Krista Popowych & Paco Gonzalez: The World of Indoor Cycling and Cardiovascular Fitness

In this episode of the Keiser Human Performance Podcast, Paco Gonzalez and Krrista Popowych share their global perspective on the evolution of indoor cycling and where the industry is headed next.

They discuss how indoor cycling has grown from a simple studio workout into a dynamic, tech-driven, and highly customizable training experience — blending performance, entertainment, and community. From the impact of metrics like power and FTP to the role of music, coaching, and class design, they break down what truly makes a great ride.

The conversation also explores how technology, education, and global connectivity are shaping the future of fitness — making indoor cycling more accessible, engaging, and personalized than ever before.

Whether you're an instructor, facility owner, or rider, this episode offers valuable insight into how indoor cycling continues to evolve and why it remains a cornerstone of modern fitness.

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Thank you both for being here today.  Paco, I'm gonna start with you. You've

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been all over the world. What's  your favorite place to travel to?

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Home. You see, I'm quick. And for our  listeners that are listening right now,

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where is home for you? Where is home for me? I  mean, I visit in the Canary Island, but I mean

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that that was just a a quick joke. I mean, uh,  wherever you go, you find something special,

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right? I mean home is home because you have your  family around but places where I have been still

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uh Brazil, Japan, US, you know, you always find  time to see the wonders of the universe and the

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wonder of the earth and meet people, right? So  that's very important. That's awesome. Thanks for

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sharing. And Christa, same question for you. Where  do I I live in Vancouver, Canada. And um I I kind

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of echo what Paco said. It is amazing. the world  is so interconnected and the nice thing about

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fitness and everything that we do interconnects  people really easily as well. But um I've had some

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really neat experiences traveling to places like  Iceland and teaching there and you know unique

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places around the world. So I feel very blessed  to be able to share what my passion is which is

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indoor cycling and fitness and to be able to meet  really great people everywhere. Awesome. Well

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noted that neither of your answers were Chicago so  thanks. Um, all right. So, as we move forward now,

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let's talk about the landscape of indoor cycling.  You both have such tremendous experience in this

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space. I'm really excited to dive into this world  with the both of you. Would love to begin by just

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getting your general thoughts on the current state  of indoor cycling and the industry. Christa, would

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you mind starting off? Yeah. Um, you know, I think  it was very interesting prior to the pandemic,

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it was just on the rise. On the rise, we were  seeing boutique markets or boutique studios

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opening everywhere. we were seeing recreation  centers looking at how do I how do we compete

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with the boutiques and the clubs and and so forth.  So I think it was a really interesting time post

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pandemic. It has been a slow growth back to where  we were and it I don't know that it'll necessarily

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ever be the same. Um it certainly is a different  landscape to what it was before but um certainly

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seeing now about class is starting to pick up  especially where I am. It took a little bit of

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time, but actually this last 6 months I've really  noticed an increase in the attendance numbers of

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uh in indoor cycling. Great. And Paco, anything  to add on top of that? Well, I agree 100% with

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Christa. There is a pre and postcoid, right?  But um we are excited for the future because

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indoor cycling when we both and I believe that  we both start to teach indoor cycling at the same

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time long time ago. So in the last 25 years indoor  cycling have been going through many changes right

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when we started to to teach it was more just about  about the structor then the the bike was changing

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you know uh uh getting better quality power  training uh now technology so uh the future is

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there and we are excited and we are very optimist.  Yeah. And I I'm kind of curious to hear more about

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uh what it was like when you first started.  So, kicking it back over to Christa, I mean,

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when you first got into this 20 something years  ago, I mean, did you ever think that it would be

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where it's at now? No. Actually, you know, it's  kind of funny because when we were bringing one

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of our our club at the time was one of the first  clubs to bring in indoor cycling and everyone was

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like, "Oh, this is just a fad. This is not going  to this is not going to last." Um, and here we

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are 25 plus 30 years later and it certainly is  not a a fad. Um, and to, you know, looking at

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what was happening around the world at the time,  you know, I think Paco could certainly talk about

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his experience in Spain and then the how it just  took off to a whole other uh other level. So yeah,

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I don't think we had any expectations that  it would be as strong and as big as and as

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uh integral to all clubs now. It's not like should  we get cycling or not. It's like it's part of a

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staple within the club environment. So that's one  of the things that also has certainly been uh a

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game changer over the years. Yeah, absolutely. And  I I'm curious to know more about obviously you're

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both you know Chrisa you're in Canada and Paco as  you mentioned you know outside of Spain but you've

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been around the world. How have things differed  in indoor cycling from one continent to the other,

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from one country to another, like internationally  maybe versus the United States? I'm just kind of

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curious to know your thoughts about the  different regions of the world and maybe

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how they view indoor cycling in the industry. And  Paco, I'll start with you. So, I think that there

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is a a main factor that influenced in the past to  cycling became successful in several countries.

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For example, you know that Europe they have a long  history, long cycling history, right? So in Europe

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this during the winter is very cold. So they found  one way to train in the winter indoors, you know,

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and have fun and together with music. So so lot  of cyclists for them that was like a gold mine,

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right? So and then you know cycling have been so  popular the last 20 years even in US where you

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guys were used to baseball, American football,  basketball, ice hockey and then I believe that

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a lot of the last 10 or 20 years you know three  very important North American cyclist they won

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the two to the France. So and I think that  that also influence on how fast the indoor

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cycling grow in worldwide right and and I wanted  to add I can add a little bit to that too and if

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you even look at the Australian market where less  mills has been such a powerful force in terms of

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bringing choreog pre- choreographed programming  to the industry that helped a lot of instructors

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who you know maybe didn't have the necessary tools  to be able to do that but by having that framework

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work we're able to really jump on board and be  able to apply that. So I think worldwide each

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country and continent um has really brought  a different uniqueness to it and how we as a

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global market take all that information and see  how can we create something that's going to mix

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and or work with the with the groups that  we are all training at the time. Are there

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any current markets that are like emerging in a  certain area? Is there any traction with someone

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like you mentioned less mills from Australia is  there another group of people in a certain area

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right now where like people are kind of turning  their head and saying oh it's kind of interesting

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what's happening over there well I think that  indoor cycling is very popular worldwide right

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so to your question I think that in Latin American  countries I mean we can see we can feel that there

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is a growth and also in places like in China  Japan Singapore all these places where where

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it was like a very low market for us. I mean  right now they are very important market. Mhm.

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Yeah. That's very cool. So next question for you.  You mentioned earlier Christa these larger gyms,

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boutique gyms. For maybe someone that's listening  who doesn't know so much about this space, how do

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you define like your verticals? You know, how  do you see indoor cycling? Is it boutique gyms,

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sport performance, rehab? what are these spaces  for you and and what are these different areas?

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Yeah. Well, I think that's the really great  and unique thing about indoor cycling is that

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it does work in all those vertical markets. So,  you could have a recreation facility that has a

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cardiac rehab program and now we can use our  bikes to train with Mets. We have, you know,

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boutique markets that want to have that amazing  canvas with the lights and the small they, you

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know, you don't need to have a huge space. You can  have a small location and run a really successful

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indoor cycling program and just highlight  just indoor cycling. Or you could be at the

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club facility level and where you have a spin room  where you have a dedicated fusion yoga room where

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you have a dedicated strength conditioning. Or  we're using our bikes in the sports market where

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we're training people to train with power and  being very specific to what their their training

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needs are. That's what I think indoor cycling has  really done for the market is it's not singular.

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It's malterable across all those verticals. Yeah,  absolutely. I appreciate you kind of um defining

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those verticals and and what stood out to me  from your answers already was just the impact of

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technology on the growth of this market for sure.  So, I want to talk more about that. It seems that

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from 25 years ago to now, it went from being in a  studio with a few people to maybe more people. But

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now there's this ability to have a global reach,  right? So I'm curious to know how technology has

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really impacted this market and what the biggest  innovations have really been over the years to

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get the market to where it is now. And Krista,  we'll go back to you and then Paco will go to

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you after. Okay. Um, yeah, I mean technology  has been a gamecher in the fitness industry as

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a as a whole. If we look at smart watches and  in the ability to virtually stream programs,

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it has what I I think what the biggest takeaway  is that when we have the opportunity to reach more

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people in different ways and whether they are, you  know, had a bike at home, we're doing some virtual

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classes and now feel a little bit more comfortable  in at their home environment that then opens it

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up for them to maybe try a facility and enter  into a gym. So, it's a really great entry point.

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It also connects people all over the world you  know so the idea of staying connected and you

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know at the ride we have um a global marketplace  where we are offering classes not just in English

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but in other languages and we always say that  fitness is in every language so it doesn't matter

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if you speak one or the other it's you know it's  creating that so technology from that piece is

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just one side on the other technical side of it  I I mean I think I could let Paco speak on that

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piece but you know the connection in things like  projection systems and leaderboards and tracking

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data is also very exciting for a large part of  the market group as well. So we believe that the

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the technology is the missing link that brought  uh this kind of uh it's the key element that

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brought everything together, right? So we have the  bike, we have the instructor, we have the rider.

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So it was like three different parts at the same  studio at the same place, right? With technology

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is bringing everything together to create the  community. That's the biggest advance in the last

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years regarding indoor cycling, right? And and  technology allows you to to to connect everything

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in the class. I remember when I was teaching  the class, it was everything about the workout.

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during the workout. Today is is more than that.  Before the workout, what you are doing as a rider,

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as a class participant before the workout,  right? Before it was just I jump into the class,

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you know, I go like 10 minutes before  I put my bottle of water, my towel,

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I I don't need to reser my bike just to be 10  minutes before or even half an hour before or

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even 1 hour before. Today through technology you  can make reservation you can that's before the

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class instructor also prepare and design the class  before right so during the class what happened

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everything and after the class I mean you see your  metrics you see how good you were into the class

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and where you were in the leaderboard during the  class and at the end of the class right that's

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what technology brought to indoor cycling I think  that is this the main factor that it will keep

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indoccycling growing and growing and growing.  Yeah, that's a great point. So number one,

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the impact of technology, right, is you have the  global reach. What I hear from you, number two,

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right, technology allows us to objectively measure  performance. Who doesn't love that? I mean, I love

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going to a class and seeing a leaderboard, right?  I I I'm going to work harder and I want to be at

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the top of the leaderboard so I can also measure  my performance. So then like you both said it

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connects everybody ultimately and it you're part  of something bigger. You're part of a community

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and you're able to connect with people sometimes  not just in your class but on a global scale

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which I think is really cool. So as instructors in  your experience this it sounds like it's sort of

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shifted to being like okay here's what we're going  to do today to this more holistic approach to the

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class right there are other elements that make  up a class other than just the workout itself.

