, they are negative things that drive

01:32:32.258 --> 01:32:33.108
you. And,

01:32:33.528 --> 01:32:34.868
and, and in terms of the mentors,

01:32:35.068 --> 01:32:38.148
I wish I'd had some mentor, more mentors,

01:32:38.548 --> 01:32:40.088
um, much like Ty did.

01:32:40.408 --> 01:32:42.928
He had some great, great people there.

01:32:43.048 --> 01:32:43.268
Um,

01:32:45.068 --> 01:32:47.338
I was... Did not have that opportunity.

01:32:47.668 --> 01:32:48.128
I made

01:32:48.168 --> 01:32:53.298
the opportunities. I observed, although I wasn't actively involved with those coaches,

01:32:53.708 --> 01:32:54.988
but I sat in the stands

01:32:55.008 --> 01:32:57.048
at Oregon, you know, for hours

01:32:57.108 --> 01:33:00.128
on end watching, you know, the Polish coaches

01:33:00.228 --> 01:33:03.148
work with the pole vaults and the hurdlers. And,

01:33:03.648 --> 01:33:03.678
you

01:33:03.708 --> 01:33:03.808
know,

01:33:04.228 --> 01:33:06.008
b- first of all, they didn't speak English very

01:33:06.068 --> 01:33:09.128
well back then. You know, they were just coming over straight from Poland.

01:33:09.728 --> 01:33:09.888
Uh,

01:33:10.368 --> 01:33:12.308
and I, and I think that we all have these different,

01:33:12.968 --> 01:33:15.018
different life paths and different things

01:33:15.048 --> 01:33:20.048
that motivate us, and the why, the biggest why for me is I never want to see

01:33:20.148 --> 01:33:21.088
a kid go through what I went

01:33:21.108 --> 01:33:25.168
through. That drives me. I do not want to see them

01:33:25.248 --> 01:33:25.608
suffer

01:33:26.468 --> 01:33:29.968
the, that, that feeling that they're not worthy of

01:33:30.028 --> 01:33:37.228
being where they are. That so they are good enough, regardless of... You know, and I think Frank Dick

01:33:37.748 --> 01:33:38.058
always

01:33:38.088 --> 01:33:40.328
puts it better, puts it, puts it best,

01:33:40.808 --> 01:33:42.138
you know, when he talks about,

01:33:42.948 --> 01:33:42.978
you

01:33:43.008 --> 01:33:48.208
know, th- th- the young athlete who just ran 19 seconds in 100

01:33:48.248 --> 01:33:51.148
meters, and then next week runs 18.

01:33:52.348 --> 01:33:52.588
And,

01:33:53.208 --> 01:33:53.828
you know, it's that,

01:33:54.008 --> 01:33:57.048
that you improved. You are better than you were.

01:33:57.988 --> 01:33:59.868
And that, that, passing that

01:34:00.008 --> 01:34:01.958
on, you know, at the lower

01:34:02.048 --> 01:34:08.208
levels and getting people to do that. You'd be surprised how many Olympians still need attaboys.

01:34:09.308 --> 01:34:10.088
They still need

01:34:11.028 --> 01:34:12.688
that positive reinforcement,

01:34:13.268 --> 01:34:18.088
and you've got to make sure that you don't just lead all the time with the negative,

01:34:18.828 --> 01:34:20.148
and that you do find a way

01:34:20.808 --> 01:34:26.088
to make them feel good about what they just did, even if it was horribly wrong. You've

01:34:26.128 --> 01:34:27.948
got to find that, that thing. And like

01:34:28.008 --> 01:34:30.208
Ty, I have more

01:34:30.248 --> 01:34:36.948
books on leadership and marketing and sales sitting up here in my library, which is behind me here.

01:34:37.008 --> 01:34:37.528
I've got about,

01:34:38.288 --> 01:34:42.088
I don't know, 3,000 books sitting back there. I mean, it's just, it's

01:34:42.288 --> 01:34:42.668
nuts.

01:34:43.368 --> 01:34:46.057
Um, and, and,

01:34:46.548 --> 01:34:46.688
and

01:34:46.748 --> 01:34:52.288
yet each one of those situations is in, is an individual,

01:34:53.408 --> 01:34:53.948
and when

01:34:54.028 --> 01:34:55.988
I first read It's All About the

01:34:56.048 --> 01:34:59.128
Why, you know, and, and started to understand even

01:34:59.208 --> 01:35:04.048
more about how to see what people's whys were, what their whys

01:35:04.108 --> 01:35:05.948
were and what drives

01:35:06.028 --> 01:35:11.048
them. And sometimes they quit the sport because their why's not

01:35:11.108 --> 01:35:14.548
strong. They don't want to really be there.

01:35:14.628 --> 01:35:16.048
They, they're there for

01:35:16.128 --> 01:35:17.188
a, a host of wrong

01:35:17.228 --> 01:35:19.038
reasons, and the same

01:35:19.068 --> 01:35:24.108
thing in the business world. Somebody's there because they have to be financially, but it's not helping you

01:35:24.408 --> 01:35:25.228
because the passion's

01:35:25.238 --> 01:35:28.288
not there. And boy, that passion,

01:35:29.608 --> 01:35:33.308
I tell you, that passion and mindset can make up for a whole lot of athletic ability.

01:35:34.508 --> 01:35:35.288
A whole lot.

01:35:36.408 --> 01:35:36.648
Ty,

01:35:37.528 --> 01:35:40.248
n- not to pick on you, but you're an absolute example

01:35:40.348 --> 01:35:40.728
of that.

01:35:41.028 --> 01:35:45.258
You know, you, you think of, you didn't have the... Carr tells you you didn't have the physical qualities,

01:35:45.588 --> 01:35:48.258
but you were still an NCAA All-American.

01:35:49.048 --> 01:35:50.608
I mean, that's amazing.

01:35:50.728 --> 01:35:53.318
You know? In that short time period of a collegiate,

01:35:54.008 --> 01:35:58.988
of a collegiate career, to be able to pull that off and not having thrown the javelin,

01:35:59.028 --> 01:35:59.718
that much before?

01:36:00.448 --> 01:36:00.588
Yeah,

01:36:01.028 --> 01:36:06.868
it's pretty amazing. It's awesome. Yeah, I would- Thank you both so much. Yeah. Yeah, I, I just wanna kind

01:36:06.888 --> 01:36:10.248
of piggyback on this, is that, like, we have such

01:36:10.368 --> 01:36:15.008
a h- we have such a jaded view on what

01:36:15.048 --> 01:36:17.988
success is, uh, in

01:36:18.028 --> 01:36:23.008
a society, and to me, success is waking up and being better today than you

01:36:23.028 --> 01:36:24.208
were yesterday, right?

01:36:24.768 --> 01:36:29.048
Absolutely. And I will say this, like, I've been very blessed. I mean, look, I,

01:36:29.368 --> 01:36:31.588
I got put in some really good situations,

01:36:32.768 --> 01:36:36.128
and I've had the opportunity to coach multiple Olympic champions.

01:36:36.588 --> 01:36:37.028
And

01:36:37.768 --> 01:36:42.088
I will tell you this, going and having a person medal at a world championships,

01:36:43.288 --> 01:36:43.648
that...

01:36:44.248 --> 01:36:45.708
And from my perspective,

01:36:46.188 --> 01:36:48.028
those have not been the highlights

01:36:48.108 --> 01:36:50.068
of my career. Not even

01:36:50.108 --> 01:36:54.948
close. Like, I think I had five or six NCAA champions at the University of

01:36:55.008 --> 01:37:01.988
Texas. There's been a couple kids that were walk-ons that were down to their

01:37:02.088 --> 01:37:06.988
second at- second miss in the pole vault or whatever it is, and they had to come back

01:37:07.028 --> 01:37:09.008
on their third attempt and clear that bar to make the

01:37:09.048 --> 01:37:12.148
conference meet. Those are the moments

01:37:12.158 --> 01:37:14.008
that I am, I

01:37:14.068 --> 01:37:19.968
most remember. Like, it, it's really... Like, we were doing something the other day where somebody was like, "Oh,

01:37:20.108 --> 01:37:20.118
I

01:37:20.168 --> 01:37:23.088
need a CV," and, and, and "How, how, how many people

01:37:23.108 --> 01:37:28.848
have you had?" And, like, I don't know. I don't keep track of that. Like, that's not something that was

01:37:28.888 --> 01:37:35.988
important to me because it, it's just not. It's about, if somebody went and medaled at Olympic games, you're happy

01:37:36.008 --> 01:37:39.948
for them. It's just like my PR when I threw 80 meters.Like, yeah, I threw

01:37:40.048 --> 01:37:46.548
80 meters, now what? Like, it, it was those other moments of, you know, how I got there or how...

01:37:46.698 --> 01:37:48.088
Those are the moments that

01:37:48.148 --> 01:37:48.788
you remember.

01:37:49.548 --> 01:37:51.048
Um, and it's a

01:37:51.088 --> 01:37:58.588
shame that, you know, like, there was- there's all these derogatory terms that we- that people use in a sport

01:37:58.688 --> 01:38:00.468
of, you know, we don't want walk-ons.

01:38:00.548 --> 01:38:03.008
We don't... You know, yeah, we are here to win,

01:38:04.108 --> 01:38:06.188
but ultimately that winning

01:38:07.308 --> 01:38:07.578
is-

01:38:08.368 --> 01:38:11.008
has nothing to do with your life and the rest of your life.

01:38:11.968 --> 01:38:16.028
Like, if you are super talented and you go out and win four high school state championships, yeah, that's

01:38:16.088 --> 01:38:17.348
good, you are super talented,

01:38:18.108 --> 01:38:23.008
but how is that gonna help you in life? Because in life, it's gonna be about being better. So a

01:38:23.028 --> 01:38:29.888
kid who gets cut from the team for three years, keeps working hard, comes

01:38:30.008 --> 01:38:32.228
out, and makes it on a collegiate

01:38:32.328 --> 01:38:34.188
team, and they show

01:38:34.348 --> 01:38:37.248
the, the discipline and the effort

01:38:37.948 --> 01:38:40.088
to keep trying with all the odds

01:38:40.128 --> 01:38:42.248
in their fa- you know, all the odds stacked

01:38:42.288 --> 01:38:45.928
against them, and they can go out and perform and achieve

01:38:46.028 --> 01:38:51.958
their goals, like, that's what drives me. It's not the, it's not having... 'Cause I can

01:38:52.028 --> 01:38:54.978
tell you, I've, w- been on a national championship

01:38:55.088 --> 01:39:00.348
team, been on multiple conference championship teams, had people compete at the Olympics and world championships,

01:39:01.408 --> 01:39:02.028
they're not even in

01:39:02.048 --> 01:39:04.008
the top 10. They're

01:39:04.048 --> 01:39:08.148
not even close. N- if I look back at the memories of what I felt like,

01:39:08.568 --> 01:39:10.188
'cause in those situations, it's almost

01:39:10.228 --> 01:39:15.088
like relief. Mm. It's like, "Oh my God, we didn't screw that up." It's almost like

01:39:15.168 --> 01:39:20.068
a relief, right? But when you've got that kid that just has everything stacked

01:39:20.108 --> 01:39:26.968
against them, and they've committed, and their dedication, 'cause the dedication of the kid in the middle

01:39:27.008 --> 01:39:29.038
or at the bottom and the dedication of the kid at

01:39:29.068 --> 01:39:31.208
the top, it's often

01:39:31.218 --> 01:39:36.098
the same. And oftentimes the person at the bottom are dedicated, they just don't have

01:39:36.128 --> 01:39:41.748
the, they don't have the things that line up in their, uh, performance. triad to compete with the other ones.

01:39:41.788 --> 01:39:48.067
But, you know, that, that why, and that's why I agree with you, Randy. Um, I could go back to

01:39:48.108 --> 01:39:51.108
coaching now. I'd be a substantially better coach than I ever

01:39:51.168 --> 01:39:51.788
was before,

01:39:52.528 --> 01:39:55.248
um, because you need time away.

01:39:56.308 --> 01:39:57.968
Like, you're, you're in that grinder.

01:39:58.068 --> 01:40:00.128
You're in... To me, it's like being in a washing

01:40:00.188 --> 01:40:02.008
machine, and you're never breathing.

01:40:02.748 --> 01:40:06.968
You're never breathing. You're just in that cycle. And when you step away from

01:40:07.008 --> 01:40:12.288
it, and you come back into it, like, I had really good clarity a year after I decided

01:40:12.328 --> 01:40:13.988
to get out of coaching full time for a

01:40:14.028 --> 01:40:19.108
year. And then you start reevaluating and things, and, and that's when your why comes

01:40:19.208 --> 01:40:22.148
up, right? So people say, "Why don't you miss coaching?"

01:40:22.888 --> 01:40:24.958
It's because it wasn't actually track and

01:40:25.108 --> 01:40:27.188
field that was my why.

01:40:27.988 --> 01:40:29.108
It was about making people

01:40:29.228 --> 01:40:34.288
better. That wasn't, had nothing to do- Mm-hmm ... with coaching. That's why I stepped into a leadership position,

01:40:34.828 --> 01:40:38.048
and I'm doing the same things. So my why was not about coaching

01:40:38.068 --> 01:40:45.228
track. My why was about getting people together and making themselves better and knowing what that does to a person.

01:40:46.128 --> 01:40:49.988
So that's really imp- that, I think that that, that really goes back to the why, is

01:40:50.028 --> 01:40:51.248
it had nothing to do with track.

01:40:52.728 --> 01:40:52.898
And I- Well,

01:40:53.048 --> 01:40:53.958
and I, a- and

01:40:54.068 --> 01:40:58.188
I think, Ty, and not to go into the role you're in right now,

01:40:58.348 --> 01:41:03.178
but because you didn't come from within that,

01:41:04.048 --> 01:41:04.148
that

01:41:04.288 --> 01:41:04.637
family,

01:41:05.108 --> 01:41:08.068
if you wish, and because you didn't come from within

01:41:08.168 --> 01:41:10.228
the industry-

01:41:10.778 --> 01:41:12.328
Yeah ... it gave you a different perspective,

01:41:13.308 --> 01:41:17.178
you know? Which- Yeah ... and you brought in your own analysis, synthesis, and make it work.

01:41:17.308 --> 01:41:17.848
And that's why,

01:41:18.568 --> 01:41:20.188
you know, I,

01:41:21.308 --> 01:41:25.168
I, I, I, w- I'll never forget having that conversation with Dennis about you, and knowing

01:41:25.228 --> 01:41:28.088
that, "This is the guy that's gonna come in and do something

01:41:28.128 --> 01:41:29.948
different, Dennis." And, and,

01:41:30.088 --> 01:41:32.228
and, and having...

01:41:33.028 --> 01:41:36.028
You know, for me, I was too close to it. I was too close to Dennis

01:41:36.668 --> 01:41:38.228
at my, when I was there.

01:41:38.308 --> 01:41:44.978
And it, it, it... And I wanted to, um, make sure that I didn't

01:41:45.008 --> 01:41:45.678
offend him

01:41:47.408 --> 01:41:50.048
w- with, because he's, you know, he's like a brother

01:41:50.088 --> 01:41:51.148
to me. Um,

01:41:52.268 --> 01:41:52.458
and

01:41:53.088 --> 01:41:54.048
you ca- you were able

01:41:54.088 --> 01:41:59.008
to come in with all those qualities from other areas, just like w- I

01:41:59.047 --> 01:42:03.168
talked in the beginning, utilizing qualities from other professions

01:42:03.708 --> 01:42:09.028
and other experiences, and bringing them in and making them part of your leadership manifest.

01:42:09.028 --> 01:42:11.928
Yeah. And, and, and doing it. Yeah. No,

01:42:12.028 --> 01:42:17.178
that's great. It's all the same. It's all the, it's all, it all comes back to what drives

01:42:17.228 --> 01:42:17.988
you to get up every

01:42:18.008 --> 01:42:23.138
morning. Yeah. And now I, when I was with MBT, came in from outside

01:42:23.988 --> 01:42:30.068
the shoe industry, and came in and blew it up. I mean, it was incredible. What we

01:42:30.108 --> 01:42:37.228
did there, may never be done again, with the amount of, you know, the doubling, and we tripled

01:42:37.288 --> 01:42:39.238
sales in eight months,

01:42:40.048 --> 01:42:42.228
and trained 1,100

01:42:42.308 --> 01:42:46.428
stores. You know, that was unheard of in the industry.

01:42:47.088 --> 01:42:48.288
And, and we, and,

01:42:48.288 --> 01:42:52.048
and, and the way I did it was different than they had ever done it before.

01:42:52.728 --> 01:42:56.208
But I was outside, so I brought my own experiences from the outside,

01:42:56.888 --> 01:42:57.128
and,

01:42:57.268 --> 01:43:01.308
and that, I couldn't carry that over to my next experience,

01:43:01.828 --> 01:43:04.348
because that wasn't gonna be allowed. And if I had,

01:43:05.028 --> 01:43:07.208
we would've been more successful. So it's,

01:43:07.628 --> 01:43:10.088
you know. Anyway. 'Cause coaches have a, I, I think

01:43:10.108 --> 01:43:14.188
people don't, the perception of coaches, Gabe, I think is that, well, coaches

01:43:14.288 --> 01:43:16.228
only know how to coach.

01:43:17.268 --> 01:43:18.948
You know what I mean? Like, but the skill

01:43:19.048 --> 01:43:21.188
set, uh, is very applicable-

01:43:21.188 --> 01:43:27.168
... to a lot of different things, and I think coaches don't get enough credit for what it actually

01:43:27.248 --> 01:43:33.188
entails. And I think that's a big issue with young coaches coming in, of not really knowing what it takes

01:43:33.248 --> 01:43:35.068
to have a 20-year career

01:43:35.108 --> 01:43:37.048
of success, is because the

01:43:37.088 --> 01:43:45.002
multi- multi-discipline-areas that you need to be competent in. Uh, and e- everywhere from anatomy to leadership. I

01:43:45.072 --> 01:43:52.632
mean, it's... And everything in between, and understanding physics, and understanding exercise physiology. And, and people can kind of fake

01:43:52.692 --> 01:43:53.192
it along

01:43:53.232 --> 01:43:58.032
the way, um, but then when the people fake it, the only time they're successful is when

01:43:58.072 --> 01:44:02.192
they have talent. Uh, because talent- Yeah ... is something that's really hard to beat.

01:44:02.852 --> 01:44:03.032
Hard

01:44:03.072 --> 01:44:05.012
to beat talent. It is.

01:44:05.092 --> 01:44:08.042
I mean, uh, moderate talent with, with hard

01:44:08.132 --> 01:44:11.082
work can beat talent, unless talent has hard

01:44:11.152 --> 01:44:15.071
work too, and then you can't do it. But you take that example, Ty,

01:44:15.112 --> 01:44:16.952
that you just gave, take

01:44:17.012 --> 01:44:17.572
that into

01:44:18.152 --> 01:44:22.292
China. In China, you can only coach one event. That's their mindset.

01:44:22.792 --> 01:44:24.032
Yeah. That's all you're capable of.

01:44:24.912 --> 01:44:29.061
The, and of course the Western coaches drive them nuts, because we've coached almost every

01:44:29.061 --> 01:44:35.202
event by the time you're my age. You've coached a multitude of events. Um, and, and

01:44:35.272 --> 01:44:39.052
so when I went over and was helping the sprinters, they're like, "You can't help. You don't

01:44:39.072 --> 01:44:39.972
know anything about sprinting."

01:44:40.412 --> 01:44:42.212
I'm like, "Well, a- actually,

01:44:42.292 --> 01:44:44.072
I do." And then when I switch from

01:44:44.132 --> 01:44:46.152
there to helping the 800

01:44:46.192 --> 01:44:48.092
meter runners, they're like, "What, what do you know about

01:44:48.112 --> 01:44:52.072
the 800 meter runner?" And I had to say to them one day, because I was being

01:44:52.132 --> 01:44:54.912
kind of crappy, and I was a little pissed at the

01:44:55.032 --> 01:44:58.192
manager. I said, "Ob- obviously you didn't read my resume,

01:44:58.272 --> 01:45:02.082
did you? Because you would... If you had, you would have known that I coached the 800

01:45:02.112 --> 01:45:05.102
meter US champion, two-time US champion in the 800 meters.