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Is that right? Yeah definitely. you know, you're  creating now a more immersive experience for your

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your students. And the idea of technology helps  me as an instructor to be able to do that much

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better than I maybe I could or not better but in a  different way. And I'm also the benefit of indoor

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cycling is that the rider controls the intensity.  They can manage all of that on their own. If we

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were to ask you know most people is exercise  fun? I often talk about this uh it's fun for you

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and me and Paco because we do it every day. you  know, this is our life. We could walk into a gym

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anywhere and feel comfortable walking into that.  But if you have someone who's brand new and most,

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you know, 30% of more of a someone attending to  a club have never had that experience. They're

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they're they are a beginner. So, a beginner in an  indoor cycling class, I love it. They can control

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the intensity. It's non-impact. Now, we've got  this really fun immersive experience. And now

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we've elevated that for an individual whereas  before it's like oh I got to lift weights and I

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don't know what to do and you know so it's it's  just a whole a whole way to engage with people

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differently. So that technology experience is one  part of it but the engagement from that entire

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experience is a really cool cool opportunity  to to have a broader reach I think. So you yeah

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you love metrics someone might might don't they  don't care what their power is. They don't care

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what their heart rate. They just want to have a  good time. They want to listen to great music,

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be in a fun studio, and just move to the beat of  the music. They don't they might not care a single

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second if they've hit any of their power training  zones that day. They're just there for that fun

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that experience. So, it really has a really broad  appeal. They they don't care if they're a first

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on the leaderboard. They're last. They're having  a good time. Christa Christa made a a excellent

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description of what we created the right because  this is the concept this is our concept this is

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the kind of concept it's 100% adapted to all  situation right so intensity is play a very

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important role because I mean uh for us it's  very important that everybody knows how hard is

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working or how hard is riding and why he do that  and how he can do it right and and it is like in

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our concept you can have like a top cyclist  top three athlete a guy that is doing a lot

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of strength and with a lot of muscle mass and  you can have that person that I mean probably

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he's is is he's uh aerobic condition is not very  high but he adapted to his own intensity right

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so that's the concept and then you bring some  music you get fun if you want to compete you

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compete you can equalize the competition watts  per kilogram it is not the the strongest but it

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can be equalized by watts per kilogram but it's  a very important tool for that leaderboard so

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when you created the ride was that missing in  the marketplace like what was the inspiration

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for creating the ride? Uh well timing wise  it was you know we had it had been something

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we had wanted to do for a very long time. We had  this concept in our mind that this you know this

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would be a great opportunity then co hit and it  just slammed us into it a lot quicker than what

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it was. But what we wanted to do differently is  that we wanted to make it truly to be global. We

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have instructors from all over the world teaching  for us and training for us. We wanted to have that

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connection of it to be first of all that global  connection and we also wanted to to have anyone

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whatever type of bike they were riding on to be  able to be part of the ride. And that was really

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what Paco was talking about when we're training  with intensity. If you want to train with power,

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you train with power. If you want to train with  heart rate, you train with heart rate. If you

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want to train with rating of perceived exertion,  you train with that. If you want to train with the

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color zones that match the RP, we've got that  for you. as well. So, it was really trying to

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create an inclusive indoor cycling experience. We  wanted the quality to be there. We wanted there to

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be consistency. We wanted to have a standard  format. It's here. Here's our three types of

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rides. If you like working with rhythm, we've got  a class for you. If you want to work with metrics,

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we have ride race for you. If you want to, you got  only 20 30 minutes on your calendar and you want

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to do a rush a hit based class, we have that for  you as you as for you. So, you know, when Paco and

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I were working on this, we we really looked at who  goes to classes, what would their interests be,

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and how do we then appeal to to those interests as  well? Yeah. A question for me as Yeah, absolutely.

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A question for me as I think about it really is  like with all of your experience from the both of

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you and seeing so many classes, participating in  so many classes, at the end of the day for you,

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what do you think separates like an average  class from a really great class? And Paco,

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you can go ahead. It looks like you're excited  to to answer. So, why you point to me? I mean,

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because you went Okay, let's go. Let's go. Let's  go. That's a really good question, right? Um but

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let's talk about about our concept, right? So  um you know um even that people think that that

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there is not science behind the concept is a  lot of science behind the right concept. Right?

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Because I mean the science is there you know it is  the methodology you use and you bring into and you

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incorporate into the concept is the key element  that the the concept became successful or not

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right. So uh you know I mean we felt that that  that the indoor cycling it was instructors that

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they were teaching classes too much into the  power training you know just metrics and and

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and come on be your best and blah blah blah you  know and trying to to to that all all the riders

00:19:30.560 --> 00:19:37.200
that attend to your class become cyclist. Now only  probably only 5% the people that tend to our class

00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:43.920
they are cyclist or they like cycling outdoors  right and also we don't want to take to this part

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where it's all about fun jumping moving on the  bike no right we want to bring everything together

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right so that was the reason why we created just  three type of glasses right rush rhythm and rays

00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:10.960
so it's everything integrated. Okay, intensity  is our main component, right? So, RAS is heat

00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:17.120
training. I mean, and today you know how important  is to train intervals, you know, just to keep your

00:20:17.120 --> 00:20:24.800
V2 max because V2 max is now a very important  tool for your longevity, you know, and for your

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healthy. So for your health to became healthier  and and the rhythm it is more based on getting

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fun you know music put turn off the light get  some disco lights there you know play the music

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very hard and race it's all about metrics right so  we blend everything together and I think that this

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is a very important part and factor that influence  that the right is so success go anything to add on

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top of that yeah yeah I was going to I think going  back to you know what make did you what was the

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question like what makes a really great class and  in all of my years and I've been teaching a long

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time and I go in and I teach courses and the first  question I ask stu my attendees always I ask the

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same question what makes a great indoor cycling  class I actually ask that question and the first

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thing people always say pretty much right there  they say music all right and if you think about

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it it's it's it's is a driving factor of that.  So they say music because in our mind the music

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becomes part of the road map of the ride. They say  things the instructor this instructor is gauging

00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:38.080
you know they're connecting with us they're making  it enjoyable. They'll say that they understand the

00:21:38.080 --> 00:21:42.960
format of the ride or what's happening in the  class all these other things. Never rarely in

00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:48.720
all my years did someone say to me the instructor  was technically excellent as a cyclist. you know,

00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:52.960
so it wasn't it's not, you know, it's a  skill set that that we can teach and train,

00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:58.080
but it's all those other factors that really make  that that experience. It's understanding how to

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put a class together. It's being there before the  ride, you know, getting the music on and the music

00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:07.440
and talking to people and connecting with them,  not just before the class, but before the class,

00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:10.320
at the end of the class, like, how was it?  Oh, I was really uncomfortable. Hey, well,

00:22:10.320 --> 00:22:14.960
let me work with you and set up your bike a little  bit differently for the next time you come. So,

00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:19.440
it's it's all of those pieces that come  together. So, it's not just one thing,

00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:25.680
but it is a skill set that we are able to train  people to be able to be really good instructors.

00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:30.240
They may not be technically excellent in terms  of their their ability to ride out on the road,

00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:35.120
but they certainly can do a really good job on  uh you know, in an indoor cycling class. So,

00:22:35.120 --> 00:22:41.280
it really it allows them to have another skill  set to to bring to the table. Yeah, that was

00:22:41.280 --> 00:22:45.360
a great point you made about making it engaging  and I like that you start with that question when

00:22:45.360 --> 00:22:49.840
you're asking. So, let's dive into that more. You  talked about connecting with people, maybe asking

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questions prior to the class, getting there a  little bit early, you know, having a little bit

00:22:54.320 --> 00:22:59.760
of an informality aspect to it, too. What things  make it engaging? So, Chris, I'm going to go right

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back to you. Like, what are other opportunities  for instructors to make a class engaging? Is it

00:23:05.120 --> 00:23:09.120
like what are specific examples? Is it calling  out somebody by name? Is it I don't know. So,

00:23:09.120 --> 00:23:12.560
I'm curious to know more about like what could  actually make a class engaging? What are things

00:23:12.560 --> 00:23:17.920
that you're you're focusing on? Yeah. I mean all  those things that you've mentioned it it's it's

00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:22.720
the little things I think that make a difference  as an instructor you know over the years is that

00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:31.600
um we we know uh we need to appeal to a really  great uh broad audience. So understanding for

00:23:31.600 --> 00:23:36.400
me that I'm not going to have all cyclists in my  class. I'm not going to all have all experienced

00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:41.840
intermediate. I'm going to have a mix of  individuals and trying to appeal to all of those

00:23:41.840 --> 00:23:47.040
uh groups is sometimes, you know, a big part of  being a really good instructor is how do I teach

00:23:47.040 --> 00:23:53.520
to the masses on on a regular basis. So, it's  really on how we connect from a level of things

00:23:53.520 --> 00:23:57.760
like Paco was just talking about intensity,  the different ways that we we measure and use

00:23:57.760 --> 00:24:02.640
intensity. What's going to connect and click with  someone? Instructing by invitation is what we say

00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:08.480
is we are inviting people to this experience and  we are there just to guide and coach them just

00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:12.960
like you're coaching athletes. We are coaching  a group of indoor cycling attendees that come

00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:18.240
to that class and everyone needs to be coached a  little bit differently. So from things to how we

00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:23.360
cue the information that we share, the time we  spend with them before and after class, all of

00:24:23.360 --> 00:24:27.520
those types of things are the the little things.  At the end of the day, we're sitting on a on a

00:24:27.520 --> 00:24:32.960
bike and we're pedaling. you know, there's it's  not super more complicated than that, but it's all

00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:37.840
those other little things that actually make it uh  it go from good to great as the saying goes. So,

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I don't know, Paco, if you have anything to add.  Well, and it also depends the time you're teaching