01:45:05.652 --> 01:45:06.012
And if you

01:45:06.112 --> 01:45:09.232
didn't know that, then you wouldn't be saying what you're saying

01:45:09.272 --> 01:45:09.992
to me right now."

01:45:10.532 --> 01:45:13.232
So, or the relay, set the national record in the relay.

01:45:13.642 --> 01:45:14.072
"You don't know how to

01:45:14.112 --> 01:45:16.092
coach the relay." Well, that's

01:45:16.132 --> 01:45:17.042
not true, you

01:45:17.092 --> 01:45:19.152
know? I may not have coached the US

01:45:19.232 --> 01:45:23.272
national team, but I coached some pretty good relays with people who weren't very fast,

01:45:23.952 --> 01:45:25.072
who ran a lot better

01:45:25.092 --> 01:45:29.192
than they should have. These are the kind of things and, and when you pigeonhole someone like that.

01:45:30.172 --> 01:45:34.632
And har- and it's so hard with resumes. You've probably looked at a ton of CVs by now.

01:45:34.672 --> 01:45:35.052
When you look

01:45:35.092 --> 01:45:35.722
at resumes,

01:45:36.362 --> 01:45:38.972
you gotta figure out a way to see

01:45:39.032 --> 01:45:45.112
through the words, and hopefully the interview is the way to do that. Sometimes people don't interview well,

01:45:45.132 --> 01:45:46.012
and they're really good at what

01:45:46.032 --> 01:45:52.512
they do, but they don't give you that pizzazz and the, the d- they, you don't walk away with the

01:45:52.552 --> 01:45:57.912
feeling that they can do. And I, I think Ty probably has a pretty good gut feeling for people now,

01:45:57.972 --> 01:45:58.052
and

01:45:58.132 --> 01:46:00.112
I d- a- a- and I feel like I do too.

01:46:00.712 --> 01:46:01.012
Um,

01:46:02.352 --> 01:46:02.912
and I, and

01:46:03.032 --> 01:46:07.032
I know that I have sent people to different individuals,

01:46:07.372 --> 01:46:09.072
and they just don't see what I see.

01:46:09.712 --> 01:46:13.952
And it's, it's interesting that they can't see it, because the person couldn't

01:46:14.052 --> 01:46:16.072
communicate just how good they

01:46:16.132 --> 01:46:16.992
were at

01:46:17.032 --> 01:46:19.042
what they need, what they, the other

01:46:19.112 --> 01:46:21.072
person needed. And, and in

01:46:21.092 --> 01:46:23.012
a sport, you know, when we

01:46:23.052 --> 01:46:26.012
look at... Now, I never had to do much recruiting. Ty, you had

01:46:26.032 --> 01:46:27.512
to recruit collegiately.

01:46:28.132 --> 01:46:28.392
Um,

01:46:28.832 --> 01:46:30.072
you know, I didn't ever have to do

01:46:30.112 --> 01:46:30.792
much recruiting.

01:46:31.552 --> 01:46:31.912
So

01:46:32.412 --> 01:46:36.132
people came to me at some point. They're asking me to coach

01:46:36.192 --> 01:46:39.092
them. And then Ty, you experienced that yourself too.

01:46:39.812 --> 01:46:39.832
You

01:46:39.852 --> 01:46:44.092
know, when you're looking at, now you're looking, and I asked Bobby Kersee this not

01:46:44.132 --> 01:46:44.612
long ago,

01:46:45.232 --> 01:46:51.242
because Bobvously, Bobby obviously has incredible personalities around him. And I asked him, "Bobby,

01:46:51.612 --> 01:46:52.702
how do you decide,

01:46:54.052 --> 01:46:56.052
um, who you're gonna let

01:46:56.132 --> 01:46:56.561
into

01:46:58.152 --> 01:46:58.932
your church here?"

01:46:59.292 --> 01:47:01.272
You know? "How do you make that decision?"

01:47:02.692 --> 01:47:02.992
And

01:47:03.132 --> 01:47:04.962
it's, he says, "Well," you

01:47:05.032 --> 01:47:07.052
know, we kind of went through some things. He says, "It's actually pretty

01:47:07.092 --> 01:47:11.192
simple. Either they want to be coached by me or not. And if they want to be coached

01:47:11.252 --> 01:47:16.012
by me, you're back to the non-negotiables. This is who I am. This is what we're gonna do. If

01:47:16.052 --> 01:47:17.032
you don't want this, you can

01:47:17.052 --> 01:47:20.032
go find another coach." I, I, it

01:47:20.192 --> 01:47:22.052
sounds so brisk. It

01:47:22.152 --> 01:47:22.672
sounds so...

01:47:23.242 --> 01:47:27.012
But it, you know, in the case of someone like Bobby, he's coached so many

01:47:27.092 --> 01:47:29.912
people. He really has to take that attitude because

01:47:30.012 --> 01:47:32.352
otherwise someone could destroy his program.

01:47:33.552 --> 01:47:33.912
And,

01:47:34.612 --> 01:47:34.852
um,

01:47:36.692 --> 01:47:42.072
at the level he wants to coach at, which is basically gold medal f- or podium level, he can't

01:47:42.112 --> 01:47:48.252
afford to do that anymore. Most of us don't deal with the podium level, uh, in, in business or in,

01:47:48.292 --> 01:47:49.252
in the sport we're involved

01:47:49.292 --> 01:47:55.332
in, you know? Uh, I mean, some just fantastic perspective there, and appreciate both of you.

01:47:55.432 --> 01:47:58.191
Uh, the length of it and the quality of what you both said is terrific.

01:47:58.632 --> 01:48:03.192
One last question as we kind of wrap up this reflections and memoral, memorable moments,

01:48:03.852 --> 01:48:10.332
uh, section of our conversation. Uh, if you had the opportunity to go back now and give your younger coaching

01:48:10.372 --> 01:48:14.132
self, your year one or year two coaching self, one piece of advice,

01:48:15.092 --> 01:48:15.261
what

01:48:15.272 --> 01:48:21.932
would you say? And Ty, I'm gonna start with you there, and then Randy, uh, you'll finish off this, uh,

01:48:21.932 --> 01:48:27.132
uh, reflections and memorable moments section for us before we continue on. Um,

01:48:28.032 --> 01:48:33.892
my biggest thing that I look at it as a shortcoming, um,

01:48:34.032 --> 01:48:37.052
was, uh, there's two things. One's from almost

01:48:37.112 --> 01:48:38.992
like a, a training

01:48:39.032 --> 01:48:41.172
perspective, um,

01:48:41.292 --> 01:48:48.412
was that there's the old saying of what got you there keeps you there, and I completely disagree

01:48:48.432 --> 01:48:53.672
with that now. Like, the one thing that I would, I would say is that as soon as you pigeonhole

01:48:53.732 --> 01:48:54.352
yourself,

01:48:55.272 --> 01:48:58.952
uh, into a certain mechanism, you've gotta be

01:48:59.012 --> 01:48:59.852
able to change.

01:49:00.252 --> 01:49:05.412
Um, and it evolves, because what athletes, need at different stages of their career are completely

01:49:05.452 --> 01:49:14.132
different. And the second thing I would do is I would really place an emphasis on. really understanding,

01:49:14.172 --> 01:49:18.072
and it goes back to the why, because I think it drives human behavior,

01:49:18.892 --> 01:49:24.272
um, not just sports behavior, is I would really try to get to know the person

01:49:25.272 --> 01:49:30.192
about what drove them and why are they here at this moment in time so that I could

01:49:30.792 --> 01:49:34.972
try to communicate better. Those are the, the two biggest things that,

01:49:35.092 --> 01:49:37.092
um, that I think that,

01:49:37.132 --> 01:49:38.972
that I would like to do

01:49:39.072 --> 01:49:39.552
different.

01:49:40.452 --> 01:49:45.064
Um- Those are just the only two things that are standing out to me

01:49:45.104 --> 01:49:49.944
right now. Yeah. It's, it's funny 'cause I, I usually... I was just looking for a book, and

01:49:50.004 --> 01:49:51.964
I usually keep it nearby because when

01:49:52.004 --> 01:49:52.934
I do these Zoom calls,

01:49:53.524 --> 01:49:56.044
uh, people alw- have always ask me about it,

01:49:56.084 --> 01:49:58.864
and it's, it's the book, If It Ain't Broke, Break It by

01:49:59.104 --> 01:50:03.904
Bob Kriegel. And, and it's right in line with what you just said, Ty.

01:50:04.024 --> 01:50:07.364
Um, you know, you, you have to be continuously looking

01:50:07.464 --> 01:50:11.024
at, uh, how to change, what to change.

01:50:11.804 --> 01:50:12.964
And if... and, and when

01:50:13.024 --> 01:50:14.984
you settle, now it's, it's

01:50:15.024 --> 01:50:18.304
difficult because, you know, the common truths of science

01:50:18.384 --> 01:50:21.404
stay with you, but so many other things evolve

01:50:21.964 --> 01:50:25.144
around you. And, and, you know, when, when, when I first read

01:50:25.164 --> 01:50:25.884
Kriegel's book,

01:50:26.724 --> 01:50:28.064
um, which was,

01:50:28.104 --> 01:50:31.064
you know, it's called If It Ain't Broke, Break It, that was back in,

01:50:31.884 --> 01:50:32.044
I don't

01:50:32.064 --> 01:50:32.984
know, '90

01:50:33.024 --> 01:50:33.724
or '91,

01:50:34.504 --> 01:50:39.244
um, it, it was very obvious to me that

01:50:39.824 --> 01:50:42.324
to sit on your laurels is a big

01:50:42.404 --> 01:50:42.624
error,

01:50:43.624 --> 01:50:45.124
and you needed to

01:50:45.184 --> 01:50:47.083
pursue and continue

01:50:47.124 --> 01:50:48.044
to pursue n- not

01:50:48.064 --> 01:50:48.744
only knowledge,

01:50:49.544 --> 01:50:51.044
people. And, and, and for

01:50:51.124 --> 01:50:53.204
me, if I had to go back

01:50:53.244 --> 01:50:55.024
and look at it, what would

01:50:55.144 --> 01:50:57.004
I do different? Two things.

01:50:57.864 --> 01:50:57.884
I

01:50:58.044 --> 01:50:59.924
would network a lot more.

01:51:00.064 --> 01:51:02.294
Back then, you couldn't network easily.

01:51:03.024 --> 01:51:03.924
To network

01:51:04.044 --> 01:51:04.324
meant

01:51:05.224 --> 01:51:12.544
write letters. You could- I couldn't afford to travel, you know, I was so poor. Um, today it's easy to

01:51:12.554 --> 01:51:14.004
network, you know. I

01:51:14.064 --> 01:51:15.904
mean, y- you, you just...

01:51:15.904 --> 01:51:16.834
y- we're doing this,

01:51:17.384 --> 01:51:17.524
you know.

01:51:18.044 --> 01:51:19.794
You have to remember, for me it was,

01:51:20.004 --> 01:51:21.164
the, uh... cell phones didn't

01:51:21.184 --> 01:51:24.044
exist yet. I mean, we're, we're... that's how far back

01:51:24.104 --> 01:51:27.104
we're going, you know. I mean, we're still VHS tapes,

01:51:27.644 --> 01:51:28.244
we're still...

01:51:28.644 --> 01:51:30.134
Well, uh, actually VHS wasn't even

01:51:30.204 --> 01:51:30.604
there yet.

01:51:31.084 --> 01:51:33.164
We're, we're, we're, we're before

01:51:33.224 --> 01:51:33.524
that.

01:51:34.084 --> 01:51:37.004
And so networking was not as easy, and

01:51:37.084 --> 01:51:41.684
that would be something that I would suggest. And unfortunately,

01:51:42.324 --> 01:51:44.044
network, n- networking now has

01:51:44.084 --> 01:51:44.904
become a little bit

01:51:47.164 --> 01:51:50.224
too much. People are getting accolades for networking.

01:51:50.784 --> 01:51:50.944
Like,

01:51:51.323 --> 01:51:52.664
what are you doing coaching-wise,

01:51:52.744 --> 01:51:53.964
you know? You're networked

01:51:54.004 --> 01:51:56.164
into a great coach, but you haven't coached

01:51:56.224 --> 01:52:00.094
anybody yet. What, what, what, you know, how does that

01:52:00.204 --> 01:52:03.084
happen? The other thing, and I know this sounds

01:52:03.204 --> 01:52:07.064
rude, I probably would tell myself, "Don't go coach track

01:52:07.084 --> 01:52:12.064
and field." I might tell myself, "Go coach a different sport."

01:52:13.704 --> 01:52:17.184
Because there was a lot of years,

01:52:18.004 --> 01:52:19.344
maybe about 25,

01:52:19.984 --> 01:52:23.984
where I had no income in coaching track and field, and yet that was the profession I

01:52:24.004 --> 01:52:28.044
chose. So I was always doing something else to survive.

01:52:29.144 --> 01:52:29.404
Um,

01:52:30.504 --> 01:52:30.804
and,

01:52:31.384 --> 01:52:31.424
you

01:52:31.464 --> 01:52:39.673
know, other sports interested me. Football interested me, basketball interested me, hockey. You know, other sports interested me, but the,

01:52:39.744 --> 01:52:41.004
the individualism

01:52:41.684 --> 01:52:42.024
and the

01:52:42.084 --> 01:52:44.004
purity of track and field

01:52:44.084 --> 01:52:47.344
just appealed to me, you know. It's, it's, it's sport at its,

01:52:47.384 --> 01:52:50.034
to me, its purest level. One of the sports

01:52:50.424 --> 01:52:51.144
at its purest

01:52:51.204 --> 01:52:53.074
level. Uh, and its,

01:52:53.964 --> 01:52:54.204
um,

01:52:56.264 --> 01:52:59.924
its ability for you to express who you

01:53:00.024 --> 01:53:00.964
are, what you

01:53:01.004 --> 01:53:03.234
can do, and not be dependent

01:53:03.304 --> 01:53:09.984
on others. So that was a quality, that individualism, which is, you know, runs pretty

01:53:10.024 --> 01:53:10.774
rampant in me,

01:53:11.384 --> 01:53:13.844
um, I, I... that appealed to me.

01:53:14.104 --> 01:53:17.204
And so that, that why to the younger Randy

01:53:18.064 --> 01:53:19.164
would be network

01:53:19.244 --> 01:53:22.104
more, find more mentors.

01:53:22.884 --> 01:53:27.004
In today's world, that's much easier to do than it was then. And,

01:53:27.124 --> 01:53:33.164
um, possibly look at other sports as something that you could be as passionate

01:53:33.204 --> 01:53:33.664
about.

01:53:34.524 --> 01:53:37.924
Um, and I'm not so sure that

01:53:38.004 --> 01:53:40.124
I would've found that, but I, I would

01:53:40.424 --> 01:53:40.984
try, I would try

01:53:41.044 --> 01:53:41.524
it. I mean,

01:53:42.404 --> 01:53:43.004
um, I

01:53:43.124 --> 01:53:47.084
worked in the NFL, you know, I worked with NBA players, I worked with

01:53:47.164 --> 01:53:49.044
NHL guys, uh, I worked

01:53:49.064 --> 01:53:52.914
with baseball, I worked with, you know, different, all those different sports,

01:53:53.024 --> 01:53:53.604
golfers.

01:53:54.344 --> 01:53:54.644
Um,

01:53:55.464 --> 01:53:58.204
and the carryover

01:53:58.304 --> 01:53:59.944
is almost... I mean, I mean,

01:54:00.124 --> 01:54:02.964
it's... track and field carries over into so many

01:54:03.004 --> 01:54:06.044
sports, so it's pretty easy for us to pick up. I mean,

01:54:06.424 --> 01:54:07.084
Ty, you went right

01:54:07.144 --> 01:54:07.864
into golf,

01:54:08.464 --> 01:54:08.684
you know,

01:54:09.024 --> 01:54:11.144
right out of, uh, w- while you were at the training

01:54:11.204 --> 01:54:13.114
center still, and that carried over

01:54:13.164 --> 01:54:13.774
really easily,

01:54:14.424 --> 01:54:16.004
you know, to, to go there.

01:54:16.064 --> 01:54:18.063
And, and I think that,

01:54:18.184 --> 01:54:20.144
uh, when you

01:54:20.464 --> 01:54:21.964
w- use track and field as

01:54:22.004 --> 01:54:29.004
your base, just like in training children, the hep and dec become a great way to create that physical literacy

01:54:29.064 --> 01:54:29.184
of

01:54:29.244 --> 01:54:29.964
different events.

01:54:30.624 --> 01:54:30.884
You,

01:54:31.284 --> 01:54:37.274
um, you give yourself the opportunity, and, and, and, and I would express to the younger coaches to,

01:54:37.324 --> 01:54:42.124
to go and do that. And the one thing that Ty's heard me say is, "Don't

01:54:42.164 --> 01:54:44.984
do what I did, and don't give up your life for

01:54:45.024 --> 01:54:51.754
the sport." And, and, and that would be the strongest message I would tell young Randy: "Do not give up

01:54:51.784 --> 01:54:54.904
your life for the sport." That means don't give up family,

01:54:55.144 --> 01:54:59.054
marriage, wife. That is more important than

01:54:59.084 --> 01:54:59.864
the sport is.

01:55:00.724 --> 01:55:02.114
And, and I think,

01:55:02.204 --> 01:55:02.404
you know,

01:55:04.184 --> 01:55:07.104
y- y... and I've told that to every single young coach that I've ever

01:55:07.144 --> 01:55:11.164
been around, "Do not give up your life for the sport. It's

01:55:11.224 --> 01:55:16.984
not worth it." We appreciate you tuning into part one of this

01:55:17.044 --> 01:55:23.034
episode. Join us for part two where we shift gears and talk about Randy and Ty's early experiences with Keiser.

01:55:23.724 --> 01:55:29.164
We hit on what it was like being early adopters of Keiser, with Randy providing some specific protocols

01:55:29.244 --> 01:55:31.024
he used to help Willie Banks break a world

01:55:31.044 --> 01:55:34.424
record. We'll end the episode with some candid reflections

01:55:34.864 --> 01:55:36.284
and memorable career moments.

01:55:36.964 --> 01:55:37.144
Thank

01:55:37.204 --> 01:55:38.144
you, and have a great

01:55:38.184 --> 01:55:38.444
day.

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Welcome to the Keiser Human Performance Podcast.

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The goal of this podcast. is to educate and inspire you to make the most of your

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journey in health and

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performance. Each episode will provide an in-depth discussion on a specific topic related to human performance.

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If you're a growth-minded individual seeking knowledge and better solutions,

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this

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podcast is for you. We're glad you're listening in, and we're excited to learn alongside

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you. Today's discussion is part two of a two-part episode with guests Randy Huntington and Ty

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Seibin. In part one, we covered pillars of training philosophies, challenges in working with elite athletes,

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and Ty

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and Randy's why. In

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part two here, we'll talk about the earlier days at Keiser, including Randy's first go-around working

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for the company and a story of how Randy introduced

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Ty to Keiser. Later,

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Randy will share with us some of the protocols he used with Keiser to train Olympians such as Willie

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Banks and Sue Bichon. Ty shares with us how Keiser became one of his most valuable coaching tools for athlete

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development. We'll end the episode with some candid reflections and memorable

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career moments. You can follow Randy on social

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media at hunt895wr and Ty at tyseibin.

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That's T-Y-S-E-B-I-N.

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To learn more about Keiser, you can follow us

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Thank you for tuning in and enjoy the rest of the episode.

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Randy, can you tell us about your early experiences with Keiser? I-I've come to understand that you actually introduced

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Ty to Keiser, um, which he has embraced. So can you tell me about those early experiences

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and really how you first got

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introduced to Keiser?