00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:53.600
your class. I mean, let's say that my first class  tomorrow is at 7:30 or 6:30 a.m. So, probably, no,

00:24:53.600 --> 00:25:01.360
I'm sure I have different Mhm. riders that what  I have at 120 or 1:00 p.m. And even it will be

00:25:01.360 --> 00:25:10.000
different, you know, uh the the riders I have  at 8:00 p.m., right? Because I mean 6 a.m. all

00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:20.400
the riders they are training before they go work  you know and the midday riders I mean is there

00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:28.320
uh the lunch uh time you know so they go for a  quick workout 30 minutes and then the riders of

00:25:28.320 --> 00:25:34.400
8:00 p.m. those are the one that they have been  working all day, right? So what I found is that

00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:39.120
the people that are coming early in the morning,  you know, I mean, if they're coming because

00:25:39.120 --> 00:25:43.680
they're they're focused on their workout, you  know? I mean, they don't want to waste their time,

00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:50.080
right? Get in and get out. Get in, get in, get  out, right? So the midday is those that I mean

00:25:50.080 --> 00:25:58.640
they're also uh uh they like metrics and compete,  right? And the one that are coming late evening,

00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:05.120
I mean those they want to be entertainment,  right? They want music, they want fun leaderboard

00:26:05.120 --> 00:26:10.000
and those kind of stuff. But it depends the  time you're teaching. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah,

00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:16.400
I think every club is also a little different. You  adapt to the time, you adapt to the population,

00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:20.800
you adapt to, you know, many different things.  uh depending on what that and that's the same

00:26:20.800 --> 00:26:26.400
thing in what makes a facility successful is do  you understand who it is that you're teaching to

00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:32.000
what market are you trying to appeal to and uh and  going sticking in that lane that will work for for

00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:37.760
you to be to be successful that's so fascinating  I I like Chrisa what you said specifically

00:26:37.760 --> 00:26:42.000
instructing by invitation I really liked and then  Paco hitting on all those different times of the

00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:48.320
day that's not something that I would think about  um so have you improved both of you your DJ skills

00:26:48.320 --> 00:26:54.560
like over time like how do you how much time is  spent on creating like music? It sounds like it's

00:26:54.560 --> 00:27:02.480
a huge deal. It's huge deal. Paco, you hear this?  Well, it depends. Something that I learned uh

00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:09.680
through all these years is Okay, Paco, when when  you finish to create a workout and put all the

00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:16.720
music together, don't go back and listen because  probably I'm going to change something, right?

00:27:18.320 --> 00:27:24.320
So it's always been the same you know because at  the end of the day it's really difficult I mean

00:27:24.320 --> 00:27:33.360
from my from my experience to be 100% happy what  you created right you always like to get that 100%

00:27:33.360 --> 00:27:43.920
uh right but uh music okay so putting all the  workout together for me I always uh what I do

00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:51.680
always at the beginning is to know what I want to  teach which kind of class or type of class I going

00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:59.040
to teach is today like a heat training it is like  a rhythm class or a race class right so that needs

00:27:59.040 --> 00:28:06.160
to be clear right what I going to put everything  together in terms of intensity right then I choose

00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:14.000
the music because I am a believer that any music  fits in every workout right so there is no music

00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:20.080
for heat there is No music for rhythm. There is no  music for race. Right? It is more how you motivate

00:28:20.080 --> 00:28:27.920
your writers. Okay? I I tell you a secret. I mean  the music I use in my classes that is not the

00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:36.160
music I listen when I am in my car or when I am at  home. Right. That's right. When when my kids are

00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:41.200
on the Spotify playlist and they're like there's  mom's fitness just like turn that off. It's just

00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:46.960
a totally different but but to your point there  it is a big part of it. Paco downplays but Paco's

00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:53.600
really excellent at creating amazing playlist  like he's like top notch top notch I would say

00:28:53.600 --> 00:28:59.920
but it is really it takes time. It is a big it's  easier nowadays than it ever has been when we we

00:28:59.920 --> 00:29:04.160
won't even tell you what we started with many  years ago. But you know the systems that are

00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:09.040
there that to help you even workout builders and  those types of tools that we have now certainly

00:29:09.040 --> 00:29:15.120
uh create the opportunity to to just take it up  to the next level. But look I was last last week

00:29:15.120 --> 00:29:21.600
I was in Switzerland right? uh we were closing a  deal with one of our client and and then I teached

00:29:21.600 --> 00:29:28.960
a a class right and 50 studio bikes Keiser  studio bikes you know so I play some music

00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:33.680
you know like heartbeat techno music you know  and one of the guys they came to me and said oh

00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:41.680
man this is a this is a very strong beat music  you know like a club music and I mean are you

00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:47.360
not too old for that music you didn't like that  music I mean the music is my tool Right. I mean,

00:29:47.360 --> 00:29:55.600
I'm not old to get a hammer, you know. So, it's  my tool. So, it doesn't matter how age you are,

00:29:55.600 --> 00:30:01.040
you know? I mean, you use your music. I told  him I use my music as a tool. I'm using my

00:30:01.040 --> 00:30:06.960
music to sit and relax because I couldn't never  listen to this music. You know what I mean? So,

00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:16.560
I mean, if you have that clear, use your music as  a tool. Mhm. Paco, I'm picturing you like having

00:30:16.560 --> 00:30:21.280
a dinner party and having guests over and you  know, you plug in your iPhone and stuff or you

00:30:21.280 --> 00:30:24.720
listen to some music and you have something for  the appetizers, you have something for the first

00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:28.160
course, you have something for the second course  and you're taking them through this immersive

00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:33.920
experience of being hosted at your house through  through your music. Yeah. And I think that the

00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:38.240
case that happened the same that they have  all all the cycling instructors, you know,

00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:44.160
when you listen music, you know, and you start to  move your feet, you know, like clap on the floor,

00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:50.320
you know, that music would be a good fix in  your Exactly. You're always you're always on

00:30:50.320 --> 00:30:54.640
the playlist. You're always thinking, how  could I use that song in my would that be

00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:58.800
a great Is that going to be a great interval  training song? I'm going to use that. You know,

00:30:58.800 --> 00:31:03.680
even in early days when Paco and I used to do the  conference circle circuit and we'd have music on,

00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:09.680
we'd even have like a drummer come in and play  with so so much fun and so so so many ways that

00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:13.920
you can use uh music in a in a way. Well, cool.  It's great to get your guys' perspective on that.

00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:19.200
And earlier you mentioned measuring intensities  and leveraging uh Paco, you had just mentioned,

00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:26.320
you know, studio display. So um my question  is what are those different ways that we are

00:31:26.320 --> 00:31:31.920
able to measure intensity in a class? He said one  thing may work for this person but a better way to

00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:37.680
measure that is you know this way this method.  So um open question to the both of you and and

00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:41.920
whoever wants to take this can begin but what  are the best ways that we're measuring intensity

00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:47.520
in our classes? Grace go ahead. No you no you go  ahead. I've been talking I've been talking a lot.

00:31:47.520 --> 00:31:55.920
I'll let you talk. and very important right I mean  we know three different method well let's say we

00:31:55.920 --> 00:32:05.200
know right let's say that in our concept the right  I mean our classes are designed to use the three

00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:15.760
different method that we know that you can control  intensity right okay so power and I will come back

00:32:15.760 --> 00:32:23.360
later with power power heart rate and perception  of effort. So everybody related to sport knows

00:32:23.360 --> 00:32:32.240
that perception of effort was the first method to  measure intensity, right? Heart rate calculator

00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:40.480
and power now is the top top of the pop. Let's say  that is the one that everybody's using. I I want

00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:52.000
to bring here in this podcast gave that Keiser  was the first company that introduce power in

00:32:52.000 --> 00:33:02.480
the indoor cycling community. Mhm. Right. So no  one until 2006 has a display on their bike that

00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:08.240
measure power. There were some of them they were  having a display in Indoscond classes that you

00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:18.080
could measure cadence but never power. So we  have more than 20 years of experience training

00:33:18.080 --> 00:33:25.680
with power and what we did is to bring that  science method of control intensity you know

00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:33.600
and adapt to indoccycling right so and this is  something that I mean I don't know if sometimes

00:33:33.600 --> 00:33:38.720
people that listen this podcast will tell wow  you guys think that you are the best no we are

00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:47.920
not the best we were the first one Right? And I  really believe that who hit first and hit good,

00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:53.280
you know, became the best. Right? And and this  is something that we understand and this company

00:33:53.280 --> 00:33:59.920
understand about power and why power is important  or is too trendy now to measure intensity because

00:33:59.920 --> 00:34:05.840
power is there. You just go on your bike, you  start pedal and you see your power. The only you

00:34:05.840 --> 00:34:14.720
need to to do and to find out is your FTP. If you  want we can talk more about later. And that's it.

00:34:14.720 --> 00:34:20.320
Very easy to control your intensity. You don't  need to bring anything. We are doing this since

00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:29.680
2006. The heart rate. Everybody knows heart rate  and perception of effort. But a very important

00:34:29.680 --> 00:34:40.400
characterist at the same time in our classes  you can control intensity feeling the energy

00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:48.560
you produce how your body responds heart rate  and how your body feels regarding heart rate

00:34:48.560 --> 00:34:56.960
and power. That's what I mean the science behind  the right. Awesome. Thank you so much. Chris,

00:34:56.960 --> 00:35:01.680
I would love for you to maybe expand on some of  that. Um the maybe hitting on the importance of

00:35:01.680 --> 00:35:07.840
power and then this term that Paco used which was  FTP and maybe where functional threshold power the

00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:13.600
importance of functional threshold power. Yeah.  I I think when we look at power really what we're

00:35:13.600 --> 00:35:18.320
looking at is a mechanical output in terms of  we're working with gear and we're working with

00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:23.120
cadence. So if we look at the formula power  equals force times velocity. So when we're

00:35:23.120 --> 00:35:28.400
looking on working with our bikes, we're powers  are is measured in watts. The force is the gear,

00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:33.280
the intensity that we're at, and the cadence  is the RPM that we're riding at. And we've

00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:39.440
seen the output. If we look at the higher those  watts are when we look at it from a work output,

00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:43.280
we're going to feel that it's going to be  more challenging the higher the higher those

00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:47.920
power numbers are. And your students can actually  start to see that and correlate that really. Oh,

00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:53.520
my heart's pounding more. My power is up. my  rating of perceived exertion is higher. So,

00:35:53.520 --> 00:35:58.080
it really ties in that. Whereas heart rate, we  know variable factors, things like I've been

00:35:58.080 --> 00:36:03.120
overtraining or I had terrible sleep or I've had  three cups of coffee, my heart rate's going to

00:36:03.120 --> 00:36:08.960
respond to that. Mechanically on my bike, if I'm  riding at this cadence at this uh gear, I'm going

00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:12.720
to see what my power output is. And some days  that power is going to output is going to feel

00:36:12.720 --> 00:36:17.440
easy and some days it's not going to feel so easy.  But that's the number that I'm working towards.