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Um, I didn't know about Keiser when we first went to look

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at opening The Breakers, but we went down to

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that trade show. Um, David Giale-Gi-Giale-Gi-

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Giacomo? Gosh, I can't remember David's

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last name. He's in there somewhere, Ty, still in the UK in, in all of the,

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the,

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the sales and everything. But,

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um,

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I went down there and, and

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as I... I mean,

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it was like the first time I saw a Mega

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Wave sitting with Val and those guys up

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in Seattle and I went, "Wait a minute, I can test daily how these athletes are reacting to the

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stress of the previous

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day?" I mean, that's

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periodization, but without having to write, without guessing.

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So for me, when I saw that, it was the, the same sort of epiphany.

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Like

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I have a piece

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of equipment that I can now work and whatev- regardless of the resistance I

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choose, I can move as fast as

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I'm capable of.

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That's wow,

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you

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know.

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Because, you know, I'm in Florida, obviously Nautilus is huge in Florida.

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Um, DeLand was right up

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the street. Um, the little first gym and, and the PJ was full of Nautilus,

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uh, 'cause that's what they

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were, you know, doing. That's what everybody was doing back then.

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Um,

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and

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I saw the,

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right away, the limitations of Nautilus 'cause I wanted to move

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fast and, you know, you, you

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can't. Um, and, and it's not to say that you don't have benefits of doing mass-based work because

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you do. But from there, I took it, I,

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I went from, um, Palm Beach, I gave up

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a job.

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Geez, I mean, this is... You know, you guys are gonna say Randy's

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stupid, but I gave up a job at sixty-five

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thousand a year in nineteen eighty-three, eighty-four

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to go to Berkeley to coach for six thousand

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a

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year,

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you know. And that's

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the kind of decisions you wouldn't make again maybe.

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Um,

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but, uh, that was the I'm not worthy driving me to be a coach because, you know,

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you're going, "I know this stuff and I know I can do a good job at this."

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Because the... My passion wasn't in with regular people.

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I didn't, I

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didn't have that, that health thing

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yet. As you get older I think you get a little bit more of that. But

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that back then, you know, I was thirty year- I was almost thirty years old. I was twenty-nine and thirty

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by the time I got to, to

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Cal.

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Um,

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I got Cal to put in

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what was close to the first Keiser in the country in a, in a university.

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North Carolina I think was the very

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first. Um, there might even others, but, you know, we put in a,

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a line and then I started training my athletes on Keiser then. So in nineteen eighty-

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f- it... In the, in the winter of eighty-four- five,

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we were already

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on Keiser and training. And I had Sheila Hudson and a number of other great, uh, athletes at Cal,

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females, and I did some coaching the men there. Um,

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and we just started see- I started

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seeing just what could be done. This is without

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the rack. The squat... The, the standing hip was just being created.

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You know,

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the squat was still not... The, the leg

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press was, squat was coming.

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Um,

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you know, so there was, there was there in the infancy of... I mean, obviously Keiser had

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existed for five or

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six years,

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but m- it had mostly gone into the health clubs, which is

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interesting because, you know, you're looking at your

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perspective

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on where, how to, where you want your next area to be.

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And, um,

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that led me

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to seeing the results there, then that led me outOf,

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uh,

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of Cal into coaching

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elites, and,

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and that got me to Mike Powell and Willie Banks

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and da, da, da.

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And Dennis had

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worked and, um,

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created the

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seated calf for Willie Banks 'cause he had an Achilles injury, and we, so we were l- using that.

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Um, we were- I was down at UCLA by that time. Not at UCLA, but training at UCLA.

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And,

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uh,

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they had three pieces, four pieces of Keiser

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in there.

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And, you know, I, uh, I just had the opportunity

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to use it more and more,

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and eventually we got it in

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Mike's home, and

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that

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was, you know, the start. I mean, Willie,

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you know, albeit it was wind-dated, it's the first man over 18 meters that year. That's, without a doubt, seated

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calf

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created that, uh, for him. Um, his, his, his Achilles and his feet and his calves were not strong enough

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prior to that.

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Um, and, and then,

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uh, you know, I have tried, by the way, to be successful without Keiser

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and I can't do it. It, it, it's not the same result.

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It- I've never been able to get the same result. It's just

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too slow. We don't, can't go to that place beyond

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gravity, which is where non-volitional

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experiences

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happen, you know?

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Um, so from there I actually went to work for Keiser,

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and I went to work for Dennis in the,

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let me see, '88

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Olympics, so

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it would've been

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'89. I came to work for Keiser I think in

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March of '89, and stayed

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until '90-

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95,

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'96.

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Um, and, and, and worked in training and education and just trying to make sense of everything back then of...

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And, and, and then nobody was using Keiser

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at the elite level. I, I was the only

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one. N- nobody else did it. So I, I mean, I'm way out there on

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the island by myself and, and being ridiculed pretty much by most strength coaches at that point, 'cause they didn't

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believe it.

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They didn't get, you know, they either thought,

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I mean, there's no eccentric,

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because they confused

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it with hydraulic. Uh, even Loren Seagrave, as recently as six years ago, didn't think Keiser had any eccentric,

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and he had it at LSU.

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I, I scratched my head when I-- He's sitting in fr- in front of me, I said, "Loren,

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you are kidding

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me, aren't you? Do you do realize

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that it has an, an incredible eccentric?

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I mean,

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y- you could need to go back and, and

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revisit this."

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Um,

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and,

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you know, so that was...

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I, I mean, I had to fight the you're not worthy part at

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this point, because pretty much everybody was telling me I was an idiot,

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you know, for believing what was, I, what was seeing in, in my eye, in front of my eyes.

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And the results that I was

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seeing, um, you know, when you look at what Mike did in that

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world record, which is, one, and when Ty talks about

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the Olympics and things, he's right.

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I sat

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in, I think, I'm at number 10

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Olympic Games, uh, not in the stadium in all of them, but

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in, in many. I mean, you get done, you're like, "Okay, well, it's

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another Olympics." And yet remember the kid in eighth grade who changed his whole life,

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went from being called Spaz to being a president of the student

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body. That's the stuff that really

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hits you and

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stays with you.

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Mm. Um, you know, world championships, you'd been through all that.

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And, and, and, and the hard part, and, and I think Ty can identify

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with this, as a coach you can go to a world championships

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or a USA championships,

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Pan Am,

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Olympics, and you're there, and you got three or four

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athletes going,

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and they don't all

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do well, so you're dealing with incredible success here

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and formidable depression

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over here,

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'cause they failed. You as a coach don't ever get to

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enjoy it.

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Mm. You don't get to be that person over here

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a- and, and you don't wanna be this person over here, but you gotta deal with both, and it balances

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out to

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nothing. It, I mean, it's

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an experience still, don't get me wrong, but

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you get you,

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you don't get to enjoy the fruits

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of your labor

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unless you're

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one-on-one, and then you can, you, you might. And, you know, in the case of Mike in '91, it

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was just me and him. Willie, I wasn't coaching Willie

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at that time. You got something to say, Ty? No, no. No, no, no. It's-

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Just agreeing.

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Just agreeing. Um-

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I- Go ahead. Yeah, I heard, I, I heard, and, and I think I heard correctly,

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uh, uh, and please correct

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me if I'm wrong, that Ty, your first experience

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was

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actually, uh, with Randy,

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with Keiser, and

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you purchased Mike Powell's, uh, equipment. Is that

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right? Well, I, yeah. My,

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my, my,

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um, by the time that

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I had met Randy in 2002, we were going up to hike Half Dome. It was kind of a,

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um, I believe it was going up to Half Dome, and Randy got one of

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the guys- Yeah, it was the Olym- the Olympic hike we called it, remember? The Olympic hike. Yeah. And,

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um, we were gonna

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stop by Keiser headquarters and look at this equipment.

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And, uh, we went through the demo, and I remember walking out in the parking lot and giving Randy a,

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a mouthful of, "Why did you waste our time? This is like

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the most..." You know, like I, I was, I'm like, "Dude, I missed the Olympic team by

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a foot." It's like I've got identified that if I can do X,

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Y, and Z, you know, like,

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if I can do X, Y, and Z,

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like I'm not gonna change what

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I've... I mean, I'm, by this time I'm 30 years old,

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living in a dorm room-With another grown

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man. I've

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got maybe $20 to my name. I'm in probably 30 or $40,000 worth of credit card debt by trying to

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make an Olympic team

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with no job, right?

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I'm, I'm working at Bally's as a personal trainer. I'm training

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minor league, uh, baseball players from the Padres. I mean, whatever, whatever we could do to, you know,

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to

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get by. And it kinda went by, and we didn't have the opportunity to ever get Keiser, and it kinda

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went away. Um,

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and when I fast-forward this to 2007,

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Randy had moved

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on,

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uh, earlier, uh, I believe in 2003.

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Well, I found myself

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as the director of the Olympic Training Center residency program, and I'm sitting with a budget at the end of

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the year, and it's kinda one of those things, if you don't, you don't spend it, you're gonna lose

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it. And Randy kept calling me. He goes, "Ty,

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I'm telling you, I'm telling you, this is something that can change your trajectory. Like, this is another tool that

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you don't have to change everything." You can, but I never,

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I never got the science side of it. Because at that time, until Dr. Frost's study came out, there was

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no evidence,

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uh, on a, an acute or... We knew from an acute level based on the physics

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that the, you were moving

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faster, right? You're absolutely moving faster.

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Like, you, you don't have to do a study on that.

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Uh, if you understand Newton's,

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um, three laws of, of mo- movement, it, it, it's inevitable.

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But

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I understood from the literature that speed was not a derivative of how fast you move, it

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was how fast the muscle contraction gets, and I couldn't draw the parallel at that time, right? 'Cause we're reading

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NSCA books, and there's nothing

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about pneumatics. Mm-hmm. You know? Like, there's nothing out there. So to make a long story short, I ordered

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a rack, I ordered a hip

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machine. We ordered a squat, a seated

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calf. I think I said rack- Oh, yeah ... and, and like a tr- trainer.

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Keep in mind, Gabe, this is 23,

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24 years after I started

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using it, and, and he's

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still... And Ty's the pri- he's the

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prime example, still struggling with

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its function.

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Like, you know. I mean- Well- ... 24 years later, I'm having the same

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conversation. Go ahead, Ty. Sorry. Right, right. So it, it comes in, and the air squat was a

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big hit, the hip machine was a big hit,

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and the functional trainer was a big hit.

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And at this time, I'm coaching events that

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the rules of the, the training center were you had to already have the A standard. We were not developing

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people anymore. Mm-hmm. So I'm bringing people in. At this time, I'm coaching people like Tim Mack, Olympic gold medalist

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in the pole vault, Toby Stevenson,

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Olympic silver medal in the pole vault, Stacy Dragila, Olympic medal in the pole vault.

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You know, Jared Rome, Ian Walsh, who were both Olympians, world championship competitors.

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They hated it.

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Like, I tell you what, they absolutely hated it because they were in the same situation

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I was when Randy brought

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me,

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was that, look, I've got two years

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to the n- No, we were a year out from the Olympics in

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2008, and it was a...

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I mean, I'll be completely honest, it was just almost like

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a gimmick. Because I, for one- ... didn't have the ability to communicate

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why it would be good because I couldn't even tell them, "Well, you

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can move fast." But I didn't have the experience and the research and the literature to back me up that

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moving fast... Because if you just take... You know, you think about it. If you're hitting a punching

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bag, and you get up every day, and you just try to go as fast

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as you can and punch a punching bag, you're not gonna get faster punching a punching bag more than... You

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know, I mean, it's... Moving fast in itself

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does not create a stimulus to get a response.

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So I kinda went back through

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it, and then when I, um, took a career change and took the head coaching job at the University of

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New Orleans, um,

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I had the opportunity. We didn't have a weight room.

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And in the interim, I had bought all of Mike Powell's

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old digital dials on,

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um, back probably 1981, '8... No, probably '85,

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'86. No, no. No, it was... That, that was... No, no,

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no, no. That was, uh, uh, '89,

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'90 actually. '89,

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'90. Yeah, yeah. So I brought it in, and now I had all of this Keiser equipment with a bunch

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of undeveloped

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athletes, meaning that they didn't... They saw Keiser, and they're like, "Holy..." I mean, this is the old dials, right?

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Like, you're looking at pounds per square inches, and

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it's pulling it up. And that's when it was like, oh,

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my goodness. I can teach intent

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here, right? Like, we're trying to use all of these things to get intent of, of moving fast and learning

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how to be dynamic.

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And then in that short period of a year, I saw people evolve, and started tracking, you

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know, trying to look at ground contact times. Yeah, we're

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using, you know, very limited ways to do that, but I saw these athletes changing in ways that they never

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changed

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before. Well, I'm getting into

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it. I'm really getting into it. I'm like, wow. Then I started getting on and looking,

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you know, getting on a leg press, getting on a leg extension, started doing hamstring curls for, uh, muscle endurance,

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where it's like you do hamstring curls for muscle endurance on mass. There's only so fast you can move because

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it flies up, and you're using a such light

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weight, and I'm trying to do it for 20 or 30 seconds, and now I can do...

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It's a tool in my

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tool bag that I never had. I never had the ability to

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use it. And I went to the university. I left. I was only there for a short while. I had

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the opportunity to go to University of Texas.And

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every year, you know, Todd was on that staff a- and Donnie.

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And at this point I'm like, "Guys, we need Keiser." But I still didn't have anything

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from a literature perspective, 'cause it... You- we all understand the collegiate system, especially if you start involving medical

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in

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it. Because if there's not peer-reviewed research that says that this is a valuable, uh, proposition, then it's speculation,

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and we're not gonna go into that. 'Cause as you know, there's these gimmicks that come out all the time,

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right? Like, there's something...

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I was just sent Todd a, a message the other day on, on a product that, um, you

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know, all these colleges are getting into, and I go, "Can you look into this? 'Cause this seems a little

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far-fetched," because Keiser makes some pretty good

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claims. But fortunately for Keiser, we now have the science to kind of back it

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up. Like, uh, y- if you wanna say how pneumatics, um, is, um, is easier on your joints,

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and then you start doing the research to try to figure out why. Well, then the light bulb clicked

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in my head, and I go, "Wow, you missed the Olympic team by less than a

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foot.

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W- why did you...

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What derailed your throwing

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sessions?" And I was like, "'Cause I was busting my butt so hard in the weight

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room, I woke up the next day, felt like I was hit

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by a truck." And then I start looking on my physical capabilities,

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and it was

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like, "What

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was hurting you?" And I started thinking about limb velocity.

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And

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then when I was at Texas and I just had that one year of experience of what I saw these,

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that weren't very talented kids, but seeing the change that could

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happen through driving velocity-based movement

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patterns, and then coming back to Texas for six years and not having it,

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even just in that timeframe,

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um...

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And at that point, I still didn't have the ability

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to really drive the narrative and talk to someone who wasn't open-minded,

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to be able to talk to somebody who was so dogmatic on their approach, that that was such a...

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It was so far out there that,

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you know,

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nobody, nobody

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would, would really listen to you. And then, um, started having conversations

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when Randy and a lot of other coaches

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told me what... To go back to what Randy said, was I had a decision to make of

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I'm married, I have two kids,

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I'm

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spending, you know, Monday through Saturday actually on the track, and I was looking to say, "Okay, at

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this juncture in my

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life, almost 50 years old, do I wanna stay in college

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track?" And then just started having conversations over a six-month period with

00:21:05.152 --> 00:21:05.572
Dennis.

00:21:06.572 --> 00:21:12.172
Uh, conversation after conversation, him asking me questions, me going in to, to research

00:21:12.252 --> 00:21:12.332
it,

00:21:13.332 --> 00:21:19.222
um, it just came to the point where

00:21:19.592 --> 00:21:25.272
I feel like it's a tool that if you're not using, you're at a competitive disadvantage.

00:21:26.392 --> 00:21:31.052
And my whole, my first two to three years at Keiser was going to meet with Dr.

00:21:31.312 --> 00:21:38.372
Frost at the University of Toronto and really understanding the research behind it, diving deep in the physics so you

00:21:38.432 --> 00:21:39.472
could take something

00:21:39.532 --> 00:21:41.232
that... It's actually

00:21:41.272 --> 00:21:41.522
funny,

00:21:42.312 --> 00:21:44.892
um, when I go into these facilities, we have a

00:21:45.012 --> 00:21:49.052
really poor foundation as coaches on

00:21:49.132 --> 00:21:53.292
physics, uh, and understanding, um,

00:21:53.832 --> 00:22:00.192
a lot of things involved in exercise physiology, and I, I really found out that the way

00:22:00.252 --> 00:22:02.312
that we have to describe, uh,

00:22:02.332 --> 00:22:06.372
Keiser, you almost have to do it in a practical situation. Because,

00:22:06.492 --> 00:22:11.852
uh, you have to get it in their facility just like I got it in at the University of New

00:22:11.912 --> 00:22:14.992
Orleans to see the results, and then you

00:22:15.052 --> 00:22:17.152
back up. Which is what science

00:22:17.212 --> 00:22:23.112
should be done. Science shouldn't be done to create new things. Science is

00:22:23.152 --> 00:22:26.321
to show you why the things that are happening

00:22:26.391 --> 00:22:29.071
are happening, if that makes sense. So,

00:22:29.132 --> 00:22:32.901
like, um, I always heard this from Randy, I've heard it from Dr.

00:22:33.172 --> 00:22:37.252
Vigil, I've heard... If you're waiting on science to give you the next

00:22:37.292 --> 00:22:39.332
big thing, you're always

00:22:39.392 --> 00:22:45.992
behind. Because science always proves why it happens after the fact that people have been using it for four to

00:22:46.032 --> 00:22:46.262
five

00:22:46.332 --> 00:22:53.182
years, and if we're talking about technological revolutions, four to five years is an eternity. So my,

00:22:53.552 --> 00:22:55.642
my implementation,

00:22:56.932 --> 00:22:57.252
um,

00:22:57.672 --> 00:22:59.172
coming from a science

00:22:59.312 --> 00:23:07.052
background, uh, uh, and a math background, being ec- my degree's in economics, my degree's not in exercise physiology, was

00:23:07.072 --> 00:23:10.132
that I was relying on the data that I had access to,

00:23:10.992 --> 00:23:15.132
and it wasn't until I actually had it and used it and tried to figure out how it

00:23:15.212 --> 00:23:21.042
fits in. This is the beautiful thing about it. Randy and I use... I- if we looked at, at, at

00:23:21.072 --> 00:23:22.032
the tools that we use

00:23:22.072 --> 00:23:24.961
in the weight room, there are some things that we use that are

00:23:25.012 --> 00:23:29.012
all the same, but regardless of what you're trying to accomplish,

00:23:29.892 --> 00:23:34.432
regardless of what you're trying to accomplish, it is a tool that is in your toolbox

00:23:34.552 --> 00:23:39.052
that in, in my opinion, if you're not using it, you're at a competitive disadvantage.

00:23:39.432 --> 00:23:44.072
But you have to understand what its utilization should be used for.

00:23:45.002 --> 00:23:48.222
And if you don't understand what the utilization is,

00:23:49.232 --> 00:23:54.062
it's like having a gun without a firing pin in it. It's totally

00:23:54.092 --> 00:23:54.502
worthless.

00:23:55.292 --> 00:24:00.972
So that, that was kind of the direction o- of why I came to work for Keiser, was to build

00:24:01.012 --> 00:24:02.202
a narrative around,

00:24:02.952 --> 00:24:03.192
um,

00:24:03.652 --> 00:24:05.252
how to use pneumatics

00:24:05.892 --> 00:24:07.052
to increase performance.

00:24:07.692 --> 00:24:12.052
And that's not just athletic performance, that could be how we get across the street faster before

00:24:12.072 --> 00:24:12.692
it turns red.

00:24:13.172 --> 00:24:14.532
Mm-hmm. Absolutely.

00:24:15.256 --> 00:24:18.116
Go ahead, Randy. I know you got a lot to say here, and I- No, no. I mean,

00:24:18.216 --> 00:24:18.916
it's, it's,

00:24:19.016 --> 00:24:21.976
uh, you can imagine what it

00:24:22.036 --> 00:24:25.956
was like seeing it, feeling it, using

00:24:26.016 --> 00:24:27.236
it, watching

00:24:27.296 --> 00:24:30.096
it work without the data.