00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:23.440
So it's a really effective tool to be able to tie  all of that together and you know people get a lot

00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:27.680
you know there it's confusion you know what is  functional threshold power and I can get Paco to

00:36:27.680 --> 00:36:33.440
talk about the de definition piece of it but if  we look at you know riders can see and feel that

00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:37.920
right away even if they know don't understand  anything about power if they're pedaling super

00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:44.160
fast with no gear or very little load on it their  watts are they're low or they've put tons of gear

00:36:44.160 --> 00:36:48.800
but they can barely pedal well they've got lots  of load but they don't have much velocity. Again,

00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:53.520
they're not maximizing their power output. So,  you start to correlate with what I'm seeing on

00:36:53.520 --> 00:36:57.680
the on my console, what I'm feeling,  and what are my numbers uh you know,

00:36:57.680 --> 00:37:02.720
uh showing on that. So, it's a nice other tool  to add to that indoor cycling experience. And

00:37:02.720 --> 00:37:09.120
we don't do it in any other fitness classes  right now. We do it on in indoor cycling.

00:37:09.120 --> 00:37:17.760
Paco, you want to maybe just expand on the FTP?  What function? Oh, yeah. Um okay let's go for it

00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:26.400
because I mean FTP FTP is now the magical number  right and and it is very important to know what

00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:35.680
is FTP what means FTP and what's more important  for everybody is that FTP is not everything right

00:37:35.680 --> 00:37:44.080
how we are using FTP in our classes I mean FTP is  a good tool to set up your levels your different

00:37:44.080 --> 00:37:52.160
levels of int intensity in your class. So the  the meth the power training methodology created

00:37:52.160 --> 00:38:04.720
by Andre Kogan and Hilter Allen back in 1995 I  believe it uh they uh created that methodology and

00:38:04.720 --> 00:38:12.160
they brought like seven different levels right so  guess what so we have like 10 level of perception

00:38:12.160 --> 00:38:22.080
of effort right five different zones or level of  heart rate and seven of power. It was like a you

00:38:22.080 --> 00:38:27.760
know and and your perception of effort it is now  it should be now eight. Your heart rate should

00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:33.120
be very close to five and your power it should  be like five. Oh my god or like six you know

00:38:33.120 --> 00:38:39.680
where I am. So something that we did real good and  Christa can go more on that is to bring everything

00:38:39.680 --> 00:38:48.640
together because we believe that in the classes  everything goes as very easy easy moderate hard

00:38:48.640 --> 00:38:57.520
and very hard that's it I mean it is never like I  need to stop because I don't pedal anymore because

00:38:57.520 --> 00:39:03.840
an indoor cycling remember it is a aerobic class  a mainly aerobic class you never stop pedaling

00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:13.200
Well, you stop peding at the end of the class,  right? So, we we created those kind of levels. So,

00:39:13.200 --> 00:39:22.160
and then what is coming FTP? FTP is help to create  the power level. So, we our methodology is just

00:39:22.160 --> 00:39:31.120
five power levels, right? So, the definition  of FTP is the highest average power you can

00:39:31.120 --> 00:39:40.640
sustain for about 1 hour. Okay. But we discover  that that doesn't work with everybody the same

00:39:40.640 --> 00:39:46.240
way. Let's say that I'm doing now a FTP test  with you and Christa and with me and we go to

00:39:46.240 --> 00:39:54.880
one class and I tell okay let's go for one hour  200 watts is my FTP 210 is yours and increase to

00:39:54.880 --> 00:40:04.720
100 80 for example right so I'm sure it's going  to be difficult that we all hold that intensity

00:40:04.720 --> 00:40:15.040
for about 1 hour right because it will depends  about how your body use your energy sources,

00:40:15.040 --> 00:40:21.680
right? Like you are more anorobic or more aerobic,  right? So the definition is or the new definition

00:40:21.680 --> 00:40:30.000
from the FTP is the highest average power you're  able to sustain somewhere between 30 minutes up to

00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:38.640
70 minutes. It will depends your if you are a pro  cyclist or if you are just a recreative cyclist,

00:40:38.640 --> 00:40:47.280
right? and about your condition. So something  that we discovered too is that the the uh the

00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:56.240
test the main test to uh estimate your FTP the 20  minute test right it was too long to incorporate

00:40:56.240 --> 00:41:05.680
to our classes to Keiser again and Chris and I  we designed a fiveinut test with a lot of science

00:41:05.680 --> 00:41:14.880
behind the the the test right so we apply a a  factor a correction factor what is 80%. Right?

00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:22.800
And then we can estimate the FTP but again there  is people that don't like to be tested during the

00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:31.440
class. I mean this happens. So through our old  experience and through our so many tests we did

00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:39.760
in the past and we're still doing we created  an algorithm based on your weight, your age,

00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:46.400
your physical condition and how many days per  week you attending to a cycling class. So we

00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:57.520
can estimate very close what is your FTP, right?  So you go there the nice and color studio display

00:41:57.520 --> 00:42:05.120
you input your FTP and all the colors coming up  and then you wear your heart rate you connect

00:42:05.120 --> 00:42:14.240
your smartwatch you see your heart rate you see  your power and then how your body feel you know

00:42:14.240 --> 00:42:19.920
yeah perhaps perhaps if you're perhaps if you're  a 6 a.m. you're a lunchtime or a nighttime rider

00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:27.680
too should be one of the questions. Um Christa  question on that now. So with Keiser's innovations

00:42:27.680 --> 00:42:33.600
uh especially recently how have things like the  studio display and M series group app really

00:42:33.600 --> 00:42:40.480
impacted the efficacy and experience in cycling?  Yeah, it's been really exciting on the Studio Plus

00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:45.600
console. Now we have the opportunity to enter  FTP right into the riders console. So they're

00:42:45.600 --> 00:42:51.120
able to when to talk Paco talks about train within  those levels, you're able to see I'm in zone 1,

00:42:51.120 --> 00:42:56.640
I'm in zone 2, 3, four, five, even into six and  seven if you choose to to work with a seven zone.

00:42:56.640 --> 00:43:02.000
So we can then test for it like Paco said and or  we can use our estimation tool, give something to,

00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:07.360
you know, give someone the information that they  need to start now experiencing what that will be

00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:12.000
like and how that correlates together. The other  new feature on the console, which is really neat,

00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:17.200
is that we know that we're not right in a zone,  but we can be at the low end of zone 3 or we

00:43:17.200 --> 00:43:22.560
could be at the high or the middle. So on the  console itself, we created a a progress bar so

00:43:22.560 --> 00:43:27.920
you can see where you are within those zones  as well because I might be in the sweet spot

00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:33.040
between zone 3 and zone four. I might be at the  high end of my zone 5, you know, those things. So

00:43:33.040 --> 00:43:38.800
it it just is it's a gamecher because it just  is allowing us to use that information. Um,

00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:43.360
the other feature that's really cool is that  we have that on built into to our app. So,

00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:48.960
the M series app allows you to enter your FTP.  It allows you to actually follow along on a test

00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:54.960
to be able to do a proper FTP test or you can  estimate it within that and have that data just

00:43:54.960 --> 00:44:00.560
right there at at your fingertips to be able to  take and use into into a class. So, maybe your

00:44:00.560 --> 00:44:05.760
bike isn't with a new studio console. you can  still use your download the M series app, enter

00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:10.720
your information and and ride on our M3i bikes  and be able to be connected and use those training

00:44:10.720 --> 00:44:16.800
zones effectively. So, yeah, it's a gamecher  I think because for those people that um are

00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:21.440
really into whether they're into getting deeper  into it or they're just learning it, it there's a

00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:27.120
little bit of something for everyone within that.  So, yeah, really exciting. And it's also Christa

00:44:27.120 --> 00:44:34.240
that that the new studio display closed the gap.  You know when I when I say close the gap is like

00:44:34.240 --> 00:44:42.080
I mean when you coming into a Keiser class I  mean if you have the news studio you display

00:44:42.080 --> 00:44:50.640
your app your individual app your M series group  app I mean wherever you look I mean you are into

00:44:50.640 --> 00:44:59.840
the Keiser immers into the EOS right you look  to your display you see that dial color dial

00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:06.800
you know, animated color dial, you know, going up  and down wherever you are on on your level. So,

00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:12.240
you look to your app, I mean, you can see the same  color dial. And if you look to the group to see

00:45:12.240 --> 00:45:18.000
what is doing your film next to you, you see also  the same the same environment. Work harder. Let's

00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:24.800
go. I'm harder than you, right? I'm more powerful  than you. It is funny. at the beginning, you know,

00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:31.120
when we brought the old display, the MCON display.  So, you see how the people were writing and look,

00:45:31.120 --> 00:45:38.960
you know, which gear you wear, right? Which which  gear you wear, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um um I

00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:44.160
always use something that is very funny you know  because I mean it's like you know when you go to

00:45:44.160 --> 00:45:50.880
the gym and you do like this kind of bench press  you know always everybody or your friend is asking

00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:58.720
you okay how much you can leave on your bench  press bench press I mean you say oh I can do like

00:45:58.720 --> 00:46:06.800
you know 200 200 pounds or 220 pounds you know  wow that's too much. So my question always was how

00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:15.760
many reps right that happened also with power when  well I can you know I can pedal like 500 watts for

00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:25.520
how long right but today I mean you see with the  levels that is not how much power you can you can

00:46:25.520 --> 00:46:31.520
generate it is how long you can keep the power  in the level what the structure is telling you