00:24:31.356 --> 00:24:31.456
It,

00:24:31.536 --> 00:24:34.956
it just, my data, my experiences watching things

00:24:35.076 --> 00:24:35.396
happen,

00:24:36.036 --> 00:24:39.216
and trying to explain that to people who

00:24:39.896 --> 00:24:40.096
a- are,

00:24:40.196 --> 00:24:43.086
as Ty said, a- already are very well entrenched in

00:24:43.156 --> 00:24:43.996
their, their

00:24:44.076 --> 00:24:47.056
training methodologies. And, uh,

00:24:48.856 --> 00:24:50.496
trying to get them to understand

00:24:51.116 --> 00:24:51.126
w-

00:24:51.126 --> 00:24:56.076
w- what they're missing. You know, it, it's happened with everybody. It, it happened with Ty.

00:24:56.956 --> 00:24:58.005
Recently it's happened with Joseph

00:24:58.096 --> 00:25:02.016
Coin. It's happened with Rolph Ohman. I mean, Rolph didn't believe any

00:25:02.056 --> 00:25:03.986
of it, and, and

00:25:04.016 --> 00:25:04.676
Joseph thought

00:25:05.036 --> 00:25:05.976
K- Keiser was a joke,

00:25:07.076 --> 00:25:07.316
um,

00:25:08.036 --> 00:25:12.116
and literally. And, and, and Rolph was like, "Well, I'm gonna go prove

00:25:12.176 --> 00:25:14.056
you wrong." I said, "Go

00:25:14.096 --> 00:25:16.296
ahead. Be my guest.

00:25:17.266 --> 00:25:18.896
Take your mi- mini micro lab,

00:25:19.036 --> 00:25:20.096
go down there, and

00:25:20.155 --> 00:25:23.066
measure everything." And

00:25:23.116 --> 00:25:25.396
he did. He did it for three days.

00:25:26.396 --> 00:25:30.016
And, you know, this is, this is in, in China, in the, in the national training center. And he

00:25:30.076 --> 00:25:30.216
came

00:25:30.316 --> 00:25:32.096
back up to me and he

00:25:32.136 --> 00:25:32.326
said,

00:25:34.096 --> 00:25:36.096
"You're right." I said, "Well, I don't

00:25:36.156 --> 00:25:38.476
wanna be right, but I've had enough experience

00:25:38.516 --> 00:25:38.936
to know

00:25:39.456 --> 00:25:42.156
that what you were gonna go do, I already had the answer

00:25:42.216 --> 00:25:44.036
for. I knew what you were gonna find."

00:25:47.076 --> 00:25:51.036
You know? And, and in this particular case, he was looking at the eccentric part, and I knew he was

00:25:51.056 --> 00:25:58.096
gonna find greater velocities 'cause it's faster than gravity. It's just, you know, it's, it, it... And that sentence alone

00:25:58.316 --> 00:26:00.136
does not compute in people's

00:26:00.236 --> 00:26:04.296
minds. They don't get faster than gravity.

00:26:04.876 --> 00:26:05.016
How

00:26:05.156 --> 00:26:07.136
can it be? You know?

00:26:08.446 --> 00:26:08.756
And

00:26:09.616 --> 00:26:11.476
i- and, and just because they don't understand

00:26:11.576 --> 00:26:14.296
that, that the, the mass has that gravitational

00:26:14.336 --> 00:26:14.676
load, that,

00:26:15.036 --> 00:26:17.036
that it, everything moves at one

00:26:17.096 --> 00:26:20.766
velocity, or increases if you wish, and the acceleration to a, a

00:26:21.016 --> 00:26:23.116
terminal velocity. But, um,

00:26:24.796 --> 00:26:24.945
when

00:26:25.116 --> 00:26:27.036
you, when you start to understand

00:26:27.096 --> 00:26:30.956
that, now what's happening on the ground is completely different in, in

00:26:31.016 --> 00:26:34.056
our sport, what's happening in,

00:26:34.096 --> 00:26:36.336
uh, with the ground contact

00:26:36.376 --> 00:26:41.436
times, and what you're doing and how you're reacting and what you're overcoming,

00:26:42.056 --> 00:26:42.176
and

00:26:42.296 --> 00:26:44.045
overcoming velocity-based

00:26:44.136 --> 00:26:46.456
force versus gravitational-based

00:26:46.516 --> 00:26:46.856
force.

00:26:47.656 --> 00:26:50.136
You know, or in greater than vel- gravitational

00:26:50.376 --> 00:26:52.076
velocity. It's a different

00:26:52.136 --> 00:26:54.276
game, and it is a game changer.

00:26:55.296 --> 00:26:55.476
Um,

00:26:56.096 --> 00:26:58.686
but I was feeling that back in, in the mid-'80s.

00:26:59.165 --> 00:27:00.376
And so for me,

00:27:00.516 --> 00:27:02.036
w- I felt, I mean, it was a little

00:27:02.076 --> 00:27:07.286
weird because you have to be pretty strong in your convictions to continue fighting

00:27:07.336 --> 00:27:09.136
a battle that other people

00:27:09.146 --> 00:27:14.996
don't understand. And Ty was so great. I mean, he just said it, I mean, and, and, and very

00:27:15.076 --> 00:27:17.056
honestly, what he went through.

00:27:18.076 --> 00:27:20.196
And, and that's exactly what everybody goes

00:27:20.256 --> 00:27:20.456
through.

00:27:21.376 --> 00:27:26.276
You know? I mean, that is a story that could, I could tell 100 times with different coaches.

00:27:26.756 --> 00:27:28.196
They all go through that same

00:27:28.736 --> 00:27:30.276
thing, and today it's a little different

00:27:30.356 --> 00:27:30.716
maybe,

00:27:31.176 --> 00:27:33.016
maybe not, but,

00:27:33.136 --> 00:27:38.076
um, I would like to think that today's strength and conditioning coaches are better educated than

00:27:38.116 --> 00:27:40.136
we were back then. But,

00:27:40.236 --> 00:27:40.396
uh,

00:27:41.056 --> 00:27:47.176
you know, you have a tool that quite frankly without it I feel like my hands are tied behind

00:27:47.216 --> 00:27:49.116
my back. You know? And like

00:27:49.196 --> 00:27:51.976
I said, Norm, when I was in Korea, I did not have any

00:27:52.016 --> 00:27:54.146
Keiser to use, so I had to do everything

00:27:54.176 --> 00:27:59.016
with Olympic lifting. Um, I was fortunate to have a Tendo with me so I could start to at least

00:27:59.096 --> 00:28:04.776
show them that they needed to increase the velocity of their lifts, so that means you need to l- lift

00:28:04.816 --> 00:28:07.046
a little lighter and bring along if we're gonna be

00:28:07.076 --> 00:28:09.156
velocity-based. And, uh,

00:28:09.616 --> 00:28:09.976
you know, we

00:28:10.056 --> 00:28:15.016
were, I think most of us were introduced to velocity-based training by,

00:28:15.136 --> 00:28:15.396
um,

00:28:17.216 --> 00:28:19.256
um, Meg and her husband,

00:28:20.436 --> 00:28:21.936
and then at the training

00:28:22.056 --> 00:28:25.096
center, uh, was really when Judd Logan came. You remember

00:28:25.116 --> 00:28:26.986
Ty, Judd came, and he had

00:28:27.016 --> 00:28:29.206
the Tendo there, and we're just like,

00:28:29.526 --> 00:28:32.156
"Well, this thing's great." I bought two of them, bought one for myself,

00:28:32.536 --> 00:28:32.996
bought one for

00:28:33.036 --> 00:28:36.116
the center, and I still don't know what happened to mine. They're both

00:28:36.496 --> 00:28:37.196
gone somewhere.

00:28:37.676 --> 00:28:38.036
Um- I have

00:28:38.116 --> 00:28:40.106
it, but it broke. You... Oh, okay. I guess

00:28:40.116 --> 00:28:44.976
Ty has it. Well, two things disappeared, the Tendos disappeared and

00:28:45.016 --> 00:28:49.016
the, uh, Lavig lasers disappeared, and I still don't know where those are. Um,

00:28:49.796 --> 00:28:56.456
but, you know, and that's embracing technology. So to me, Keiser was nothing more than embracing technology,

00:28:57.226 --> 00:28:57.456
than

00:28:57.476 --> 00:28:57.986
taking

00:28:58.436 --> 00:29:02.216
something that others, again, pulling from this area

00:29:02.336 --> 00:29:06.036
over here, 'cause everything was machine-based at first.

00:29:06.536 --> 00:29:08.366
You have to remember, when I got into coaching,

00:29:08.796 --> 00:29:13.146
it was all machine-based except in the throws. Only the throwers were doing

00:29:13.156 --> 00:29:16.076
Olympic lifting. Very few,

00:29:16.176 --> 00:29:19.936
um... A- but at Oregon we had some foreign athletes,

00:29:20.016 --> 00:29:21.676
Australians, Norwegians,

00:29:22.176 --> 00:29:22.296
some

00:29:22.396 --> 00:29:24.976
others, and they came in with a different set

00:29:25.176 --> 00:29:28.116
of, a, a different skill sets in the, in the weight room.

00:29:28.736 --> 00:29:32.116
So that exposed me to something outside of the Nautilus room, which was

00:29:32.216 --> 00:29:33.296
over in the football

00:29:33.356 --> 00:29:37.016
area, which is kinda what we were, you know, everybody was the, it

00:29:37.076 --> 00:29:43.926
was the thing. And Ty didn't go through and didn't have to go through what Dennis went through, and that

00:29:43.956 --> 00:29:47.076
is that battle that Dennis went through with,

00:29:47.496 --> 00:29:47.976
and, and, and

00:29:48.036 --> 00:29:50.006
you've heard the stories, with Nautilus and

00:29:50.096 --> 00:29:53.316
Universal. 'Cause Universal used to be headquartered in Fresno.

00:29:54.336 --> 00:29:54.496
Um,

00:29:55.076 --> 00:29:58.116
you know, and, and so the, the, the, the battle between

00:29:58.176 --> 00:30:01.096
moving slow and moving fast,

00:30:02.176 --> 00:30:04.025
and Universal was, was made to

00:30:04.136 --> 00:30:06.016
u- move faster because you could,

00:30:06.656 --> 00:30:10.036
and Nautilus was made to move slow because it wasn't designed for it and would break

00:30:10.056 --> 00:30:13.016
the equipment apart, which is what happened with the Washington Redskins

00:30:13.076 --> 00:30:18.002
back in the day. You know, they, they, they, they tore it up.Um, and that, that, that

00:30:18.112 --> 00:30:20.312
was the, the start of move slow

00:30:20.952 --> 00:30:24.052
because you had to in order to maintain any kind of resistance.

00:30:24.392 --> 00:30:26.172
If you move fast, the resistance was gone.

00:30:27.092 --> 00:30:31.152
Um, and when, when I l- first got on that Keiser and I'm thinking like Nautilus

00:30:31.612 --> 00:30:34.982
moves slow to maintain resistance, and now I can... You know, in, in

00:30:35.012 --> 00:30:39.352
the old days, you could put somebody on Keiser and almost be able to predict

00:30:39.752 --> 00:30:41.972
which mass b- device they were working with

00:30:42.052 --> 00:30:43.192
in the, in the trade

00:30:43.232 --> 00:30:47.092
show room. You say, "Oh, you're working on Paramount, aren't you?" Or, "You're over on

00:30:47.112 --> 00:30:49.052
Nautilus. You're over on this."

00:30:49.352 --> 00:30:52.132
Because they all had the little bit different speeds, and people,

00:30:53.112 --> 00:30:59.352
you know, I call it compliance hardware. There's a number of things. But their bodies would comply to the velocity

00:30:59.392 --> 00:31:00.072
the machine could

00:31:00.132 --> 00:31:03.161
move at. I didn't want that comp-

00:31:03.412 --> 00:31:06.592
compliance. I wanted a velocity-based compliance.

00:31:08.312 --> 00:31:09.352
Doesn't mean you move fast.

00:31:10.452 --> 00:31:13.232
As Ty's pointed out, it means you move with intent to move fast.

00:31:15.112 --> 00:31:15.352
Right.

00:31:15.672 --> 00:31:15.822
And-

00:31:16.372 --> 00:31:18.032
You'll still move faster, but yeah.

00:31:18.932 --> 00:31:20.492
Randy, I'm thinking about,

00:31:20.612 --> 00:31:23.072
uh, you and Willie Banks

00:31:23.112 --> 00:31:23.532
together.

00:31:24.292 --> 00:31:25.952
Uh, you introducing this calf

00:31:26.052 --> 00:31:32.192
press, uh, to Willie Banks, and obviously credited that for, uh, some of the success that he h- success

00:31:32.232 --> 00:31:32.342
that

00:31:32.352 --> 00:31:32.852
he had.

00:31:33.492 --> 00:31:33.712
Um,

00:31:34.172 --> 00:31:38.812
what kind of programming, I mean, were you doing? I'm trying to do, like, a deep dive into that, into,

00:31:38.852 --> 00:31:43.052
into those sessions and into that training, uh, with the calf brace and Willie, just, like, what did that look

00:31:43.132 --> 00:31:44.992
like, uh, from a, from a, a pro-

00:31:45.272 --> 00:31:45.872
uh, exercise

00:31:46.632 --> 00:31:48.152
per- Well, remember, he was coming

00:31:48.212 --> 00:31:53.782
off injury, you know? And so, and, and, and he ended up having an injury. The injury prevented him from

00:31:53.852 --> 00:31:54.172
medaling

00:31:54.192 --> 00:31:59.672
in the Olympic Games, um, because Willie had to make a decision that summer whether he went and made money

00:31:59.692 --> 00:32:05.652
for his family by competing in Europe, or he stayed and trained and we continued working it, and then we

00:32:05.692 --> 00:32:07.172
got him ready for, for Seoul.

00:32:07.912 --> 00:32:08.132
Um,

00:32:09.592 --> 00:32:12.072
and he had to make the right, he had to make the decision for money, and it was

00:32:12.152 --> 00:32:13.412
the, the appropriate decision.

00:32:14.102 --> 00:32:14.372
Uh,

00:32:15.072 --> 00:32:15.912
it wasn't v- it

00:32:16.012 --> 00:32:20.512
wasn't all that difficult because in the beginning it was

00:32:20.952 --> 00:32:21.932
based on,

00:32:22.212 --> 00:32:29.152
um, anatomical adaptation, just getting those tissues back to being close to normal.

00:32:29.652 --> 00:32:33.432
You know, so it j- it was very simply three sets or four sets of 12 to 15.

00:32:34.392 --> 00:32:35.012
You know, and then

00:32:35.052 --> 00:32:39.772
later on, once we got that, then it was coming down to three by 10, and then we'd get to

00:32:39.832 --> 00:32:42.901
three by eight, and then we'd go back down to four, and we'd go to four, and we'd go four

00:32:42.992 --> 00:32:44.032
by four, four by six.

00:32:44.412 --> 00:32:46.572
Because Willie only had two impulses,

00:32:47.492 --> 00:32:49.252
and only one impulse on each leg,

00:32:50.012 --> 00:32:50.052
you

00:32:50.092 --> 00:32:52.112
know? So he only had to sustain that

00:32:52.492 --> 00:32:56.032
with one leg at a time. So he had a hop landing, a step landing,

00:32:56.212 --> 00:32:59.392
and then he's in the pit. So he only had those two

00:32:59.552 --> 00:33:01.352
really powerful,

00:33:02.272 --> 00:33:05.152
uh, forces to overcome, you know? And, and in, in the hop

00:33:05.212 --> 00:33:10.072
landing, it can be anywhere between 15 to 30 times your body weight

00:33:10.132 --> 00:33:16.172
on one leg. And if you've ever seen the d- the documentation, you can see that

00:33:16.212 --> 00:33:16.942
the soleus,

00:33:17.272 --> 00:33:21.971
uh, really is about 8X versus 3 to 5X on the gastroc

00:33:22.132 --> 00:33:25.112
in terms of body weight. And so that soleus has to be that much

00:33:25.121 --> 00:33:28.112
stronger, and nobody was exercising it. You never

00:33:28.192 --> 00:33:28.572
saw,

00:33:29.652 --> 00:33:32.332
um, you never saw C2 calves.

00:33:33.952 --> 00:33:34.992
And yeah, Willie used to, I

00:33:35.002 --> 00:33:35.252
mean,

00:33:36.152 --> 00:33:39.972
uh, every football player, Trace Armstrong, you introduced Trace to

00:33:40.012 --> 00:33:41.992
Keiser, introduced Trace on how

00:33:42.032 --> 00:33:42.772
to use Keiser

00:33:43.172 --> 00:33:45.082
post-game. You know, what to do

00:33:45.552 --> 00:33:51.992
prior to the game, obviously, at the post-game. Eddie McCaffrey, same thing. The Broncos working with those guys

00:33:52.072 --> 00:33:52.252
off

00:33:52.292 --> 00:33:55.172
the field, uh, away from that. That, of course

00:33:55.232 --> 00:33:59.012
the, the, the team didn't like that very much at the time. That was pretty much frowned

00:33:59.052 --> 00:34:01.042
upon back then. Today, it's like the

00:34:01.112 --> 00:34:01.412
norm,

00:34:01.772 --> 00:34:07.052
you know? Guys go work out with their trainers and then they come back. Um, but back then that didn't

00:34:07.092 --> 00:34:12.632
happen. It was you worked out in the facility, but the facility had no Keiser. So I had to bring

00:34:12.672 --> 00:34:14.232
the guys out and then bring them back

00:34:14.312 --> 00:34:17.072
in. And that

00:34:17.132 --> 00:34:21.252
was, uh, frowned upon, to say the least.

00:34:21.871 --> 00:34:23.152
And you don't get, you don't ingrace

00:34:23.192 --> 00:34:25.032
yourself to strength coaches when

00:34:25.072 --> 00:34:26.972
you do that. Not that you're trying to be a

00:34:27.012 --> 00:34:33.112
dick, uh, but you know, you're doing what you think is best for the athletes.

00:34:33.212 --> 00:34:35.022
Um, and

00:34:35.052 --> 00:34:40.952
then when the athletes started seeing, and the coaches, strength coaches, started seeing their bench press go

00:34:41.072 --> 00:34:44.022
up, their squats getting better, and yet they weren't in the

00:34:44.032 --> 00:34:47.012
gym with them, and they were not just going up a little bit, but they were

00:34:47.052 --> 00:34:49.911
going up a lot, they went,

00:34:50.022 --> 00:34:52.992
"Well, what's going on?" And fortunately,

00:34:53.132 --> 00:34:53.992
with the Broncos,

00:34:54.351 --> 00:34:56.812
um, strength coach there,

00:34:57.072 --> 00:35:02.152
Rich Tutun, was the guy that brought Keiser into North Carolina early on

00:35:02.192 --> 00:35:02.932
back in the '80s.

00:35:03.352 --> 00:35:06.052
So he had some experience, but his experience wasn't very

00:35:06.092 --> 00:35:12.482
positive, meaning he never learned how to use it. He put it over in another area for somebody and never

00:35:12.492 --> 00:35:14.212
thought of it as a max strength piece.

00:35:15.352 --> 00:35:17.252
"You don't, you can't get stronger on that stuff."

00:35:17.772 --> 00:35:17.972
What, are

00:35:18.012 --> 00:35:18.572
you kidding me?

00:35:19.312 --> 00:35:21.102
You know? "You can't get more

00:35:21.192 --> 00:35:23.152
powerful on that." Now I know you're kidding

00:35:23.212 --> 00:35:24.092
me. You know?

00:35:24.752 --> 00:35:25.092
You know, "There's

00:35:25.112 --> 00:35:25.792
no eccentric."

00:35:26.392 --> 00:35:28.142
Seriously? I mean, the, these

00:35:28.532 --> 00:35:30.052
myths, these misconceptions

00:35:31.292 --> 00:35:31.512
were,

00:35:31.712 --> 00:35:32.932
were prevalent

00:35:33.052 --> 00:35:34.072
throughout the

00:35:34.112 --> 00:35:34.972
industry at that time.

00:35:36.052 --> 00:35:40.362
And, and, and, and that, you know, with the Broncos was late, I mean, that was in the '90s,

00:35:41.132 --> 00:35:42.872
but that sh- that's still

00:35:43.072 --> 00:35:46.142
20 years or almost 20 years after I had started using

00:35:46.192 --> 00:35:49.041
it. And, and so what you're

00:35:49.112 --> 00:35:53.232
faced with the facts that you see and observe as a coach

00:35:54.332 --> 00:35:54.652
with

00:35:55.692 --> 00:35:57.312
what other people haven't observed

00:35:57.692 --> 00:36:00.012
or felt and, and when Ty finally

00:36:00.112 --> 00:36:01.952
started using it and started feel... I

00:36:02.032 --> 00:36:04.032
mean, we had, we had some conversations

00:36:04.172 --> 00:36:04.992
there throughout

00:36:05.092 --> 00:36:08.032
those years that were, you, you could, you could

00:36:08.332 --> 00:36:09.012
s- For me,

00:36:09.052 --> 00:36:12.952
it was, it was fun because there were little epiphanies he

00:36:13.012 --> 00:36:16.632
had along the way that I'd had as well earlier

00:36:16.752 --> 00:36:21.122
on, and it was just fun to see those epiphanies come out. And

00:36:21.212 --> 00:36:25.616
he sought, he sought to validate everything.You

00:36:25.636 --> 00:36:25.756
know,

00:36:27.416 --> 00:36:31.356
I, I, I, I sought validation, but I accepted a lev- a level

00:36:31.836 --> 00:36:34.116
underneath his validation as validation

00:36:34.556 --> 00:36:36.976
for something I'd already been doing and had been validated on

00:36:37.036 --> 00:36:40.046
for 20 years. And, and I didn't need that validation,

00:36:40.096 --> 00:36:42.016
but he did. And to his credit,

00:36:42.076 --> 00:36:45.336
he went and found it. And, and, and that has

00:36:45.536 --> 00:36:53.106
helped the company be validated even greater than it was before. I mean, before it was people taking

00:36:53.116 --> 00:36:53.346
my

00:36:53.356 --> 00:36:56.136
word for it or Dennis's or somebody else's.

00:36:56.996 --> 00:37:00.176
And, um, it takes a pretty strong person

00:37:00.216 --> 00:37:04.106
to do that. Now you've got outside validation and,

00:37:04.116 --> 00:37:08.196
and that, uh, that's something you can use

00:37:09.116 --> 00:37:10.236
to help people understand.

00:37:11.616 --> 00:37:16.005
Ty's heard me say this, and I've got the data here somewhere. I've gotta look it up. But,

00:37:16.036 --> 00:37:16.996
you know, when we first started

00:37:17.056 --> 00:37:21.916
working with Sue, his ground contact times were about .9, .09.

00:37:22.036 --> 00:37:24.416
You know, I mean, they were,

00:37:24.536 --> 00:37:24.876
um,

00:37:26.016 --> 00:37:26.996
pretty slow, to be

00:37:27.016 --> 00:37:29.076
honest. But by the time we were done

00:37:29.795 --> 00:37:29.876
a

00:37:30.015 --> 00:37:32.136
year later, not done, but a year

00:37:32.176 --> 00:37:34.776
later, he'd gone from

00:37:35.176 --> 00:37:42.956
760 watts on the Seated Calf to 2,400 watts, and now he's close to 3,000 at a 70-kilo

00:37:43.056 --> 00:37:45.996
guy. And his ground contact times

00:37:46.036 --> 00:37:51.176
went, were the fastest ever recorded by Ralph Mann in a .074, .073,

00:37:52.036 --> 00:37:57.386
or somewhere r-right in there. A- And I have the te- the testing here. But that's

00:37:57.416 --> 00:37:59.056
incredible- Yeah

00:37:59.066 --> 00:38:04.376
... to be able to make that kind of change in ground contact time in, o-over

00:38:04.416 --> 00:38:06.026
a year. And that is

00:38:06.056 --> 00:38:08.126
the Seated Calf. I mean, that's

00:38:08.126 --> 00:38:08.246
the...

00:38:08.746 --> 00:38:09.956
There's no other

00:38:10.016 --> 00:38:15.686
explanation for it, um, because his running mechanics were already refined by the time we were able to finally get

00:38:15.736 --> 00:38:18.986
that in. Yeah,

00:38:19.016 --> 00:38:25.246
absolutely. So we've had this kind of, uh, historical perspective of, you know, the Arthur Jones, uh, Nautilus days,

00:38:25.676 --> 00:38:29.196
and then kind of moving away from that, especially in sport performance. You know, commercial space

00:38:29.236 --> 00:38:32.946
still kind of staying there for a while, but really- ... the sport performance. space moving to

00:38:33.016 --> 00:38:36.896
these, "Hey, we do ground base. We're mimicking everything that's happening in- sport. We're on our

00:38:37.016 --> 00:38:41.076
feet." Um, and I think even to this day, you' s- you. still feel,

00:38:41.556 --> 00:38:43.236
uh, no pun intended, that resistance

00:38:43.276 --> 00:38:46.316
towards, uh, machines, especially in the, in the sport performance

00:38:46.356 --> 00:38:50.166
space. So, uh, Ty, my question to you, and Randy, feel free to add in afterwards,

00:38:50.216 --> 00:38:51.976
is, well, how are we' combating that even

00:38:52.016 --> 00:38:56.196
today, right? You've had this transformation of yourself over the period of time, and now it's backed

00:38:56.216 --> 00:38:56.696
by research.

00:38:57.176 --> 00:39:02.626
But now, you' know, let's move forward another 15, 16 years, and you're still having some of those c- those

00:39:02.656 --> 00:39:05.056
same conversations, uh, that Randy was alluding to are still

00:39:05.096 --> 00:39:05.716
happening today.

00:39:06.536 --> 00:39:09.896
Well, um, that, that, Gabe, that's probably a, a

00:39:10.036 --> 00:39:13.136
question that, I mean, there's a lot to that. But

00:39:13.736 --> 00:39:14.056
let me

00:39:14.196 --> 00:39:18.056
start by... I'll start at the 60,000-foot view,

00:39:18.156 --> 00:39:21.036
right? Bodybuilders train

00:39:21.116 --> 00:39:25.396
muscles. Powerlifters train movements,

00:39:25.806 --> 00:39:27.216
and athletes train movement

00:39:27.296 --> 00:39:27.696
patterns,

00:39:28.396 --> 00:39:33.056
okay? So we' have that, right? Like, i- if you. looked at a bodybuilding workout, they would go

00:39:33.136 --> 00:39:34.936
in and they're just trying to get their biceps

00:39:35.016 --> 00:39:38.956
bigger. Uh, they do leg extensions 'cause they're developing on- the

00:39:39.016 --> 00:39:46.056
quads. It plays a role in sports performance, or let's just say performance in general in the health clubs, right?

00:39:47.136 --> 00:39:47.236
Uh,

00:39:47.596 --> 00:39:53.096
we look at powerlifters, and they're trying to get good at deadlifts, they're trying to get good at squatting,

00:39:53.136 --> 00:39:54.116
and they're trying to get good at

00:39:54.136 --> 00:39:59.216
bench press. Now let's look at sport and how sport draws down into the commercial

00:39:59.256 --> 00:40:01.146
market about the ability

00:40:01.196 --> 00:40:05.196
to move, okay? So we're trying to improve movement patterns.

00:40:05.296 --> 00:40:08.056
In sport, we're trying to use

00:40:08.096 --> 00:40:15.296
the weight room, and let's keep it to very generic terms. There are situations where you wanna get better at

00:40:15.356 --> 00:40:21.046
movem- you wanna get better at exercises, and there are situations where you need bigger muscles. But for the most

00:40:21.076 --> 00:40:24.036
part, we use the weight room to develop skills

00:40:24.556 --> 00:40:25.996
that transfer to the field

00:40:26.056 --> 00:40:28.176
of play, whether it is

00:40:28.976 --> 00:40:29.356
running,

00:40:30.076 --> 00:40:31.196
whether it's jumping,

00:40:31.556 --> 00:40:36.116
whether it's lateral movement patterns in multi-directional sports.

00:40:37.276 --> 00:40:41.036
We use running that is trying to transfer to get better in

00:40:41.056 --> 00:40:45.396
the field of play. And you're asking, how does this work in the commercial space, right, and how do we

00:40:45.435 --> 00:40:50.796
combat this? Is, is that I think when we use the term performance,

00:40:51.476 --> 00:40:58.016
people only think of athletics. But life is a journey that the quality of life and your ability

00:40:58.056 --> 00:40:59.216
to function is gonna

00:40:59.256 --> 00:41:02.516
determine how your movement patterns,

00:41:03.516 --> 00:41:03.916
um,

00:41:04.976 --> 00:41:06.156
work through the entirety

00:41:06.196 --> 00:41:12.476
of your life. And we now know, the research is out, that fr- even from a performance perspective,

00:41:13.236 --> 00:41:21.116
I mean, the study came out, what, a year ago, that there's really not any difference between

00:41:21.156 --> 00:41:26.196
something like a leg press and a squat when we look at overall transfer to sport.

00:41:26.996 --> 00:41:29.416
From a holistic perspective, yes,

00:41:29.876 --> 00:41:30.996
a squat is more

00:41:31.056 --> 00:41:36.076
technical. How... You gotta ask yourself the question, do I squat? It's my number

00:41:36.176 --> 00:41:42.676
one, exercise, without a doubt. I love to squat. That's a personal preference in the way I write training. Do

00:41:42.836 --> 00:41:44.056
I like Olympic lifting?

00:41:44.076 --> 00:41:48.216
Absolutely. Takes up about 33%, because I'm a throws coach.

00:41:49.176 --> 00:41:54.936
I use Olympic lifting holistically to help develop movement patterns in the Olympic lift that are very

00:41:55.056 --> 00:41:57.056
similar to the throws, very similar to the

00:41:57.116 --> 00:41:59.956
jumps. I use it specifically for the rate of

00:42:00.016 --> 00:42:04.236
force development, okay? I don't use Olympic lifts to try to develop power,

00:42:05.276 --> 00:42:05.516
okay?

00:42:06.016 --> 00:42:11.416
I use Olympic lifting for rate of force development. I think the biggest thing that we need to get across

00:42:11.456 --> 00:42:12.276
in performance

00:42:12.376 --> 00:42:17.036
is people don't really understand force velocity profiles.

00:42:17.396 --> 00:42:18.136
They don't understand

00:42:18.236 --> 00:42:25.076
force velocity curves. And they know this, but they get away from a sti- the, uh, implementation

00:42:25.116 --> 00:42:26.996
of a stimulus to get a

00:42:27.056 --> 00:42:32.536
response. And if we look at a strength continuum and look at a force velocity curve, force

00:42:33.276 --> 00:42:35.100
and velocity-Are

00:42:35.120 --> 00:42:39.060
not equal, okay? If you have an increase

00:42:39.100 --> 00:42:41.380
in velocity, if you're not maintaining-

00:42:41.429 --> 00:42:43.260
Mm-hmm ... capabilities, your force

00:42:43.300 --> 00:42:49.540
could go- down. Where we fall into the perspective of is that we have talked about in the commercial market,

00:42:49.600 --> 00:42:51.150
let's talk about older adults,

00:42:51.720 --> 00:42:55.440
is that we need to maintain muscle mass and, and need to maintain our strength.

00:42:55.960 --> 00:43:01.020
But we're missing the picture because strength just tells you the ability to create force, but

00:43:01.060 --> 00:43:02.400
it has no time restriction

00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:03.980
in it, right?

00:43:04.020 --> 00:43:06.020
If a person... Ultimately,

00:43:07.100 --> 00:43:11.960
it's defining the goals of what fitness and performance should be for a person, and you

00:43:12.040 --> 00:43:13.000
have to have the entire

00:43:13.080 --> 00:43:17.100
spectrum, okay? So Randy made a comment about we're getting people

00:43:17.260 --> 00:43:22.080
slower. There's two things that, that we need to

00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:27.940
address on that, is what mechanism, what is the main mechanism that drives strength and its muscle

00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:28.580
activation,

00:43:29.160 --> 00:43:32.480
okay? What's the main mechanism that drives

00:43:33.060 --> 00:43:38.020
half of power and the majority of limb velocity is, um,

00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:42.150
is rate coding or the frequency of the nervous system to move fast.

00:43:42.780 --> 00:43:48.580
So when we say that, I think there's two things that, that we address when people don't employ

00:43:49.020 --> 00:43:51.070
power and speed into their resistance

00:43:51.180 --> 00:43:57.940
program, is that we know that to maximize muscle activation, it's about 80% of a 1RM, which is

00:43:58.040 --> 00:44:02.300
where the vast majority of people have lived for the vast majority

00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:09.430
of their time, okay? It, it really, it lives in that sector. What happens is, it's not that you're getting

00:44:09.460 --> 00:44:13.130
so strong, you end up with one, is we end up with chronic overuse syndrome,

00:44:13.700 --> 00:44:21.060
which is using the same resistance and the same movement patterns repetitively over time that causes a dysfunction of the

00:44:21.080 --> 00:44:26.180
profiring mechanisms of all the muscles around the hip. For example, if we're using squats where people

00:44:26.220 --> 00:44:29.120
get tight, they start getting anterior pelvic

00:44:29.160 --> 00:44:33.140
tilt, uh, from overusing mass for squatting, which is a very good

00:44:33.180 --> 00:44:37.180
movement. But you're not addressing, especially with

00:44:37.240 --> 00:44:40.160
people who are not very diversified

00:44:40.220 --> 00:44:47.289
in their training, meaning strength coaches that just rely on strength training and they're not doing plyometrics, they're not doing

00:44:47.380 --> 00:44:53.680
max velocity training, is that athletes aren't getting the stimulus to increase,

00:44:54.460 --> 00:44:55.229
uh, rate coding.

00:44:56.640 --> 00:45:02.260
It is. So the mechanisms are different. One is about the frequency of the activation of the muscle

00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:04.000
fiber, and one is about the recruitment of

00:45:04.080 --> 00:45:09.980
the muscle fiber. So their overall methodology that starts in sport transfers to

00:45:10.060 --> 00:45:10.870
everywhere else.

00:45:11.720 --> 00:45:20.240
So a workout plan is a stimulus, and you're trying to get a chronic outcome of adaptation,

00:45:21.680 --> 00:45:22.000
okay?

00:45:22.620 --> 00:45:22.880
So

00:45:23.820 --> 00:45:28.040
we're missing it in sports performance. They're trying to do it through other mechanisms. They're trying to

00:45:28.060 --> 00:45:29.090
say, "Well, it, it's not

00:45:29.120 --> 00:45:36.060
functional." All functional means is that whatever you're doing in the weight room in sport, whatever you're doing

00:45:36.100 --> 00:45:38.100
in life, is transferring to an improvement

00:45:38.140 --> 00:45:44.600
in performance. And I think that, that we have a real big misconception

00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:47.300
that just getting strong is the answer.

00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:50.300
The answer is not to get strong. The answer

00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:52.300
is power,

00:45:53.100 --> 00:46:00.880
and power is gonna be basically force times velocity. And I've been in a multitude of performance centers,

00:46:01.020 --> 00:46:06.980
professional and collegiate, and I ask the simple question is what, how do you get watts? Right? How do

00:46:07.100 --> 00:46:10.000
you... If you're determining and you're looking at power, we're all using

00:46:10.040 --> 00:46:14.160
Tendo's, and how do I increase my watts?

00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:24.090
And it's, and basically it's taking, you got 100 kilos, you convert it to newtons, it's 980 newtons. Gravitational acceleration,

00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:26.180
9.8 times 100, it's 980.

00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:31.300
If I move at one meter per second, which is velocity, I create 980 watts.

00:46:32.060 --> 00:46:37.000
So if I weigh 100 pounds, I mean 100 kilos, and I wanna get more powerful, I have

00:46:37.040 --> 00:46:37.120
to

00:46:37.180 --> 00:46:44.080
move faster. But we're confined to gravity in life, and so

00:46:44.140 --> 00:46:50.060
is mass. We're confined to that, so every stimulus that we're putting on the body,

00:46:50.180 --> 00:46:52.319
let's say for a leg press.

00:46:53.720 --> 00:46:55.259
When I do a body weight squat,

00:46:55.880 --> 00:46:58.070
I'm confined to 100 kilos if that's

00:46:58.100 --> 00:47:05.560
what I weigh. I can now get on pneumatics and put the resistance less than my body weight and put

00:47:05.620 --> 00:47:11.340
a stimulus on the body that is less than I feel every day in life,

00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:17.740
which is a huge stimulus because where do we get that in sport? It's very hard to get that in

00:47:17.780 --> 00:47:23.160
sport. So if we wanna improve the commercial space,

00:47:24.160 --> 00:47:30.080
the number one priority is for people to understand that it's not just about strength and it's not just about

00:47:30.100 --> 00:47:30.840
hypertrophy.

00:47:31.780 --> 00:47:38.720
It's about the culture of our fitness industry and the culture of older adult communities

00:47:39.300 --> 00:47:46.000
and the culture of, in general, to let them understand that if you just wanna put on muscle mass and

00:47:46.040 --> 00:47:46.170
get

00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:52.240
strong, you're gonna, you're gonna be better than you were before. But if we have a quest

00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:54.300
to be the best versions of ourselves,

00:47:55.040 --> 00:47:58.050
then we need to be able to stop arguing about

00:47:58.100 --> 00:48:04.920
these methods, okay? My method is I do X, Y, and Z. Let's get to the basic concepts of what

00:48:05.060 --> 00:48:09.320
drives performance. Drive, driving performance is

00:48:09.380 --> 00:48:12.200
being, like I said on injury prevention,

00:48:12.700 --> 00:48:14.400
it's about being able

00:48:14.940 --> 00:48:15.260
to

00:48:15.780 --> 00:48:19.160
overcome forces regardless of the velocity at all different

00:48:19.200 --> 00:48:25.080
angles. I don't wanna get into arguing about whether leg press is better than squats, 'cause at the end

00:48:25.100 --> 00:48:26.300
of the day, that's a method.

00:48:26.980 --> 00:48:31.170
What I'm interested in is how do we get, do what we do in the weight room,

00:48:32.160 --> 00:48:40.276
what do we do through exercise that improves people lives down the road? And it's no different. The outcomes-Are dependent

00:48:40.316 --> 00:48:45.116
on what you're trying to do. If I'm trying to be more active in my 60s into my 70s,

00:48:45.336 --> 00:48:50.436
I want a balanced approach of limb velocity, power, and overall strength.

00:48:51.056 --> 00:48:54.616
And a deficiency in either one of those is gonna reduce performance.

00:48:55.296 --> 00:48:59.306
And the idea that if we just get in the gym, if we're a couch potato,

00:49:00.006 --> 00:49:02.976
no matter what we do, we're improving our

00:49:03.036 --> 00:49:09.696
metric for health, right? So the first step is get people moving. The second step is we have to have

00:49:09.706 --> 00:49:15.166
a strength foundation to build all other things under. But while you're building a strength foundation, you also

00:49:15.196 --> 00:49:21.096
have to be working on the velocity side to make sure that your body's able to utilize that increased force

00:49:21.136 --> 00:49:23.596
to move at high velocities, which

00:49:23.656 --> 00:49:28.056
has parameters that go well, probably more important for older adult

00:49:28.116 --> 00:49:36.086
communities and for the w- the wellbeing of people that are using the commercial space and exercise. So it's, it's

00:49:36.156 --> 00:49:39.016
not an easy... It's probably harder.

00:49:39.396 --> 00:49:41.256
It's gonna be a harder task

00:49:42.316 --> 00:49:43.096
to go in

00:49:43.996 --> 00:49:47.136
with the general public in a commercial setting like a health club,

00:49:48.036 --> 00:49:50.096
and to be able to explain the

00:49:50.136 --> 00:49:55.316
benefits because they're coming in with a much different background.