00:46:31.520 --> 00:46:37.920
to be right Mhm. Yeah. On the strength, sorry  to interrupt. And on the strength side too,

00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:42.240
we have not only how many reps you can do, right?  But same thing. How fast can you do it? As Chris

00:46:42.240 --> 00:46:46.800
mentioned before, four times loss, right? Like  how fast can you actually do the that 200 pound

00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:51.120
move that 200 lb. So Krista, go ahead. No,  I was just going to add to that. You know,

00:46:51.120 --> 00:46:56.240
you were asking about the console 2 itself and you  know, maybe a club wants to train in seven zones,

00:46:56.240 --> 00:47:00.320
but you can train in seven, you can train in five,  you can train in six. The other nice feature,

00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:04.800
and I think I mentioned earlier, is that if you're  working in rehab, it's one of the first bikes to

00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:09.440
have a very few bikes to have METS. So, we measure  METSS as well. So, lots of really neat features

00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:14.080
to be able to add to that experience. It was a  thoughtful approach of what does an instructor

00:47:14.080 --> 00:47:18.400
need to teach with and what does a rider need  to be able to, you know, what data points are

00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:23.840
they interested in and trying to be able to  cover cover those in that experience. So, yeah,

00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:30.320
it's great. Very cool. Sound sounds like it it  offers a very individualized approach if needed

00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:34.800
which I think is really cool that you have that  custom ability and then going back to you know

00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:40.160
making it engaging. Who doesn't love seeing colors  you know on the screen so that that obviously is a

00:47:40.160 --> 00:47:46.000
driving motivating factor. So now I'm just curious  to know kind of you've both been in this education

00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:53.360
space as well for quite some time. Can you speak  on the impact of just education and maybe offering

00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:58.320
not just a class and a ride class, but really  going in and educating on the importance of

00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:02.080
these things related to indoor cycling? Chris, I'm  going to go to you and then Paco, you can add on

00:48:02.080 --> 00:48:08.000
after. I mean, that's been my lifelong mantra is  that education and fitness have to come together

00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:12.160
because you can have a great great piece of  equipment, but if nobody knows how to use it

00:48:12.160 --> 00:48:17.040
or understand it or educate it around it, then  we're certainly missing a key component. Yeah.

00:48:17.040 --> 00:48:23.760
our you know our goal is to provide education to  the users so that they to the instructors and to

00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:29.360
the trainers out there using it so that they can  create the best experience that they can for their

00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:35.440
members at the end of the day. So having a good  understanding of the you know the key components

00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:40.480
of even the mechanics of the bike and then here's  how do we use technology and here's the physiology

00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:45.440
piece of it and here's how to design a ride  and put a ride like how do we how do we use the

00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:50.880
science to create the rides itself. So our goal  is we're going to give you all the information so

00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:57.120
that you can go out into the field and to be feel  really successful and feel educated and and and

00:48:57.120 --> 00:49:01.440
uh to use that to inspire you to maybe even learn  more. you know, you learn about the Keiser bike,

00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:05.520
maybe I want to now find out about the Keiser  functional trainer, you know, so it's really

00:49:05.520 --> 00:49:10.880
a cyclical approach that we have to education  is that, you know, every time I go in, whether

00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:15.440
someone's been teaching for the very first time,  never, or forever, you know, we ask, did we learn

00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:19.680
something new? Did it question what we thought we  knew, or does it reinforce what we already know?

00:49:19.680 --> 00:49:26.400
And we've uh we we really go with that approach  to our our education. I I always say that behind

00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:34.960
a good instructor there is always a great training  program always. and and an instructor is always

00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:41.920
supported by a good training program because  that's the tool you have that's the science behind

00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:48.000
you that help you to create everything right and  you see the different I mean you see you see when

00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:55.200
an instructor is supported by by a training a good  training product and a club from a club persp as

00:49:55.200 --> 00:50:01.040
a club owner and a manager I want my equipment to  be used so I want my team to be able to know how

00:50:01.040 --> 00:50:07.840
to use is I always it was our mandate to invest  in education for our team. Not only does it keep

00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:13.760
them more engaged in your club and they want to be  there, it's just pays off in dividends in terms of

00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:18.880
more people in classes, you know, more people  training in your gym, a more educated, engaged

00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:23.280
staff, you know, members that are happier because  they feel like they're safe and they feel like

00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:28.080
they're taken care of. So, it it certainly has  huge benefits all around in a club environment.

00:50:28.080 --> 00:50:33.920
For sure. Yeah. And in a profession where there  tends to be a lot of turnover too at clubs,

00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:38.560
boutique gyms, anything like that, it's always  nice to maybe have those managing members also

00:50:38.560 --> 00:50:43.520
have that level of education so that it can exist  their other me, you know, their other trainers or

00:50:43.520 --> 00:50:47.120
instructors that are coming in and out of their  doors, which I think is really important too. You

00:50:47.120 --> 00:50:51.440
want to have that quality experience no matter  who is maybe leading that session. So awesome.

00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:58.800
So a question to the both of you. What excites  you most about the future of indoor cycling?

00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:06.800
everything everything what we have and everything  what is coming that probably even we don't know

00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:15.520
yet right but we expect that is coming I think  everything you know um I think that we have

00:51:15.520 --> 00:51:24.960
both of us we have a gift being a being a indo  instructors because um it is a great activity it

00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:32.160
it is a great great training no impact At the end  of the day, uh it is a group, but like like you

00:51:32.160 --> 00:51:39.600
mentioned it, you know, it is somebody a person  that is training himself in a group environment,

00:51:39.600 --> 00:51:47.040
right? And for us, it's a gift to became a  cycling instructor, right? And the future is

00:51:47.040 --> 00:51:55.840
there. We are creating the future. Look what we  were uh in 2006 or 1998 where we are now. I mean

00:51:55.840 --> 00:52:03.760
we talking about about technology how we connect  people that's Keiser Keiser main characteristic

00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:13.040
is a a company that innovate constantly right and  and you know we're talking about now we are now

00:52:13.040 --> 00:52:19.120
talking about the right but we every day when we  meet we're talking about what we need to create

00:52:19.120 --> 00:52:29.920
when we need to do it and and yeah it's a non  impact activity cycling [Music] till we're 100.

00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:34.080
How do you Paco Paco? I know there's nothing that  doesn't, you know, that doesn't excite you. So,

00:52:34.080 --> 00:52:37.360
um I appreciate that. Krista, how about for  yourself? Just as you look at the future of indoor

00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:42.080
cycling and where it's headed. I think it's really  exciting. There's this term omni fitness where

00:52:42.080 --> 00:52:46.800
consumers are interested in being able to work  at home. They're interested in being able to work

00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:53.040
in the club and virtual. And I think the exciting  is that we can now reach a greater broad audience

00:52:53.040 --> 00:52:58.960
beyond what we ever could because of things like  virtual classes or clubs that sit empty half of

00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:03.360
the studios that sit empty half of the day. Well,  we can provide you with an a virtual on demand

00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:08.480
class. You know, there's so many things that we  can do and over my many many years in fitness is

00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:13.440
it's always changing. It's always innovating. It's  always exciting. We're always learning and that's

00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:18.240
an environment that I think is is really exciting  moving forward. So, lots of opportunities as we

00:53:18.240 --> 00:53:22.480
move into the future. So, excited for that  as well. Seems like one of the really cool

00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:26.400
things that happened, especially post pandemic,  was people really want to own their time and be

00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:30.720
able to train when they want to. So, now instead  of having to just go to a class necessarily that's

00:53:30.720 --> 00:53:34.800
in person or they have to travel to the gym and  take more of their time. Just the ability to

00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:38.640
have that connectivity whenever they need it,  you know, from their phone, from their iPad,

00:53:38.640 --> 00:53:42.880
whatever is a really great awesome thing. So, I  am curious to know where it's going to go next.

00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:50.640
I know there's a lot of uh um coming and going of  trends uh in in fitness especially. So curious to

00:53:50.640 --> 00:53:55.200
see what resurfaces and then you know what happens  next. So I appreciate that and and all of your

00:53:55.200 --> 00:54:01.040
thoughts today. I have a couple of fun quicker  closing questions for the both of you. Um and

00:54:01.040 --> 00:54:05.040
we're going to go Paco answers first and Chrisa  just so we can make them a little bit quicker

00:54:05.040 --> 00:54:10.240
here. With all of your travels, okay, with all of  your travels that that you mentioned earlier in

00:54:10.240 --> 00:54:18.960
the episode here, your favorite type of cuisine  is blank. Go ahead, Paco. No, I had you. Oh,

00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:24.640
it's me. I thought you said that. I'm gonna say  Thai food. I'm I'm going to go Thai food. Well,

00:54:24.640 --> 00:54:32.080
I'm busy with food. You know what I mean? I always  try to Yeah, why not? I mean I mean I'm not this

00:54:32.080 --> 00:54:37.680
kind of guy that travel and you know travel trying  to find a Spanish restaurant somewhere. No, no,

00:54:37.680 --> 00:54:44.080
no. Try different. No, no, no. If I go to a place,  I will try all the dishes. I mean the So, what's

00:54:44.080 --> 00:54:49.680
been your favorite? Oh, my favorite or something  you weren't expecting that ended up being really

00:54:49.680 --> 00:55:00.080
great. My favorite, you know, my favorite is  they call Cuban rice. It is two fried eggs.

00:55:00.080 --> 00:55:08.720
White rice and a fried banana. That's my favorite  plate. And a plantain. Okay. I like it. I like it.

00:55:08.720 --> 00:55:14.480
All right. How about Do you ever try it? Okay.  Never try it. Yeah. We have a Cuban restaurant

00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:20.560
down the street here. Oh, there you go. We'll try  it. 90 Mile Cuban Cafe. Check it out. Cuban rice.

00:55:20.560 --> 00:55:24.960
Tuesday night. Tuesday night whole pig roast.  So, hog roast over there. So, yeah. No, give me

00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:30.800
some black beans, some plantains, rice. I love it.  I'm I'm all in. some pulled pork. Yes, I'm in. So,

00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:34.880
okay, we'll start with Krista then. I'm curious  because I do this on the strength side for sure.

00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:39.200
I will sometimes Yeah, I spend so much time in  the gym working with people, things like that.

00:55:39.200 --> 00:55:46.400
Sometimes I like to go to a class. Yeah. And I  don't I like to play class member, not instructor.