00:49:56.036 --> 00:50:02.356
If we thought it was hard to go into human performance and get this narrative across,

00:50:02.696 --> 00:50:08.036
we have a completely harder task to go in to optimize

00:50:08.136 --> 00:50:13.996
performance. Uh, I looked at a research study. Almost 90% of people that go into a health club are just

00:50:14.056 --> 00:50:16.036
trying to build muscle mass and lose body fat,

00:50:17.016 --> 00:50:17.196
right?

00:50:17.716 --> 00:50:17.936
And

00:50:18.036 --> 00:50:18.696
it's, um,

00:50:19.176 --> 00:50:19.776
the, the,

00:50:20.196 --> 00:50:20.456
the,

00:50:22.456 --> 00:50:25.206
the, the- ... mentality of people,

00:50:26.076 --> 00:50:30.036
until you get in your 50s and until you get in your 60s, is your body is

00:50:30.056 --> 00:50:30.256
gonna

00:50:30.316 --> 00:50:32.296
quit on you at some point.

00:50:32.936 --> 00:50:39.436
And what can we do as a company, what can we do as Keiser. to get people to stop arguing

00:50:39.496 --> 00:50:40.976
over what exercise they

00:50:41.016 --> 00:50:45.016
need to be doing, and start focusing on. the movement patterns

00:50:45.576 --> 00:50:50.926
that are gonna be important for a person to perform at a high level in the later years of

00:50:51.016 --> 00:50:51.156
their

00:50:51.176 --> 00:50:51.516
life?

00:50:52.536 --> 00:50:54.036
Th- that, that's it. I mean,

00:50:54.096 --> 00:50:58.216
if- Yeah. If you get strong, powerful, and move fast, you're not gonna have a problem

00:50:58.256 --> 00:51:04.376
with body mass. Yeah. So i- it's a complete... Gabe, it's a complete method. It's a complete

00:51:04.436 --> 00:51:10.016
shift. Like, if you ask a guy in his 20s and 30s, "I wanna jack steel and get strong.

00:51:10.336 --> 00:51:11.036
Like, I wanna look

00:51:11.076 --> 00:51:13.076
good on the beach." Um,

00:51:13.516 --> 00:51:16.096
the methodology of why we' do

00:51:16.176 --> 00:51:18.256
fitness and why fitness,

00:51:18.356 --> 00:51:23.296
cardio, cardio, um, vascular exercise through increasing your VO2

00:51:23.336 --> 00:51:30.036
max, through not just being strong and keeping muscle mass, but the ability to have quality movement patterns, which

00:51:30.046 --> 00:51:32.096
is exactly what Randy said we do

00:51:32.136 --> 00:51:39.636
in. our warmup, is we're looking at' movement patterns. Um, and do I- believe you have to train at power?

00:51:39.656 --> 00:51:42.076
My personal understanding is you don't actually have to train

00:51:42.176 --> 00:51:49.396
power, 'cause it's physically impossible not to get... If you maintain your overall strength, if you meet a minimum criteria

00:51:49.456 --> 00:51:51.016
for strength and you continue to get

00:51:51.056 --> 00:51:52.056
faster, it

00:51:52.116 --> 00:51:55.216
is, from a physics perspective, from a mathematical

00:51:55.256 --> 00:51:59.016
perspective, it is physically impossible not

00:51:59.056 --> 00:52:00.996
to get more powerful. And

00:52:01.176 --> 00:52:03.396
it's, it's, it's changing

00:52:04.556 --> 00:52:06.836
the culture of what are

00:52:07.016 --> 00:52:12.976
health clubs, and it's changing the culture of what the objective is when you go into a health

00:52:13.036 --> 00:52:17.116
club over improving the performance of the individuals that come

00:52:17.156 --> 00:52:21.096
in there. And I feel like we're at a competitive advantage

00:52:21.196 --> 00:52:24.976
because we have the ability not to be limited

00:52:25.016 --> 00:52:31.496
by velocity, meaning we don't have a motor that doesn't have the capability to create the amount of power it

00:52:31.556 --> 00:52:34.116
needs to overcome the velocities that we wanna

00:52:34.156 --> 00:52:38.916
move at. We place less stress on- the joint- ... because we're not overcoming,

00:52:39.136 --> 00:52:41.176
um, inertia.

00:52:41.996 --> 00:52:45.456
Um, and regardless of that strength continuum,

00:52:45.936 --> 00:52:47.255
whether it goes from

00:52:48.216 --> 00:52:51.396
full out strength, which is high forces, low velocity,

00:52:51.976 --> 00:52:54.996
to absolute speed, which is moving as fast as the human

00:52:55.076 --> 00:52:58.056
body can do, we, we have the ability to

00:52:58.496 --> 00:53:03.016
work in that spectrum in a safe level, uh, and your body takes less collateral

00:53:03.036 --> 00:53:10.176
damage. Um, but it's a methodology. It's not about, you know, is this machine better than that machine, because

00:53:10.216 --> 00:53:13.036
you're missing the po- Once you get to the fact whether

00:53:13.516 --> 00:53:15.096
a tricep push down is better

00:53:15.136 --> 00:53:16.946
than a dip, you're missing the

00:53:17.096 --> 00:53:20.076
point. You're too focused on the method,

00:53:20.446 --> 00:53:25.056
and you're not focused enough on the concept of we need

00:53:25.136 --> 00:53:27.576
to be- ... working on the entire strength continuum.

00:53:28.596 --> 00:53:31.196
To give some historical perspective on this and,

00:53:31.736 --> 00:53:31.956
um,

00:53:32.856 --> 00:53:34.036
you know, when I was with Keiser? in

00:53:34.056 --> 00:53:37.056
the first go-around, uh, we teamed up,

00:53:37.576 --> 00:53:43.296
and, and Keiser, and, and, and Ty's seen all the research there, but we teamed up with Tufts in Maryland.

00:53:44.376 --> 00:53:44.736
And

00:53:45.356 --> 00:53:47.036
initially it was

00:53:47.716 --> 00:53:50.056
what does, how, wh- what will strengths do

00:53:50.536 --> 00:53:50.876
to

00:53:51.436 --> 00:53:52.396
80 to 90-year-olds,

00:53:52.976 --> 00:53:53.016
you

00:53:53.056 --> 00:53:55.076
know? The, uh, there, there was no power involved

00:53:55.136 --> 00:53:55.296
yet.

00:53:56.096 --> 00:53:57.056
And, you know,

00:53:57.396 --> 00:53:57.456
and

00:53:57.816 --> 00:53:58.956
it, it just enhanced their

00:53:59.016 --> 00:54:00.176
lives so much.

00:54:01.416 --> 00:54:03.136
Then after a couple years,

00:54:03.756 --> 00:54:06.336
I'm having this conversation with Maria

00:54:06.396 --> 00:54:08.176
and Mim, and

00:54:08.316 --> 00:54:11.896
I'm saying, "You know, you, you guys need to start moving towards what power ha-

00:54:12.096 --> 00:54:14.336
what happens with power in the life."

00:54:14.976 --> 00:54:15.256
And,

00:54:16.056 --> 00:54:17.076
and I- don't even know if

00:54:17.136 --> 00:54:18.956
they ever actually published

00:54:19.036 --> 00:54:20.256
that, but Mim

00:54:20.296 --> 00:54:23.996
took that to... That she started int- integrating that

00:54:24.076 --> 00:54:24.456
into

00:54:25.016 --> 00:54:27.016
her research at, at Tufts.

00:54:28.356 --> 00:54:28.616
And,

00:54:28.716 --> 00:54:28.806
uh,

00:54:30.096 --> 00:54:33.056
you know, her, her conversations back and forth with me

00:54:33.136 --> 00:54:34.276
were, were

00:54:35.016 --> 00:54:41.264
pretty telling because she was starting to see real interesting lifestyle changes in those people that were-And

00:54:41.284 --> 00:54:43.064
these were older people. I' mean, these were people

00:54:43.184 --> 00:54:43.993
that, you

00:54:44.004 --> 00:54:45.004
know, pretty much

00:54:45.064 --> 00:54:47.044
were in wheelchairs s- prior

00:54:47.084 --> 00:54:47.644
to starting

00:54:48.044 --> 00:54:51.064
the program with them. And, and, and I think

00:54:51.084 --> 00:54:57.824
today when you look at somebody who's been very successful with that group, not ne-necessarily

00:54:58.084 --> 00:54:58.824
just the commercial

00:54:59.344 --> 00:55:03.064
everybody, but with that later group is Paul Holbrook in Salt Lake

00:55:03.124 --> 00:55:03.974
City. You

00:55:04.004 --> 00:55:09.964
know, Paul has run that program for years and years and years, and he's incredibly successful

00:55:10.004 --> 00:55:12.184
with it. And, and, and his

00:55:12.224 --> 00:55:12.524
people,

00:55:13.344 --> 00:55:15.244
you know, are thriving

00:55:15.324 --> 00:55:17.284
on power. Not

00:55:17.344 --> 00:55:19.044
training power, but creating

00:55:19.144 --> 00:55:20.124
power. Getting

00:55:20.184 --> 00:55:21.024
that greater

00:55:21.034 --> 00:55:26.694
power in their life. 'Cause they're act- that's an active lifestyle over there. You know, they're skiers, they're bikers. They're

00:55:26.704 --> 00:55:30.924
in their 80s biking. They're in their 80s going up to Park City. They're still doing all these

00:55:31.004 --> 00:55:34.264
life activities. And, and the same thing here in Sun Valley

00:55:34.304 --> 00:55:41.524
where I am. And, and it's one of the reasons why I'm currently trying to get, uh, um, Rick together

00:55:41.564 --> 00:55:46.103
with Oliver here, because there's a large group of people here that are very, very

00:55:46.204 --> 00:55:51.284
active and would benefit from w- everything

00:55:52.004 --> 00:55:52.224
Guy-

00:55:52.564 --> 00:55:53.964
Ty just said. And

00:55:54.104 --> 00:55:56.014
he's absolutely right.

00:55:56.564 --> 00:56:00.024
You know, in, in the early '90s when, when we were looking at this and s- and

00:56:00.404 --> 00:56:02.084
the whole focus on Keiser, went

00:56:02.124 --> 00:56:06.124
to seniors, and you're putting, you know, all of the senior homes

00:56:06.184 --> 00:56:06.924
around the country,

00:56:07.544 --> 00:56:10.044
uh, so many of them were putting Keiser? in for their exercise

00:56:10.124 --> 00:56:10.364
rooms.

00:56:11.204 --> 00:56:14.414
Um, you know, Colin Milner, who does the,

00:56:14.414 --> 00:56:14.484
the,

00:56:15.324 --> 00:56:15.524
um,

00:56:16.124 --> 00:56:20.224
Current magazine, uh, you know, he was involved. He was the guy behind

00:56:20.284 --> 00:56:21.984
all of that and pushing

00:56:22.024 --> 00:56:24.984
it. And that's why he broke away from Keiser and went into his

00:56:25.044 --> 00:56:25.444
own thing.

00:56:26.304 --> 00:56:29.084
But, you know, when you can' get people to

00:56:29.144 --> 00:56:31.074
understand that,

00:56:31.444 --> 00:56:32.084
yeah, it's still

00:56:32.144 --> 00:56:34.994
strength first, you know, and particularly when you're

00:56:35.044 --> 00:56:39.144
not fit, you know. But, once you get to a certain point,

00:56:40.584 --> 00:56:45.074
and, you're talking about hiking, running, cross-country skiing,

00:56:45.264 --> 00:56:51.364
skate skiing. I. mean, these people kick my butt, and they're 75 and 80 years old, out on the cross-country

00:56:51.444 --> 00:56:53.784
ski trail. Now mind you, there's about

00:56:54.084 --> 00:56:58.004
60 Olympians, uh, half of them Nordic skiers here in, in

00:56:58.184 --> 00:57:01.264
the valley. So when I get beat by a 75-year-old

00:57:01.344 --> 00:57:03.124
woman, she's already been,

00:57:03.284 --> 00:57:06.144
you know, and, and has been skiing for 50 years

00:57:06.464 --> 00:57:07.004
and is a former

00:57:07.044 --> 00:57:07.564
Olympian.

00:57:08.084 --> 00:57:13.684
So it's th- But they don't know that they can improve

00:57:14.704 --> 00:57:17.984
their, their own ability still. As Ty

00:57:18.024 --> 00:57:21.064
put it, they think that it's just a slow decline.

00:57:22.244 --> 00:57:25.244
Well, it is a slow decline, but it doesn't have to be that decline

00:57:26.034 --> 00:57:31.144
.. It can be this decline, you know? And if you get yourself utilizing

00:57:31.944 --> 00:57:32.484
Keiser

00:57:32.904 --> 00:57:34.104
in the m- and, and, and,

00:57:34.184 --> 00:57:36.074
and get that

00:57:36.184 --> 00:57:38.964
rate coding up to where

00:57:39.004 --> 00:57:42.164
it should be, I'm gonna change your life.

00:57:43.904 --> 00:57:45.064
Literally change your life.

00:57:46.884 --> 00:57:47.004
So-

00:57:47.964 --> 00:57:52.954
Yeah. Thank you both. And we, we talked a lot now about kinda the history of Keiser and,

00:57:53.004 --> 00:57:59.704
and taking a historical perspective of the moments leading up, uh, to now and today. So my question, and it's

00:57:59.744 --> 00:58:03.034
open-ended to the both of you, is, uh, where do we go from

00:58:03.084 --> 00:58:04.164
here? What does the future

00:58:04.224 --> 00:58:07.064
have in store, you know, for, for training moving

00:58:07.124 --> 00:58:07.404
forward?

00:58:09.304 --> 00:58:12.924
Well, Ty, I suppose you can probably cover this better than I can. But

00:58:13.164 --> 00:58:17.224
I think that... 'Cause I haven't had a chance to see some of the newer stuff,

00:58:17.364 --> 00:58:19.964
but I'm a metrics

00:58:20.024 --> 00:58:23.064
guy. I'm also somebody who uses

00:58:23.084 --> 00:58:26.964
the weight room, specifically uses the weight room to

00:58:27.064 --> 00:58:30.004
gain certain advantages

00:58:31.464 --> 00:58:33.224
through whether it's power or strength,

00:58:33.804 --> 00:58:35.084
and then I use other tools...

00:58:35.144 --> 00:58:38.074
Excuse me. I use other tools

00:58:39.264 --> 00:58:40.064
to integrate

00:58:41.184 --> 00:58:43.044
that power and strength into the technical

00:58:43.524 --> 00:58:44.064
s-skill model

00:58:44.104 --> 00:58:49.604
that I may have. Um, you know, I-I'll use the 1080, I'll use sleds, I'll use activator belts, I use

00:58:49.664 --> 00:58:52.364
Exergen. I use other things to help athletes,

00:58:52.764 --> 00:58:54.044
uh, integration, integrate

00:58:54.244 --> 00:58:56.964
or, you know, as I said earlier, I, I call it compliance

00:58:57.023 --> 00:58:57.413
hardware,

00:58:58.004 --> 00:58:59.144
um, that help them

00:58:59.784 --> 00:59:01.224
groove their movements

00:59:01.544 --> 00:59:02.184
when they can't

00:59:02.244 --> 00:59:05.204
feel them. When they can't find

00:59:05.824 --> 00:59:07.264
where their wrist is

00:59:07.844 --> 00:59:07.964
in

00:59:08.084 --> 00:59:11.184
space and time, if you overload that wrist just a little

00:59:11.204 --> 00:59:12.984
bit, they can find that wrist in

00:59:13.024 --> 00:59:13.784
space and time,

00:59:14.144 --> 00:59:16.044
or that leg or that thigh.

00:59:16.584 --> 00:59:16.764
Um,

00:59:17.204 --> 00:59:18.144
and, and, and that

00:59:18.264 --> 00:59:23.264
is, that speeds up the coaching role because it gives them immediate

00:59:23.304 --> 00:59:26.054
feedback. And that's why I like, I like

00:59:26.104 --> 00:59:33.024
the FT and, and, and the PT free- because it, they are immediate feedback mechanisms too, uh, for certain movement

00:59:33.084 --> 00:59:37.034
skills. Um, particularly when we're doing running drills,

00:59:37.724 --> 00:59:39.124
attaching an, ankle,

00:59:39.924 --> 00:59:42.164
uh, attachment in, in, in the,

00:59:42.264 --> 00:59:42.984
uh, on

00:59:43.024 --> 00:59:44.024
the FT. You know,

00:59:44.364 --> 00:59:45.064
they feel where

00:59:45.104 --> 00:59:45.744
their foot is.

00:59:46.324 --> 00:59:49.184
Finally, they get it. They get how out of position

00:59:49.224 --> 00:59:52.004
it is, and now they can put it back into position.

00:59:52.584 --> 00:59:52.854
And

00:59:53.444 --> 00:59:55.374
then they, then they start to feel efficiency,

00:59:55.884 --> 00:59:57.064
then they start to get mechanical

00:59:57.104 --> 00:59:58.964
efficiency, and which is what you're

00:59:59.044 --> 01:00:08.724
really after is trying to get the movement pattern or mechanical efficiency at its op- and optimizing mechanical efficiency. And,

01:00:08.764 --> 01:00:10.004
you know, once you

01:00:10.164 --> 01:00:13.274
have that, and T-Ty's heard me say this before,

01:00:14.544 --> 01:00:17.084
I will set the tactical model first and then

01:00:17.144 --> 01:00:22.144
train the model. So I'm looking at the movement patterns to the best

01:00:22.184 --> 01:00:28.304
of their ability, then I will refine the movement patterns with compliance hardware. And, and

01:00:28.644 --> 01:00:30.224
the, the movement patterns themselves

01:00:30.644 --> 01:00:31.084
have to be,

01:00:31.544 --> 01:00:32.264
have to also

01:00:32.624 --> 01:00:34.164
be trained

01:00:34.724 --> 01:00:38.184
in the weight room. Not specific movement patterns, but the general movement

01:00:38.224 --> 01:00:40.084
patterns. And then you get to fine-tune

01:00:40.104 --> 01:00:44.104
it when you come out of there and, and use that compliance hardware

01:00:44.204 --> 01:00:48.004
to, uh, to, to achieve that specific sport skill,

01:00:48.044 --> 01:00:54.048
if you wish. Yeah, I think we're at a crossroads. I'm gonna take a little different approach than Randy

01:00:54.108 --> 01:00:58.008
does this. Well, I didn't f- I didn't finish that up because I figured you were gonna go-

01:00:58.218 --> 01:01:00.068
Oh, go ahead. No, no, you were, you were g- I know where you're gonna

01:01:00.108 --> 01:01:05.048
go, I think, and so it's like, no, you need to... This is your game right now, and it's best

01:01:05.108 --> 01:01:06.468
for you to discuss it.

01:01:06.508 --> 01:01:14.328
Yeah. And I, I'm just, I'm just making this comment based on being in a multitude of different facilities

01:01:14.388 --> 01:01:15.248
with different people

01:01:15.328 --> 01:01:17.948
who are at the cusp of

01:01:18.008 --> 01:01:23.968
technology. And I feel like we're in a crossroads, I say, because I think

01:01:24.088 --> 01:01:29.068
we have, with the amount of data that we now have the ability

01:01:29.108 --> 01:01:34.068
to gather, I mean, look, Randy used, um, the Omega Wave on

01:01:34.148 --> 01:01:41.478
me, I mean, before anybody that I knew of was using it, right? We were ahead of the technology

01:01:41.608 --> 01:01:44.068
curve. We were understanding how to use technology.

01:01:45.628 --> 01:01:50.008
Compare that back to 2002 to where we are now, the amount of data

01:01:50.018 --> 01:01:52.988
that we can get is off the

01:01:53.088 --> 01:01:57.928
chart. Every facility, they're in some type of data capturing

01:01:58.028 --> 01:02:03.358
mode. Uh, I feel like we're at a crossroads because now instead of using

01:02:05.088 --> 01:02:07.028
these metrics and this data

01:02:07.728 --> 01:02:08.008
as a

01:02:08.088 --> 01:02:09.988
tool, they're using it as

01:02:10.048 --> 01:02:10.708
a solution.