00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:51.200
So, do you ever find yourself just kind of maybe  walking into a class that you know and sitting in

00:55:51.200 --> 00:55:55.600
the back and going through the class and I guess  that's market research, but do you ever like to

00:55:55.600 --> 00:56:00.960
just do somebody else's class? Yeah, I I actually  really love it because I always learn something

00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:06.960
new or take away something from that experience.  You know, in life, we're either a teacher, right,

00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:11.440
or we're a student and we can't just be one or the  other. I think we need to do both. So, I love to

00:56:11.440 --> 00:56:16.080
have the balance of being not just the teacher,  but also being the student and learning from from

00:56:16.080 --> 00:56:21.280
that experience. So, in the back in the quietly,  unless they point, you know, then you're like,

00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:26.000
"No, I was trying to sneak in." So, yeah. Who does  Yeah. Well said. Well said, Christa. Thanks. Go

00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:32.080
ahead, Paco. Yeah, in our training program,  we recommend we we gave some recommendation

00:56:32.080 --> 00:56:40.080
to the to the instructors, right? And one of the  recommendation is you should try to attend to a

00:56:40.080 --> 00:56:48.320
class of your colle of a class of other instructor  because you learn and sometime you learn what you

00:56:48.320 --> 00:56:56.080
can do and sometime you also learn what you  shouldn't do. Definitely. Definitely. That's

00:56:56.080 --> 00:57:01.600
great. Um, okay. Last question then and we're  going to go back to this topic. When you finally

00:57:01.600 --> 00:57:07.120
have some time to unwind and you're at home and  you get on your bike, what kind of music are you

00:57:07.120 --> 00:57:13.520
listening to? Because for me on the strength  side, it was so much go and so much, you know,

00:57:13.520 --> 00:57:18.720
like loud music. I kind of like listening to  something like smooth jazz or like sometimes even

00:57:18.720 --> 00:57:22.480
classical when I was lifting because it allowed  my mind to just kind of relax a little bit. So,

00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:26.000
I'm just curious to hear from you guys. When you  have time to just pick for yourself and not for

00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:33.520
somebody else, what are you listening to? What  kind of music I listen when I'm Well, I told you

00:57:33.520 --> 00:57:38.560
I told I didn't tell you the kind of music. I told  you that for example, when I train at home on my

00:57:38.560 --> 00:57:46.480
bike, on my studio, I mean, yeah, it depends the  mood, you know. It depends how you feel it, right?

00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:54.400
any music fix, you know, but it it is it is clear  that if that day I want to do a heat workout,

00:57:54.400 --> 00:58:00.400
you know, like a really really hard hit workout.  So, I'm trying to find those kind of music that,

00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:08.640
you know, give me that kind of push to reach that  level, right? Um, any music play, I mean, you know

00:58:08.640 --> 00:58:19.840
what I doing? I doing my my music provider. No.  What is my recommendation for today? I play it.

00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:25.200
Krista, how about yourself? Well, when I'm just at  home listening, I actually love uh I have a record

00:58:25.200 --> 00:58:30.400
collection. So, I like to collect old records. So,  I have a record player and I'll put on anything

00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:35.200
from whatever, you know, new record I've found at  an antique store, I'll play that. So, I like to

00:58:35.200 --> 00:58:41.440
listen to that. But, if I'm actually on my bike, I  do follow along to the ride. So, I will do um our

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ride workouts. I I'll probably do Leos or Tanya  or someone's in Spanish. So, I just kind of just

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get on and ride and not understand a single thing  they're saying, but really enjoy the experience.

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So, that's what I do on my bike. I enjoy the ride.  Oh, so cool. So, I appreciate your time. Christa,

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I'm going to ask you. So, if someone wants to  learn more, if someone's listening, they want to

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learn more about the ride, they want to learn more  about the Keiser M3i and Studio Play, where can

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they go? Yeah, they should. They can reach out to  either Paco and I. I'm sure that information will

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be in the podcast. The go to the Keiser website.  You can click on education um in under the cardio

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section, find education at talks. It's a really  great site about everything that we offer. So, I

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would really recommend you uh check us out there.  We've got the trainers list on there. Paco and I

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are listed on the website as well. So, you can  certainly check it check us out or you can go to

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the ride.iser.com to learn about the ride or the  ride studio if you're a club owner. Um, so lots

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of great options to find out more about what we're  doing and what we're up to. And we have the Keiser

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community. Uh, so please check that out as well.  Awesome. Well, a huge thank you Chris Papoitch

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and Paka Gonzalez. Two of the best that Keiser  in the world of cycling have to offer. Thank you

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for joining us on the Keiser Human Performance  podcast. As Chris mentioned, there are plenty of

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places you can go for continuing education. We'll  make sure that we share those in the episode notes

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and you know places that you can find tutorials,  intensity calculators like your FTP, the Riot

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series and much more. So, thank you everybody.  Thank you for listening and have an awesome

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Thank you both for being here today.  Paco, I'm gonna start with you. You've

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been all over the world. What's  your favorite place to travel to?

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Home. You see, I'm quick. And for our  listeners that are listening right now,

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where is home for you? Where is home for me? I  mean, I visit in the Canary Island, but I mean

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that that was just a a quick joke. I mean, uh,  wherever you go, you find something special,

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right? I mean home is home because you have your  family around but places where I have been still

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uh Brazil, Japan, US, you know, you always find  time to see the wonders of the universe and the

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wonder of the earth and meet people, right? So  that's very important. That's awesome. Thanks for

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sharing. And Christa, same question for you. Where  do I I live in Vancouver, Canada. And um I I kind

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of echo what Paco said. It is amazing. the world  is so interconnected and the nice thing about

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fitness and everything that we do interconnects  people really easily as well. But um I've had some

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really neat experiences traveling to places like  Iceland and teaching there and you know unique

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places around the world. So I feel very blessed  to be able to share what my passion is which is

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indoor cycling and fitness and to be able to meet  really great people everywhere. Awesome. Well

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noted that neither of your answers were Chicago so  thanks. Um, all right. So, as we move forward now,

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let's talk about the landscape of indoor cycling.  You both have such tremendous experience in this

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space. I'm really excited to dive into this world  with the both of you. Would love to begin by just

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getting your general thoughts on the current state  of indoor cycling and the industry. Christa, would

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you mind starting off? Yeah. Um, you know, I think  it was very interesting prior to the pandemic,

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it was just on the rise. On the rise, we were  seeing boutique markets or boutique studios

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opening everywhere. we were seeing recreation  centers looking at how do I how do we compete

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with the boutiques and the clubs and and so forth.  So I think it was a really interesting time post

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pandemic. It has been a slow growth back to where  we were and it I don't know that it'll necessarily

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ever be the same. Um it certainly is a different  landscape to what it was before but um certainly

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seeing now about class is starting to pick up  especially where I am. It took a little bit of

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time, but actually this last 6 months I've really  noticed an increase in the attendance numbers of

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uh in indoor cycling. Great. And Paco, anything  to add on top of that? Well, I agree 100% with

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Christa. There is a pre and postcoid, right?  But um we are excited for the future because

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indoor cycling when we both and I believe that  we both start to teach indoor cycling at the same

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time long time ago. So in the last 25 years indoor  cycling have been going through many changes right

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when we started to to teach it was more just about  about the structor then the the bike was changing

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you know uh uh getting better quality power  training uh now technology so uh the future is

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there and we are excited and we are very optimist.  Yeah. And I I'm kind of curious to hear more about

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uh what it was like when you first started.  So, kicking it back over to Christa, I mean,

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when you first got into this 20 something years  ago, I mean, did you ever think that it would be

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where it's at now? No. Actually, you know, it's  kind of funny because when we were bringing one

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of our our club at the time was one of the first  clubs to bring in indoor cycling and everyone was

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like, "Oh, this is just a fad. This is not going  to this is not going to last." Um, and here we

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are 25 plus 30 years later and it certainly is  not a a fad. Um, and to, you know, looking at

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what was happening around the world at the time,  you know, I think Paco could certainly talk about

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his experience in Spain and then the how it just  took off to a whole other uh other level. So yeah,

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I don't think we had any expectations that  it would be as strong and as big as and as

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uh integral to all clubs now. It's not like should  we get cycling or not. It's like it's part of a

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staple within the club environment. So that's one  of the things that also has certainly been uh a

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game changer over the years. Yeah, absolutely. And  I I'm curious to know more about obviously you're

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both you know Chrisa you're in Canada and Paco as  you mentioned you know outside of Spain but you've

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been around the world. How have things differed  in indoor cycling from one continent to the other,

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from one country to another, like internationally  maybe versus the United States? I'm just kind of

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curious to know your thoughts about the  different regions of the world and maybe

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how they view indoor cycling in the industry. And  Paco, I'll start with you. So, I think that there

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is a a main factor that influenced in the past to  cycling became successful in several countries.

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For example, you know that Europe they have a long  history, long cycling history, right? So in Europe

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this during the winter is very cold. So they found  one way to train in the winter indoors, you know,

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and have fun and together with music. So so lot  of cyclists for them that was like a gold mine,

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right? So and then you know cycling have been so  popular the last 20 years even in US where you

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guys were used to baseball, American football,  basketball, ice hockey and then I believe that

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a lot of the last 10 or 20 years you know three  very important North American cyclist they won

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the two to the France. So and I think that  that also influence on how fast the indoor

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cycling grow in worldwide right and and I wanted  to add I can add a little bit to that too and if

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you even look at the Australian market where less  mills has been such a powerful force in terms of

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bringing choreog pre- choreographed programming  to the industry that helped a lot of instructors

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who you know maybe didn't have the necessary tools  to be able to do that but by having that framework

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work we're able to really jump on board and be  able to apply that. So I think worldwide each

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country and continent um has really brought  a different uniqueness to it and how we as a

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global market take all that information and see  how can we create something that's going to mix

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and or work with the with the groups that  we are all training at the time. Are there

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any current markets that are like emerging in a  certain area? Is there any traction with someone

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like you mentioned less mills from Australia is  there another group of people in a certain area

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right now where like people are kind of turning  their head and saying oh it's kind of interesting

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what's happening over there well I think that  indoor cycling is very popular worldwide right

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so to your question I think that in Latin American  countries I mean we can see we can feel that there

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is a growth and also in places like in China  Japan Singapore all these places where where

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it was like a very low market for us. I mean  right now they are very important market. Mhm.

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Yeah. That's very cool. So next question for you.  You mentioned earlier Christa these larger gyms,

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boutique gyms. For maybe someone that's listening  who doesn't know so much about this space, how do

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you define like your verticals? You know, how  do you see indoor cycling? Is it boutique gyms,

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sport performance, rehab? what are these spaces  for you and and what are these different areas?

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Yeah. Well, I think that's the really great  and unique thing about indoor cycling is that

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it does work in all those vertical markets. So,  you could have a recreation facility that has a

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cardiac rehab program and now we can use our  bikes to train with Mets. We have, you know,

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boutique markets that want to have that amazing  canvas with the lights and the small they, you

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know, you don't need to have a huge space. You can  have a small location and run a really successful

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indoor cycling program and just highlight  just indoor cycling. Or you could be at the

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club facility level and where you have a spin room  where you have a dedicated fusion yoga room where

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you have a dedicated strength conditioning. Or  we're using our bikes in the sports market where

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we're training people to train with power and  being very specific to what their their training

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needs are. That's what I think indoor cycling has  really done for the market is it's not singular.

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It's malterable across all those verticals. Yeah,  absolutely. I appreciate you kind of um defining

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those verticals and and what stood out to me  from your answers already was just the impact of

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technology on the growth of this market for sure.  So, I want to talk more about that. It seems that

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from 25 years ago to now, it went from being in a  studio with a few people to maybe more people. But

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now there's this ability to have a global reach,  right? So I'm curious to know how technology has

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really impacted this market and what the biggest  innovations have really been over the years to

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get the market to where it is now. And Krista,  we'll go back to you and then Paco will go to

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you after. Okay. Um, yeah, I mean technology  has been a gamecher in the fitness industry as

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a as a whole. If we look at smart watches and  in the ability to virtually stream programs,

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it has what I I think what the biggest takeaway  is that when we have the opportunity to reach more

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people in different ways and whether they are, you  know, had a bike at home, we're doing some virtual

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classes and now feel a little bit more comfortable  in at their home environment that then opens it

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up for them to maybe try a facility and enter  into a gym. So, it's a really great entry point.

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It also connects people all over the world you  know so the idea of staying connected and you

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know at the ride we have um a global marketplace  where we are offering classes not just in English

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but in other languages and we always say that  fitness is in every language so it doesn't matter

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if you speak one or the other it's you know it's  creating that so technology from that piece is

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just one side on the other technical side of it  I I mean I think I could let Paco speak on that

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piece but you know the connection in things like  projection systems and leaderboards and tracking

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data is also very exciting for a large part of  the market group as well. So we believe that the

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the technology is the missing link that brought  uh this kind of uh it's the key element that

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brought everything together, right? So we have the  bike, we have the instructor, we have the rider.

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So it was like three different parts at the same  studio at the same place, right? With technology

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is bringing everything together to create the  community. That's the biggest advance in the last

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years regarding indoor cycling, right? And and  technology allows you to to to connect everything

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in the class. I remember when I was teaching  the class, it was everything about the workout.

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during the workout. Today is is more than that.  Before the workout, what you are doing as a rider,

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as a class participant before the workout,  right? Before it was just I jump into the class,

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you know, I go like 10 minutes before  I put my bottle of water, my towel,

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I I don't need to reser my bike just to be 10  minutes before or even half an hour before or

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even 1 hour before. Today through technology you  can make reservation you can that's before the

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class instructor also prepare and design the class  before right so during the class what happened

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everything and after the class I mean you see your  metrics you see how good you were into the class

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and where you were in the leaderboard during the  class and at the end of the class right that's

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what technology brought to indoor cycling I think  that is this the main factor that it will keep

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indoccycling growing and growing and growing.  Yeah, that's a great point. So number one,

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the impact of technology, right, is you have the  global reach. What I hear from you, number two,

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right, technology allows us to objectively measure  performance. Who doesn't love that? I mean, I love

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going to a class and seeing a leaderboard, right?  I I I'm going to work harder and I want to be at

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the top of the leaderboard so I can also measure  my performance. So then like you both said it

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connects everybody ultimately and it you're part  of something bigger. You're part of a community

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and you're able to connect with people sometimes  not just in your class but on a global scale

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which I think is really cool. So as instructors in  your experience this it sounds like it's sort of

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shifted to being like okay here's what we're going  to do today to this more holistic approach to the

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class right there are other elements that make  up a class other than just the workout itself.

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Is that right? Yeah definitely. you know, you're  creating now a more immersive experience for your

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your students. And the idea of technology helps  me as an instructor to be able to do that much

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better than I maybe I could or not better but in a  different way. And I'm also the benefit of indoor

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cycling is that the rider controls the intensity.  They can manage all of that on their own. If we

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were to ask you know most people is exercise  fun? I often talk about this uh it's fun for you

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and me and Paco because we do it every day. you  know, this is our life. We could walk into a gym

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anywhere and feel comfortable walking into that.  But if you have someone who's brand new and most,

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you know, 30% of more of a someone attending to  a club have never had that experience. They're

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they're they are a beginner. So, a beginner in an  indoor cycling class, I love it. They can control

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the intensity. It's non-impact. Now, we've got  this really fun immersive experience. And now

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we've elevated that for an individual whereas  before it's like oh I got to lift weights and I

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don't know what to do and you know so it's it's  just a whole a whole way to engage with people

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differently. So that technology experience is one  part of it but the engagement from that entire

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experience is a really cool cool opportunity  to to have a broader reach I think. So you yeah

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you love metrics someone might might don't they  don't care what their power is. They don't care

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what their heart rate. They just want to have a  good time. They want to listen to great music,

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be in a fun studio, and just move to the beat of  the music. They don't they might not care a single

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second if they've hit any of their power training  zones that day. They're just there for that fun

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that experience. So, it really has a really broad  appeal. They they don't care if they're a first

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on the leaderboard. They're last. They're having  a good time. Christa Christa made a a excellent

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description of what we created the right because  this is the concept this is our concept this is

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the kind of concept it's 100% adapted to all  situation right so intensity is play a very

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important role because I mean uh for us it's  very important that everybody knows how hard is

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working or how hard is riding and why he do that  and how he can do it right and and it is like in

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our concept you can have like a top cyclist  top three athlete a guy that is doing a lot

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of strength and with a lot of muscle mass and  you can have that person that I mean probably

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he's is is he's uh aerobic condition is not very  high but he adapted to his own intensity right

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so that's the concept and then you bring some  music you get fun if you want to compete you

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compete you can equalize the competition watts  per kilogram it is not the the strongest but it

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can be equalized by watts per kilogram but it's  a very important tool for that leaderboard so

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when you created the ride was that missing in  the marketplace like what was the inspiration

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for creating the ride? Uh well timing wise  it was you know we had it had been something

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we had wanted to do for a very long time. We had  this concept in our mind that this you know this

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would be a great opportunity then co hit and it  just slammed us into it a lot quicker than what

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it was. But what we wanted to do differently is  that we wanted to make it truly to be global. We

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have instructors from all over the world teaching  for us and training for us. We wanted to have that

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connection of it to be first of all that global  connection and we also wanted to to have anyone

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whatever type of bike they were riding on to be  able to be part of the ride. And that was really

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what Paco was talking about when we're training  with intensity. If you want to train with power,

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you train with power. If you want to train with  heart rate, you train with heart rate. If you

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want to train with rating of perceived exertion,  you train with that. If you want to train with the

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color zones that match the RP, we've got that  for you. as well. So, it was really trying to

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create an inclusive indoor cycling experience. We  wanted the quality to be there. We wanted there to

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be consistency. We wanted to have a standard  format. It's here. Here's our three types of

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rides. If you like working with rhythm, we've got  a class for you. If you want to work with metrics,

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we have ride race for you. If you want to, you got  only 20 30 minutes on your calendar and you want

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to do a rush a hit based class, we have that for  you as you as for you. So, you know, when Paco and

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I were working on this, we we really looked at who  goes to classes, what would their interests be,

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and how do we then appeal to to those interests as  well? Yeah. A question for me as Yeah, absolutely.

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A question for me as I think about it really is  like with all of your experience from the both of

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you and seeing so many classes, participating in  so many classes, at the end of the day for you,

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what do you think separates like an average  class from a really great class? And Paco,

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you can go ahead. It looks like you're excited  to to answer. So, why you point to me? I mean,

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because you went Okay, let's go. Let's go. Let's  go. That's a really good question, right? Um but

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let's talk about about our concept, right? So  um you know um even that people think that that

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there is not science behind the concept is a  lot of science behind the right concept. Right?

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Because I mean the science is there you know it is  the methodology you use and you bring into and you

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incorporate into the concept is the key element  that the the concept became successful or not

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right. So uh you know I mean we felt that that  that the indoor cycling it was instructors that

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they were teaching classes too much into the  power training you know just metrics and and

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and come on be your best and blah blah blah you  know and trying to to to that all all the riders

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that attend to your class become cyclist. Now only  probably only 5% the people that tend to our class

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they are cyclist or they like cycling outdoors  right and also we don't want to take to this part

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where it's all about fun jumping moving on the  bike no right we want to bring everything together

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right so that was the reason why we created just  three type of glasses right rush rhythm and rays

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so it's everything integrated. Okay, intensity  is our main component, right? So, RAS is heat

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training. I mean, and today you know how important  is to train intervals, you know, just to keep your

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V2 max because V2 max is now a very important  tool for your longevity, you know, and for your

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healthy. So for your health to became healthier  and and the rhythm it is more based on getting

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fun you know music put turn off the light get  some disco lights there you know play the music

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very hard and race it's all about metrics right so  we blend everything together and I think that this

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is a very important part and factor that influence  that the right is so success go anything to add on

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top of that yeah yeah I was going to I think going  back to you know what make did you what was the

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question like what makes a really great class and  in all of my years and I've been teaching a long

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time and I go in and I teach courses and the first  question I ask stu my attendees always I ask the

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same question what makes a great indoor cycling  class I actually ask that question and the first

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thing people always say pretty much right there  they say music all right and if you think about

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it it's it's it's is a driving factor of that.  So they say music because in our mind the music

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becomes part of the road map of the ride. They say  things the instructor this instructor is gauging

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you know they're connecting with us they're making  it enjoyable. They'll say that they understand the

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format of the ride or what's happening in the  class all these other things. Never rarely in

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all my years did someone say to me the instructor  was technically excellent as a cyclist. you know,

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so it wasn't it's not, you know, it's a  skill set that that we can teach and train,

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but it's all those other factors that really make  that that experience. It's understanding how to

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put a class together. It's being there before the  ride, you know, getting the music on and the music

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and talking to people and connecting with them,  not just before the class, but before the class,

00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:10.320
at the end of the class, like, how was it?  Oh, I was really uncomfortable. Hey, well,

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let me work with you and set up your bike a little  bit differently for the next time you come. So,

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it's it's all of those pieces that come  together. So, it's not just one thing,

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but it is a skill set that we are able to train  people to be able to be really good instructors.