01:02:11.588 --> 01:02:17.188
So I say we're in the crossroads now because we're gonna have to come back to all the things

01:02:17.268 --> 01:02:21.308
that Randy and I have talked about. Where I think the future

01:02:21.368 --> 01:02:30.608
is going is that we're gonna be able to use artificial intelligence models to be able to look at an

01:02:30.748 --> 01:02:39.068
athlete from a physical perspective, a movement pattern perspective. We're gonna be able to do diagnostics on mental competency. Uh,

01:02:39.108 --> 01:02:41.848
we're gonna be able to predict deficiencies.

01:02:42.768 --> 01:02:43.048
But

01:02:44.768 --> 01:02:50.208
I think we're a long ways from that because there's... It's really hard to take

01:02:50.348 --> 01:02:57.068
out reading body language. I'm, I'm pulling back things that Randy talked about that I really place value

01:02:57.168 --> 01:03:02.428
on, on, on looking at a person, how they move, looking in their eyes, knowing

01:03:03.848 --> 01:03:09.048
where they are mentally, all of these things that takes a human touch, all of these things

01:03:09.128 --> 01:03:16.928
that being in... And I don't wanna use war because there should be no comparison between sport and war, but

01:03:17.008 --> 01:03:20.308
it's like you've gotta have the right person in your foxhole

01:03:20.368 --> 01:03:24.068
with you. And I feel like as, as sports is

01:03:24.108 --> 01:03:31.868
performing, we're kind of moving away from that. A- and that's why I said we're at a crossroad. So I

01:03:31.908 --> 01:03:35.288
think the people who are gonna move human performance farther

01:03:35.788 --> 01:03:39.348
are gonna be able to grasp all the intangibles and,

01:03:40.088 --> 01:03:40.368
um,

01:03:40.688 --> 01:03:42.968
gonna be able to grasp the soft skills

01:03:43.028 --> 01:03:49.208
of coaching, uh, and they're gonna be able to use artificial intelligence as a means

01:03:49.368 --> 01:03:54.128
to look at core hearts of people to understand what drives performance from

01:03:54.148 --> 01:03:59.088
those things, and we're gonna be able to get a much better glimpse

01:03:59.928 --> 01:04:03.048
of, of how we develop and how we become

01:04:03.248 --> 01:04:04.368
more, become

01:04:04.428 --> 01:04:10.248
healthier. Uh, I just hope that we don't get away from the foundational pillars,

01:04:11.448 --> 01:04:14.328
whether it's sports performance or the foundational pillars

01:04:14.368 --> 01:04:23.108
of health. Don't over-drink, don't smoke, don't be chronically, don't be obese. Make sure you're moving, that you're maintaining resistance

01:04:23.188 --> 01:04:25.208
training and cardiovascular exercise,

01:04:25.708 --> 01:04:26.018
and make

01:04:26.068 --> 01:04:34.648
sure we're sleeping. Uh, those are gonna be your bedrocks for longevity. And, and people's athletic careers are so short,

01:04:34.668 --> 01:04:38.108
and we place so much focus on, on this athletic thing,

01:04:38.928 --> 01:04:40.048
um, but it goes back to

01:04:40.088 --> 01:04:40.748
your why.

01:04:41.468 --> 01:04:42.068
Uh, I

01:04:42.108 --> 01:04:49.108
think we, we need to do a better job in our organizations to get people moving on to the second

01:04:49.148 --> 01:04:50.348
chapters of their lives,

01:04:51.048 --> 01:04:57.028
uh, and really focusing on the pillars that will make them productive throughout a lifetime, and, um,

01:04:57.228 --> 01:05:00.288
that's why I think we're at a crossroads. But definitely everything

01:05:01.448 --> 01:05:07.238
that I'm seeing is going through the utilization of technology. I just hope we don't get away from the interpersonal

01:05:07.388 --> 01:05:09.108
skills that relationships are built

01:05:09.148 --> 01:05:10.927
on. Ultimately, at the end of the

01:05:11.028 --> 01:05:14.148
day, ultimately, at the end of the day,

01:05:14.828 --> 01:05:22.428
it's gonna be the relationship with the coach, the trust, the communication that's gonna provide, um, success.

01:05:22.468 --> 01:05:28.968
That, that, that's my opinion on it. Um, and I also hope that this technological revolution doesn't get us away

01:05:28.988 --> 01:05:29.098
from

01:05:29.128 --> 01:05:34.068
the pillars, because if we look at it from two feet before we look at it from 60 feet,

01:05:34.168 --> 01:05:36.328
you're gonna miss a lot in the process.

01:05:37.708 --> 01:05:37.948
Yeah.

01:05:38.088 --> 01:05:40.008
I mean, y- you know, we're getting a lot of

01:05:40.068 --> 01:05:43.128
people who are decision-makers who are not

01:05:44.348 --> 01:05:47.048
able to do anything but look from 60,000 feet.

01:05:48.108 --> 01:05:51.088
They don't know how to look from two feet. The, the opposite problem.

01:05:51.648 --> 01:05:53.898
You know, they don't know how to see the

01:05:54.008 --> 01:05:57.048
athlete as a person, to see the athlete

01:05:57.128 --> 01:06:00.208
for who they are. Instead, they see the athlete as a number,

01:06:00.788 --> 01:06:02.168
as a statistic or

01:06:02.188 --> 01:06:04.228
whatever, which may or may not

01:06:04.968 --> 01:06:06.148
reflect their actual

01:06:06.248 --> 01:06:08.368
value, whether it be on the field

01:06:08.428 --> 01:06:10.088
or, uh, in the event,

01:06:10.168 --> 01:06:11.948
whatever it may be. And

01:06:12.028 --> 01:06:12.328
I think,

01:06:14.288 --> 01:06:17.108
um, Ty's right. W-

01:06:17.188 --> 01:06:17.848
without a doubt,

01:06:18.568 --> 01:06:18.728
w- we're...

01:06:19.108 --> 01:06:20.008
You know, I

01:06:20.328 --> 01:06:27.128
was very fortunate probably to be pretty far ahead of the game in technology from, you know, Omega Wave

01:06:27.168 --> 01:06:29.058
to Dartfish to, um,

01:06:29.888 --> 01:06:32.048
being, using heart rate monitors back in the '80s.

01:06:32.788 --> 01:06:33.468
Uh,

01:06:33.488 --> 01:06:35.278
you know, uti- utilizing different,

01:06:35.768 --> 01:06:38.068
different tools along the way. You know,

01:06:38.408 --> 01:06:39.468
first 1080s,

01:06:40.108 --> 01:06:40.118
uh,

01:06:40.488 --> 01:06:40.498
I

01:06:40.528 --> 01:06:43.238
was user number one on Omega Wave in the United States,

01:06:43.928 --> 01:06:45.108
brought Dartfish into USA

01:06:45.168 --> 01:06:45.828
Track and Field.

01:06:46.488 --> 01:06:46.628
You know,

01:06:47.208 --> 01:06:56.272
those, having that vision to say, "Here's a tool that can help us make them better"Then that's a good tool.

01:06:56.752 --> 01:06:57.972
But if that tool's just there

01:06:58.032 --> 01:06:59.192
to, to just

01:06:59.972 --> 01:07:00.172
do

01:07:00.232 --> 01:07:02.812
metrics, because, I mean, like in

01:07:03.032 --> 01:07:05.292
soccer, they have so much data,

01:07:05.672 --> 01:07:06.112
football

01:07:06.172 --> 01:07:08.252
now, collecting so much data,

01:07:09.592 --> 01:07:12.322
and some of it's really cool. As a spectator,

01:07:12.792 --> 01:07:17.052
it's really cool to see some of that, they're moving at this velocity and this many change of directions

01:07:17.092 --> 01:07:17.162
and

01:07:17.192 --> 01:07:17.832
da, da, da, da.

01:07:18.752 --> 01:07:24.362
I, but I, I, I do believe that we have to be really careful that we don't lose humanity

01:07:25.012 --> 01:07:26.172
amongst the technology.

01:07:26.212 --> 01:07:28.972
And, you know, that goes back for me

01:07:29.212 --> 01:07:31.012
to the late '60s,

01:07:31.052 --> 01:07:34.002
early '70s, and, and, and a number of books

01:07:34.072 --> 01:07:35.152
were written back

01:07:35.172 --> 01:07:37.152
then warning us

01:07:38.152 --> 01:07:45.032
to be careful about, um, technology overco- uh, you know, overtaking the

01:07:45.072 --> 01:07:46.832
humanness of, of,

01:07:47.112 --> 01:07:49.192
of who we are

01:07:49.272 --> 01:07:52.952
in society. And, uh, I, I think

01:07:53.032 --> 01:07:55.002
we can, w- we can be very fearful of

01:07:55.032 --> 01:07:56.072
that at this point

01:07:56.812 --> 01:07:57.092
and, and,

01:07:57.192 --> 01:07:58.492
and understand

01:07:59.352 --> 01:07:59.771
that

01:08:01.732 --> 01:08:03.952
it, it affects us in m- many areas of our lives.

01:08:04.052 --> 01:08:08.352
But certainly in the sports world, we have to be really careful, and Ty is absolutely

01:08:08.392 --> 01:08:08.592
right

01:08:09.312 --> 01:08:15.132
a- about this. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it boils down to kind of this whole discussion, and really

01:08:15.172 --> 01:08:16.122
the name of this podcast

01:08:16.131 --> 01:08:19.212
is you can't forget it's not just performance, this is human

01:08:19.232 --> 01:08:21.051
performance. Um, and I think both

01:08:21.072 --> 01:08:25.232
of you- Yeah. -hit on that. You, you hit on, um, you know, from an early,

01:08:25.551 --> 01:08:32.212
early age, you both had these super impactful experiences that were human experiences with a coach,

01:08:32.892 --> 01:08:34.192
and we can't lose sight

01:08:34.232 --> 01:08:40.022
of that now and in the future, regardless of what's happening from a technology standpoint. Yeah. So I think

01:08:40.091 --> 01:08:40.912
that's fantastic.

01:08:41.532 --> 01:08:47.402
Um, just a few questions here, uh, a couple quick hitters, uh, just to finish up, uh, this episode,

01:08:47.812 --> 01:08:48.072
which has

01:08:48.112 --> 01:08:48.862
been, uh,

01:08:49.171 --> 01:08:53.011
awesome, awesome so far. Um, some fun personal questions. I'm gonna try to

01:08:53.032 --> 01:08:54.992
keep them a little bit quick, um, if you guys

01:08:55.011 --> 01:09:00.091
are ready for that. So outside of coaching, Ty, I'm gonna start with you, what are some hobbies or interests,

01:09:00.492 --> 01:09:01.992
uh, that you have that people might be

01:09:02.032 --> 01:09:08.232
surprised to learn about? Well, I think the biggest thing, the people who know me well know that I still

01:09:08.292 --> 01:09:10.112
compete, um, in,

01:09:10.591 --> 01:09:10.872
in

01:09:11.532 --> 01:09:12.171
team roping.

01:09:12.652 --> 01:09:15.952
Um, my h- my kids and my family, we live on a

01:09:16.011 --> 01:09:20.152
ranch in Oklahoma. Uh, everything revolves around really my

01:09:20.212 --> 01:09:26.912
kids, um, and rodeo, and then I still compete myself, so that's probably my biggest passion that

01:09:27.011 --> 01:09:30.011
I have right now. Randy?

01:09:31.832 --> 01:09:32.032
Um,

01:09:33.912 --> 01:09:34.072
I'm

01:09:34.992 --> 01:09:35.312
having...

01:09:36.142 --> 01:09:38.112
Semi-retired, I'm discovering

01:09:39.072 --> 01:09:39.301
what,

01:09:39.912 --> 01:09:41.112
what to do with my time.

01:09:41.912 --> 01:09:45.492
And a- anybody who was entering retirement,

01:09:47.112 --> 01:09:52.051
a- a- and I'll probably never totally retire, but, you know, you're redefining who you are and what you're gonna

01:09:52.112 --> 01:09:52.232
do

01:09:52.312 --> 01:09:56.972
every day. Maybe you do that in, in life anyways, but in retirement, you're no

01:09:57.072 --> 01:10:00.132
longer, you no longer have the structure.

01:10:01.992 --> 01:10:04.112
Y- y- you know, structure from what you were doing as a job,

01:10:04.192 --> 01:10:06.052
as a profession, and now you have to create

01:10:06.092 --> 01:10:09.292
your own structure, uh, that's different than what your structure

01:10:09.352 --> 01:10:12.052
was before. So in my case,

01:10:12.232 --> 01:10:16.152
it's trying to figure out how to motivate myself to go to the gym.

01:10:16.832 --> 01:10:16.972
You know,

01:10:17.252 --> 01:10:21.082
I'm a senior by definition age-wise, but not necessarily

01:10:21.392 --> 01:10:22.632
a- otherwise.

01:10:22.672 --> 01:10:27.092
You know, getting out on the bike, mountain biking, mountain biking, cross-country skiing,

01:10:27.152 --> 01:10:29.152
alpine skiing, doing the outdoor

01:10:29.292 --> 01:10:30.972
stuff that, you know, I was

01:10:31.092 --> 01:10:33.092
limited to do, from doing,

01:10:33.392 --> 01:10:35.022
one, financially, and two,

01:10:35.152 --> 01:10:35.792
time-wise.

01:10:36.472 --> 01:10:40.252
Um, and then travel. Uh,

01:10:42.052 --> 01:10:43.992
I'm still looking for the significant

01:10:44.032 --> 01:10:45.042
other, you

01:10:45.092 --> 01:10:50.001
know. I mean, that's pretty funny to say at this age but, you know, you go through a lot

01:10:50.032 --> 01:10:54.372
of time where you're, you're not in, you're not in relationship with someone.

01:10:54.452 --> 01:10:58.281
You, y- you wanna share this life with people.

01:10:58.752 --> 01:11:03.172
Ty's very fortunate with a great wife and children, and to have that family

01:11:03.292 --> 01:11:03.692
structure

01:11:04.352 --> 01:11:06.832
and, and to val- and to value it

01:11:07.032 --> 01:11:09.012
as he should, uh, so greatly.

01:11:09.632 --> 01:11:09.832
Um,

01:11:11.372 --> 01:11:14.052
to me that's a, that's something that I miss, something I do

01:11:14.071 --> 01:11:15.842
regret, and something that

01:11:16.052 --> 01:11:21.252
I hopefully maybe one day? will have some of it, you know? Uh, but in the, meantime,

01:11:21.312 --> 01:11:21.952
it's about health

01:11:22.752 --> 01:11:24.992
really. I mean, coming out of China after nine and

01:11:25.012 --> 01:11:29.032
a half years, you can hear this cough. This is a Beijing

01:11:29.112 --> 01:11:32.392
cough. I'm not sick. I've had this cough since I left Beijing,

01:11:32.972 --> 01:11:34.992
and, and trying to get rid of it is

01:11:35.052 --> 01:11:35.692
not easy.

01:11:36.312 --> 01:11:38.652
Um, and I wore a mask every day.

01:11:38.672 --> 01:11:42.972
You know, when, when this whole COVID thing came, wearing a mask was no big deal. I was already masked

01:11:43.052 --> 01:11:43.212
up,

01:11:43.792 --> 01:11:43.972
um,

01:11:44.412 --> 01:11:46.012
'cause I, I hated the pollution.

01:11:46.672 --> 01:11:46.892
Um,

01:11:48.012 --> 01:11:49.182
so it is,

01:11:50.312 --> 01:11:52.252
you know, writing, I wanna find,

01:11:53.292 --> 01:11:57.082
you know, because, I' look at' coaching in such an artistic way,

01:11:57.132 --> 01:11:59.002
as well, and, an' expression

01:11:59.032 --> 01:12:03.032
of yourself, then so I wanna find something else. I know a lot of coaches have gone into

01:12:03.072 --> 01:12:05.972
the arts. You know, Gary Winkler makes these incredible

01:12:06.092 --> 01:12:06.572
saddles.

01:12:07.192 --> 01:12:07.432
I mean,

01:12:08.392 --> 01:12:10.092
gorgeous. I mean, he is an,

01:12:10.492 --> 01:12:11.332
he is an artisan

01:12:11.852 --> 01:12:12.072
without

01:12:12.112 --> 01:12:12.452
a doubt.

01:12:13.132 --> 01:12:15.392
Um, Rhett Estes,

01:12:15.472 --> 01:12:17.052
you know, has b- turned into

01:12:17.712 --> 01:12:19.992
a great metalworker artist that

01:12:20.052 --> 01:12:22.152
sells his art all over the country

01:12:22.192 --> 01:12:22.372
now.

01:12:23.032 --> 01:12:26.942
Um, the guy at Idaho, used to be at Colorado State, is a painter.

01:12:27.232 --> 01:12:32.092
I mean, the, the, people, coaches, they find different ways to express this, this passion,

01:12:32.912 --> 01:12:33.992
and, I'm still looking

01:12:34.032 --> 01:12:37.012
for that one. Quite frankly, I'm in pursuit

01:12:37.092 --> 01:12:40.932
of that. All right. Well, we're excited to see what you come up with. Uh, no

01:12:41.052 --> 01:12:41.272
doubt,

01:12:41.592 --> 01:12:42.892
you know- You would always- ... you're great at it.

01:12:43.032 --> 01:12:43.112
So,

01:12:43.492 --> 01:12:45.052
uh, can't wait to follow up

01:12:45.072 --> 01:12:48.972
with you on' that. Hopefully, may- you know, may- who knows? Buy a, a piece of art from you one

01:12:49.012 --> 01:12:50.112
day. Yeah. Um,

01:12:51.172 --> 01:12:52.192
you just haven't gotten started

01:12:52.212 --> 01:12:54.012
yet. No. So- No, I haven't.

01:12:55.292 --> 01:12:55.312
Y-

01:12:55.822 --> 01:12:58.072
you, you're, you're the best artist ever, you just haven't started.

01:12:58.392 --> 01:12:58.512
Yeah.

01:12:58.612 --> 01:12:58.852
Um,

01:12:59.332 --> 01:13:01.928
so you both-... are,

01:13:02.088 --> 01:13:06.948
are well traveled. Uh, uh, very well traveled. Obviously coaching, uh, y- you've been very fortunate. It's

01:13:07.008 --> 01:13:08.368
taken you to some really great places.

01:13:09.048 --> 01:13:09.338
Favorite

01:13:09.348 --> 01:13:11.188
place you've been to outside

01:13:11.208 --> 01:13:15.008
of the States? For me? Wild

01:13:15.068 --> 01:13:16.178
card. Switzerland.

01:13:16.198 --> 01:13:18.308
We'll go with wild card here. Without a doubt. Switzerland

01:13:18.348 --> 01:13:20.828
without a doubt. Yeah. It's, it's,

01:13:21.028 --> 01:13:23.028
you know... I spent two summers in

01:13:23.088 --> 01:13:28.028
Bern. Love the area, love the nature, love the mountains, love what it

01:13:28.108 --> 01:13:28.428
is..

01:13:29.308 --> 01:13:35.428
Um, you know, I, I obviously have lived- I, I've been, I think I counted, about 112

01:13:35.488 --> 01:13:35.908
countries,

01:13:37.168 --> 01:13:37.968
you know, over

01:13:38.008 --> 01:13:38.408
the years.

01:13:39.108 --> 01:13:40.988
And, uh, that's

01:13:41.048 --> 01:13:46.218
a lot of places to visit, you know? And, and, and there's been a lot of really cool places. But

01:13:46.308 --> 01:13:47.908
I think if I had to,

01:13:48.068 --> 01:13:52.148
I would look at, at, at Switzerland as that place, that other place

01:13:52.208 --> 01:13:52.688
besides

01:13:53.168 --> 01:13:58.848
here in Idaho, where, you know, you could be... You could have a ranch like Ty- has down the street

01:13:58.908 --> 01:14:01.048
here, you know, you could be up in the mountains

01:14:01.088 --> 01:14:04.048
in a log cabin. You could be in suburbia over

01:14:04.108 --> 01:14:08.008
here. Um, you know, you just have the multitude of

01:14:08.208 --> 01:14:13.048
various, um, things. This is one of the most beautiful parts of the United States

01:14:13.108 --> 01:14:13.448
up here.

01:14:14.108 --> 01:14:14.968
Um, and,

01:14:15.068 --> 01:14:16.408
and, and I'm fortunate

01:14:16.428 --> 01:14:17.048
e- enough

01:14:17.108 --> 01:14:18.068
to live here

01:14:18.148 --> 01:14:25.028
now, so. Yeah, I mean, it, it's really hard for me because to me, there's no place

01:14:25.108 --> 01:14:29.008
like home. Uh, there's not anywhere that' I've ever traveled that

01:14:29.108 --> 01:14:33.328
I would wanna live, to be. quite honest with you. There's been some very beautiful parts.

01:14:34.008 --> 01:14:39.078
Uh, the one place that I' found the. most peace, which is really important for me, so it's never

01:14:39.148 --> 01:14:40.988
gonna be a city, because there's not a

01:14:41.008 --> 01:14:47.048
s- a... I, I would say Spain, if I had to pick another country that, I feel like the lifestyle

01:14:47.108 --> 01:14:48.028
that I wanna live,

01:14:48.628 --> 01:14:52.988
uh, Spain has a lot to offer. But the most peace that I've ever felt

01:14:53.068 --> 01:14:59.048
was when I lived in Finland, in Kortenay. Uh, that was really a place that, uh, wide

01:14:59.128 --> 01:14:59.448
open,

01:15:00.188 --> 01:15:00.758
a very,

01:15:01.108 --> 01:15:04.188
um, diverse population. Um,

01:15:04.988 --> 01:15:06.068
I, I think that, that

01:15:06.108 --> 01:15:06.548
Finland,

01:15:07.148 --> 01:15:08.148
um, parts

01:15:08.208 --> 01:15:08.708
of Finland,

01:15:09.268 --> 01:15:13.088
um, I did get into cross-country skiing in the winter and it wasn't nearly as bad

01:15:13.128 --> 01:15:14.128
as I thought it would be.

01:15:14.868 --> 01:15:18.988
Uh, and, and not the most beautiful places I've ever been. Like Randy said, when you're in the

01:15:19.008 --> 01:15:21.198
Swiss Alps or you're places like that. But,

01:15:21.708 --> 01:15:29.988
uh, I'm very, very fortunate that I live in a place where no place I visit am I dreading

01:15:30.028 --> 01:15:31.468
coming home.

01:15:32.748 --> 01:15:33.168
That's awesome.

01:15:33.928 --> 01:15:34.048
Um,

01:15:34.688 --> 01:15:34.748
all

01:15:34.768 --> 01:15:40.338
right. Two more quick questions here. The 100 meter champion in, uh, 2024 Olympics will be from which country?

01:15:42.588 --> 01:15:44.028
Hm. Men- let's go men's, then,

01:15:44.068 --> 01:15:48.088
women's. It's a tough

01:15:48.148 --> 01:15:48.268
one,

01:15:49.368 --> 01:15:54.288
um, because right now, there's one person coaching

01:15:54.868 --> 01:15:56.068
two guys that could probably win

01:15:56.108 --> 01:15:58.828
that gold. And

01:16:00.828 --> 01:16:01.648
it depends...

01:16:04.048 --> 01:16:06.008
I mean, I'm gonna probably have to, say the 100 meters for

01:16:06.048 --> 01:16:06.988
women, probably

01:16:07.048 --> 01:16:07.488
USA.

01:16:08.568 --> 01:16:09.208
Uh, 200

01:16:09.228 --> 01:16:12.028
for women, probably Jamaica.

01:16:13.728 --> 01:16:18.268
Um, unless that, that female in the United States changes coaches,

01:16:18.968 --> 01:16:20.028
um, but, you wouldn't do it.

01:16:20.088 --> 01:16:20.248
now.

01:16:21.008 --> 01:16:24.228
Uh, 100 meters, very

01:16:24.268 --> 01:16:26.998
likely, uh, the, Italian will make it back, if

01:16:27.008 --> 01:16:28.928
he's healthy. But otherwise,

01:16:29.028 --> 01:16:31.088
it'll be a US kid. Yeah.

01:16:33.328 --> 01:16:34.257
Ty, any opinions

01:16:34.308 --> 01:16:39.728
on that? I have no idea. I don't follow track and field. Yeah. I really, I, I, I could make

01:16:39.808 --> 01:16:40.928
a guess and say, "Oh, it'll be

01:16:41.028 --> 01:16:44.248
two American" Yeah. I mean, I, I, I would like to- It'd be a good guess,

01:16:44.328 --> 01:16:44.988
too, you know?

01:16:45.468 --> 01:16:49.188
Um, you know, I don't know. We- Yeah ... we support a lot of track and field

01:16:49.248 --> 01:16:57.108
coaches. Um, you know, Rayna is- Yeah ... been somebody who's worked with Randy and has been somebody that's, uh...

01:16:57.508 --> 01:17:01.048
I would always put my money on Rayna if he's coaching somebody, and I would

01:17:01.108 --> 01:17:02.528
like to see him be successful,

01:17:03.048 --> 01:17:08.288
uh, but I don't follow the sport. Um, I, I don't have... I don't get into any sport

01:17:08.328 --> 01:17:12.078
in that depth, so I really wouldn't be really educated to make a guess on

01:17:12.128 --> 01:17:13.088
that. Ty-

01:17:13.128 --> 01:17:15.228
is now. Ty- It, it's, it- ... Ty's a college football fan.

01:17:15.808 --> 01:17:15.988
Yeah,

01:17:16.108 --> 01:17:16.998
but it- Yeah, college

01:17:17.128 --> 01:17:20.748
football is my thing ... but it's interest- Yeah, but it's interesting, Gabe, and I don't know if, if Ty's

01:17:20.788 --> 01:17:25.028
like this either, but as much as I've been involved in sport, I am not a sports fan.

01:17:26.568 --> 01:17:28.128
I don't watch sports for fun,

01:17:28.568 --> 01:17:29.158
you know? It's not,

01:17:30.088 --> 01:17:30.198
it's

01:17:30.228 --> 01:17:32.008
not my thing. I do happen to

01:17:32.048 --> 01:17:34.168
like college football, you know. I'm

01:17:34.228 --> 01:17:36.138
from Michigan, you know, so that

01:17:36.188 --> 01:17:38.228
was, you know, an easy

01:17:38.288 --> 01:17:38.488
one.

01:17:39.188 --> 01:17:43.038
Um, uh, and, and I grew up near Ann Arbor, so that

01:17:43.068 --> 01:17:48.128
was pretty much a no-brainer for me, although I, I must admit that I'm not a Harbaugh fan.

01:17:48.888 --> 01:17:52.208
Um- Hey. Well, I was gonna say... Uh, you know, I was gonna say, if you were a Michigan

01:17:52.348 --> 01:17:53.428
fan like myself,

01:17:54.148 --> 01:17:54.318
um,

01:17:54.948 --> 01:17:57.908
then it would've been an easy time to watch and enjoy

01:17:58.028 --> 01:18:00.028
sports. Uh, but

01:18:00.068 --> 01:18:02.268
you are. I, it was.

01:18:02.688 --> 01:18:05.928
I just, I just know what the result was gonna be. Yeah. And, and I

01:18:06.008 --> 01:18:11.248
actually have a, I actually have a kid here. in, in, in Idaho who is looking at Michigan and Oregon,

01:18:11.908 --> 01:18:11.988
and

01:18:12.128 --> 01:18:12.928
I told his dad,

01:18:13.268 --> 01:18:13.488
I said,

01:18:14.488 --> 01:18:16.148
um, "I'd

01:18:16.188 --> 01:18:19.108
go with Oregon, buddy," you know? I'm an Oregon Duck by

01:18:19.148 --> 01:18:19.818
graduation.

01:18:20.588 --> 01:18:23.248
But... 'Cause I don't think you're gonna have the coach.

01:18:23.978 --> 01:18:24.148
So.

01:18:24.368 --> 01:18:27.948
Um, that's- That's- ... well, I, I was gonna say, in the past you could've said, "Well, go

01:18:28.048 --> 01:18:29.028
Big 10," you know? Go

01:18:29.108 --> 01:18:31.988
Big 10. Yeah. I... Yeah. Go Big 10. Just going Big 10. Heck, oh, now, you can

01:18:32.008 --> 01:18:33.168
just go to the Big 10 either way.

01:18:33.748 --> 01:18:35.188
Well, I'm a Michigan grad, so

01:18:35.448 --> 01:18:35.968
you know. Ah.

01:18:36.488 --> 01:18:36.608
No.

01:18:37.068 --> 01:18:41.788
Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, but, um, anyway. Last, last- I love Michigan. You gotta... Yeah, I'm blue and gold,

01:18:41.928 --> 01:18:46.048
believe me. I'm green and gold and blue and gold. Green and yellow- ... and blue and gold.

01:18:46.088 --> 01:18:49.308
But I, um, I, I don't

01:18:49.348 --> 01:18:54.988
like the, the, the jump, the coach, the coaches jumping, and I certainly don't like the transfer

01:18:55.068 --> 01:19:01.468
portal as it is today. I think it's, it's really hurting us in, in college football, in college football specifically

01:19:01.916 --> 01:19:05.036
Well, next, next episode we'll do, we'll talk onl- strictly transfer

01:19:05.096 --> 01:19:05.436
portal.

01:19:06.216 --> 01:19:10.206
Yeah. Um- Well, I mean, I'm looking at, I'm looking at your questions. Did we get through

01:19:10.296 --> 01:19:12.016
everything that-

01:19:13.236 --> 01:19:13.296
Well,

01:19:13.336 --> 01:19:18.016
I, I- I mean- Yeah, I mean, I, I'm curious to know, and, uh, you've had a lot of. experience

01:19:18.096 --> 01:19:23.846
on it, and, uh, Ty, you as well. I'm curious to know, y- just selfishly, your favorite machine that you've

01:19:23.876 --> 01:19:24.116
been able

01:19:24.156 --> 01:19:24.586
to, train on,

01:19:25.296 --> 01:19:27.026
uh, from Keiser. Mine's easiest,

01:19:27.076 --> 01:19:29.996
the rack. I mean, the rack- No, that's, it's-

01:19:30.086 --> 01:19:31.136
... helps. Yeah, I mean,

01:19:32.296 --> 01:19:32.916
you know, it's, it,

01:19:33.056 --> 01:19:35.776
it, it's... Yeah, it's a no-brainer

01:19:36.056 --> 01:19:38.136
on the rack, you know. It, it is because

01:19:38.176 --> 01:19:43.236
it just gives you so much flexibility in the things you can do with it. Yeah, yeah, and, mean- mind

01:19:43.276 --> 01:19:46.076
you, the squat's great, and, the standing hip's great, and the... Every,

01:19:46.156 --> 01:19:51.636
all, there's a... The leg pieces in Keiser are the best in the business. You know, the lower body stuff

01:19:51.676 --> 01:19:54.216
is the best in the business. I don't use the upper body stuff much,

01:19:55.096 --> 01:19:59.096
um, and just because it had never really been accessible to me. Um, when it is, we

01:19:59.136 --> 01:19:59.416
use it,

01:20:00.176 --> 01:20:00.876
uh, but,

01:20:01.216 --> 01:20:03.136
um, I still like the old chest

01:20:03.196 --> 01:20:05.076
press. I wish Dennis would

01:20:05.116 --> 01:20:11.256
bring that one back 'cause I really, really like that thing, and I, and I liked it because I watched,

01:20:11.376 --> 01:20:14.136
uh, Bill Kazmaier not be able to max

01:20:14.176 --> 01:20:15.946
it, and

01:20:16.016 --> 01:20:17.976
that was huge, 'cause

01:20:18.036 --> 01:20:18.456
Kaz

01:20:19.116 --> 01:20:19.856
was pissed,

01:20:20.356 --> 01:20:22.156
you know, that he could not max

01:20:22.216 --> 01:20:26.176
that machine. And, and, and it's not that he couldn't max it. He didn't come anywhere near

01:20:26.216 --> 01:20:29.016
maxing. That's how str- that's how powerful it

01:20:29.056 --> 01:20:32.156
was. You're talking about the stro- at that point, the strongest bench

01:20:32.196 --> 01:20:35.056
presser in the world, you know?

01:20:35.216 --> 01:20:36.816
So yeah,

01:20:37.016 --> 01:20:42.176
there's, uh... The, the rack is that thing that gives you that multifunction,

01:20:42.356 --> 01:20:42.736
and,

01:20:43.516 --> 01:20:43.696
you know,

01:20:44.096 --> 01:20:49.176
we, we do so much with it. And, and to go back a little bit to k- to Ty's comments

01:20:49.256 --> 01:20:49.556
on,

01:20:49.636 --> 01:20:49.776
on

01:20:50.196 --> 01:20:54.996
the Olympic lifts, uh, people have to understand I use the Olympic lifts. I used it in China a

01:20:55.036 --> 01:20:56.136
lot because that's what they were used

01:20:56.176 --> 01:20:58.176
to, but

01:20:58.676 --> 01:21:00.176
you get someone like Wang Zhaonan

01:21:00.236 --> 01:21:00.516
who,

01:21:01.016 --> 01:21:02.136
you know, is 71

01:21:02.236 --> 01:21:04.176
kilos, and he'll

01:21:04.296 --> 01:21:07.686
clean 137 kilos at 2.4,

01:21:08.036 --> 01:21:09.356
2.5 meters per second.

01:21:10.776 --> 01:21:10.976
That's

01:21:11.076 --> 01:21:13.176
rolling for a little bitty

01:21:13.216 --> 01:21:13.556
guy.

01:21:14.496 --> 01:21:18.236
Um, that's a lot of watts to produce,

01:21:18.676 --> 01:21:19.016
you know.

01:21:19.436 --> 01:21:19.525
Uh,

01:21:19.656 --> 01:21:20.816
I mean, a- and

01:21:21.016 --> 01:21:23.106
Su would only do about 110 'cause

01:21:23.116 --> 01:21:28.216
he has a bad wrist, but both of those guys, put them on the squat, and then they're producing over

01:21:28.396 --> 01:21:32.116
4,000 watts at, at, uh, 71, 72

01:21:32.156 --> 01:21:32.576
kilos.

01:21:33.596 --> 01:21:37.036
So, you know... And, and I just love the ability of the

01:21:37.096 --> 01:21:42.436
rack to be able to go not only to squat on it with mass air combo,

01:21:42.516 --> 01:21:48.056
because that, that using the two really sets you apart from anything else in the business,

01:21:48.796 --> 01:21:49.936
but then being able to

01:21:50.016 --> 01:21:51.216
use, uh,

01:21:51.916 --> 01:21:55.956
just air alone on, on, on a lot of reactive jumps in the

01:21:56.016 --> 01:21:56.376
rack.

01:21:57.076 --> 01:22:00.156
Um, one of the things that, that, that I wish we could

01:22:00.176 --> 01:22:02.936
do is to, to take that seat

01:22:03.016 --> 01:22:04.996
that, that... And maybe he's done it now, I don't

01:22:05.036 --> 01:22:05.896
know. Um,

01:22:06.116 --> 01:22:07.116
to take the, the

01:22:07.456 --> 01:22:07.986
seat holder,

01:22:08.236 --> 01:22:08.736
you know, the

01:22:09.136 --> 01:22:12.156
bench holder out of the middle because it gets in the way

01:22:12.236 --> 01:22:12.706
a little bit,

01:22:13.356 --> 01:22:18.756
um, in terms of the free thinking that you have when you're doing jumps and things in there. But yeah,

01:22:18.916 --> 01:22:24.276
we, uh, I, I mean, when you... All the stuff you can do with the rack is in- just incredible.

01:22:24.556 --> 01:22:25.076
And see, I didn't

01:22:25.136 --> 01:22:29.056
have that early on. You know, I didn't... only got to use the rack a lot

01:22:29.696 --> 01:22:34.226
once I went to, went to China. I had it some to play with w- when I was working

01:22:34.256 --> 01:22:34.356
with

01:22:34.376 --> 01:22:38.956
Keiser again, but I didn't have the chance to use the rack like you guys have had. Now, uh, I

01:22:39.076 --> 01:22:40.276
have the last 10 years,

01:22:40.716 --> 01:22:41.136
and we use

01:22:41.196 --> 01:22:41.736
it a lot,

01:22:42.476 --> 01:22:44.956
uh, and, and it's, it, it is a primary piece,

01:22:45.136 --> 01:22:45.296
and

01:22:45.696 --> 01:22:47.016
yeah. I, I'm

01:22:47.116 --> 01:22:51.316
hoping that we see the resistance grow on it, 'cause I think that's necessary.

01:22:52.356 --> 01:22:52.536
Um,

01:22:54.216 --> 01:22:57.025
it's gonna, it's gonna enhance what we're doing even a little bit more. I don't

01:22:57.036 --> 01:22:58.046
know how much it has to grow.

01:22:58.896 --> 01:23:01.976
T- K- Ty probably has some ideas on where it needs

01:23:02.016 --> 01:23:04.036
to go, and people have talked-

01:23:04.736 --> 01:23:05.116
I see it work. I know where

01:23:05.556 --> 01:23:06.136
it's going. You

01:23:06.156 --> 01:23:06.896
know where it's going.

01:23:08.496 --> 01:23:10.996
Um- Yeah ... it, it certainly was a complaint many,

01:23:11.056 --> 01:23:15.056
many years ago. Uh, poor Scott Stapleton was always complaining about it.

01:23:15.216 --> 01:23:17.316
Um, but,

01:23:17.436 --> 01:23:19.076
uh, it, it, it

01:23:19.176 --> 01:23:22.996
certainly has some limitations for some of

01:23:23.036 --> 01:23:24.996
the things we do, but not

01:23:25.056 --> 01:23:25.536
that many.

01:23:26.196 --> 01:23:30.116
Uh, but I love the fact that we can take and

01:23:30.216 --> 01:23:34.576
move... You know, Su could do 185 kilos

01:23:34.616 --> 01:23:39.256
squat, and he, and he could still move it at 1.3, 1.4

01:23:39.276 --> 01:23:42.276
meters per second, which is amazing

01:23:42.336 --> 01:23:46.036
to think about. That's, that's rolling out with that much weight

01:23:46.076 --> 01:23:48.066
on your back. Mm-hmm. But he wasn't afraid

01:23:48.116 --> 01:23:50.036
to move it, because if you put

01:23:50.236 --> 01:23:52.956
60k of air, it can't come off your back. It can't

01:23:53.016 --> 01:23:59.016
fly, you know? And, and, and having a little bit more air would allow that to be even greater. So

01:23:59.156 --> 01:24:02.056
yeah, the rack. Sorry to keep talking about

01:24:02.076 --> 01:24:02.196
it.

01:24:03.136 --> 01:24:05.896
You're good. Awesome. Randy Huntington,

01:24:06.016 --> 01:24:10.416
Ty Sevin, thank you both so much for joining me today on the Keiser Human Performance Podcast.

01:24:11.136 --> 01:24:14.976
Can't wait to go back and re-listen to the episode. Just so much to take in. Reminder, if you

01:24:15.016 --> 01:24:16.066
wanna follow Randy on

01:24:16.096 --> 01:24:21.196
social media, his handle is hunt895wr,

01:24:21.676 --> 01:24:22.216
like world

01:24:22.276 --> 01:24:24.036
record. And if you wanna

01:24:24.096 --> 01:24:30.356
give Ty a follow, you can follow him on Instagram and, uh, find him on social media @tysevin,

01:24:30.656 --> 01:24:33.356
which is T-Y-S-E-V-I-N.

01:24:33.896 --> 01:24:34.076
Thank

01:24:34.096 --> 01:24:35.136
you both. Can't

01:24:35.176 --> 01:24:36.236
wait to talk again

01:24:36.276 --> 01:24:38.236
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01:24:38.296 --> 01:24:44.116
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01:24:44.756 --> 01:24:46.116
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