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They may not be technically excellent in terms  of their their ability to ride out on the road,

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but they certainly can do a really good job on  uh you know, in an indoor cycling class. So,

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it really it allows them to have another skill  set to to bring to the table. Yeah, that was

00:22:41.280 --> 00:22:45.360
a great point you made about making it engaging  and I like that you start with that question when

00:22:45.360 --> 00:22:49.840
you're asking. So, let's dive into that more. You  talked about connecting with people, maybe asking

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questions prior to the class, getting there a  little bit early, you know, having a little bit

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of an informality aspect to it, too. What things  make it engaging? So, Chris, I'm going to go right

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back to you. Like, what are other opportunities  for instructors to make a class engaging? Is it

00:23:05.120 --> 00:23:09.120
like what are specific examples? Is it calling  out somebody by name? Is it I don't know. So,

00:23:09.120 --> 00:23:12.560
I'm curious to know more about like what could  actually make a class engaging? What are things

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that you're you're focusing on? Yeah. I mean all  those things that you've mentioned it it's it's

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the little things I think that make a difference  as an instructor you know over the years is that

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um we we know uh we need to appeal to a really  great uh broad audience. So understanding for

00:23:31.600 --> 00:23:36.400
me that I'm not going to have all cyclists in my  class. I'm not going to all have all experienced

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intermediate. I'm going to have a mix of  individuals and trying to appeal to all of those

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uh groups is sometimes, you know, a big part of  being a really good instructor is how do I teach

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to the masses on on a regular basis. So, it's  really on how we connect from a level of things

00:23:53.520 --> 00:23:57.760
like Paco was just talking about intensity,  the different ways that we we measure and use

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intensity. What's going to connect and click with  someone? Instructing by invitation is what we say

00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:08.480
is we are inviting people to this experience and  we are there just to guide and coach them just

00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:12.960
like you're coaching athletes. We are coaching  a group of indoor cycling attendees that come

00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:18.240
to that class and everyone needs to be coached a  little bit differently. So from things to how we

00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:23.360
cue the information that we share, the time we  spend with them before and after class, all of

00:24:23.360 --> 00:24:27.520
those types of things are the the little things.  At the end of the day, we're sitting on a on a

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bike and we're pedaling. you know, there's it's  not super more complicated than that, but it's all

00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:37.840
those other little things that actually make it uh  it go from good to great as the saying goes. So,

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I don't know, Paco, if you have anything to add.  Well, and it also depends the time you're teaching

00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:53.600
your class. I mean, let's say that my first class  tomorrow is at 7:30 or 6:30 a.m. So, probably, no,

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I'm sure I have different Mhm. riders that what  I have at 120 or 1:00 p.m. And even it will be

00:25:01.360 --> 00:25:10.000
different, you know, uh the the riders I have  at 8:00 p.m., right? Because I mean 6 a.m. all

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the riders they are training before they go work  you know and the midday riders I mean is there

00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:28.320
uh the lunch uh time you know so they go for a  quick workout 30 minutes and then the riders of

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8:00 p.m. those are the one that they have been  working all day, right? So what I found is that

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the people that are coming early in the morning,  you know, I mean, if they're coming because

00:25:39.120 --> 00:25:43.680
they're they're focused on their workout, you  know? I mean, they don't want to waste their time,

00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:50.080
right? Get in and get out. Get in, get in, get  out, right? So the midday is those that I mean

00:25:50.080 --> 00:25:58.640
they're also uh uh they like metrics and compete,  right? And the one that are coming late evening,

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I mean those they want to be entertainment,  right? They want music, they want fun leaderboard

00:26:05.120 --> 00:26:10.000
and those kind of stuff. But it depends the  time you're teaching. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah,

00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:16.400
I think every club is also a little different. You  adapt to the time, you adapt to the population,

00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:20.800
you adapt to, you know, many different things.  uh depending on what that and that's the same

00:26:20.800 --> 00:26:26.400
thing in what makes a facility successful is do  you understand who it is that you're teaching to

00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:32.000
what market are you trying to appeal to and uh and  going sticking in that lane that will work for for

00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:37.760
you to be to be successful that's so fascinating  I I like Chrisa what you said specifically

00:26:37.760 --> 00:26:42.000
instructing by invitation I really liked and then  Paco hitting on all those different times of the

00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:48.320
day that's not something that I would think about  um so have you improved both of you your DJ skills

00:26:48.320 --> 00:26:54.560
like over time like how do you how much time is  spent on creating like music? It sounds like it's

00:26:54.560 --> 00:27:02.480
a huge deal. It's huge deal. Paco, you hear this?  Well, it depends. Something that I learned uh

00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:09.680
through all these years is Okay, Paco, when when  you finish to create a workout and put all the

00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:16.720
music together, don't go back and listen because  probably I'm going to change something, right?

00:27:18.320 --> 00:27:24.320
So it's always been the same you know because at  the end of the day it's really difficult I mean

00:27:24.320 --> 00:27:33.360
from my from my experience to be 100% happy what  you created right you always like to get that 100%

00:27:33.360 --> 00:27:43.920
uh right but uh music okay so putting all the  workout together for me I always uh what I do

00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:51.680
always at the beginning is to know what I want to  teach which kind of class or type of class I going

00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:59.040
to teach is today like a heat training it is like  a rhythm class or a race class right so that needs

00:27:59.040 --> 00:28:06.160
to be clear right what I going to put everything  together in terms of intensity right then I choose

00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:14.000
the music because I am a believer that any music  fits in every workout right so there is no music

00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:20.080
for heat there is No music for rhythm. There is no  music for race. Right? It is more how you motivate

00:28:20.080 --> 00:28:27.920
your writers. Okay? I I tell you a secret. I mean  the music I use in my classes that is not the

00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:36.160
music I listen when I am in my car or when I am at  home. Right. That's right. When when my kids are

00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:41.200
on the Spotify playlist and they're like there's  mom's fitness just like turn that off. It's just

00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:46.960
a totally different but but to your point there  it is a big part of it. Paco downplays but Paco's

00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:53.600
really excellent at creating amazing playlist  like he's like top notch top notch I would say

00:28:53.600 --> 00:28:59.920
but it is really it takes time. It is a big it's  easier nowadays than it ever has been when we we

00:28:59.920 --> 00:29:04.160
won't even tell you what we started with many  years ago. But you know the systems that are

00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:09.040
there that to help you even workout builders and  those types of tools that we have now certainly

00:29:09.040 --> 00:29:15.120
uh create the opportunity to to just take it up  to the next level. But look I was last last week

00:29:15.120 --> 00:29:21.600
I was in Switzerland right? uh we were closing a  deal with one of our client and and then I teached

00:29:21.600 --> 00:29:28.960
a a class right and 50 studio bikes Keiser  studio bikes you know so I play some music

00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:33.680
you know like heartbeat techno music you know  and one of the guys they came to me and said oh

00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:41.680
man this is a this is a very strong beat music  you know like a club music and I mean are you

00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:47.360
not too old for that music you didn't like that  music I mean the music is my tool Right. I mean,

00:29:47.360 --> 00:29:55.600
I'm not old to get a hammer, you know. So, it's  my tool. So, it doesn't matter how age you are,

00:29:55.600 --> 00:30:01.040
you know? I mean, you use your music. I told  him I use my music as a tool. I'm using my

00:30:01.040 --> 00:30:06.960
music to sit and relax because I couldn't never  listen to this music. You know what I mean? So,

00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:16.560
I mean, if you have that clear, use your music as  a tool. Mhm. Paco, I'm picturing you like having

00:30:16.560 --> 00:30:21.280
a dinner party and having guests over and you  know, you plug in your iPhone and stuff or you

00:30:21.280 --> 00:30:24.720
listen to some music and you have something for  the appetizers, you have something for the first

00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:28.160
course, you have something for the second course  and you're taking them through this immersive

00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:33.920
experience of being hosted at your house through  through your music. Yeah. And I think that the

00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:38.240
case that happened the same that they have  all all the cycling instructors, you know,

00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:44.160
when you listen music, you know, and you start to  move your feet, you know, like clap on the floor,

00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:50.320
you know, that music would be a good fix in  your Exactly. You're always you're always on

00:30:50.320 --> 00:30:54.640
the playlist. You're always thinking, how  could I use that song in my would that be

00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:58.800
a great Is that going to be a great interval  training song? I'm going to use that. You know,

00:30:58.800 --> 00:31:03.680
even in early days when Paco and I used to do the  conference circle circuit and we'd have music on,

00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:09.680
we'd even have like a drummer come in and play  with so so much fun and so so so many ways that

00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:13.920
you can use uh music in a in a way. Well, cool.  It's great to get your guys' perspective on that.

00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:19.200
And earlier you mentioned measuring intensities  and leveraging uh Paco, you had just mentioned,

00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:26.320
you know, studio display. So um my question  is what are those different ways that we are

00:31:26.320 --> 00:31:31.920
able to measure intensity in a class? He said one  thing may work for this person but a better way to

00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:37.680
measure that is you know this way this method.  So um open question to the both of you and and

00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:41.920
whoever wants to take this can begin but what  are the best ways that we're measuring intensity

00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:47.520
in our classes? Grace go ahead. No you no you go  ahead. I've been talking I've been talking a lot.

00:31:47.520 --> 00:31:55.920
I'll let you talk. and very important right I mean  we know three different method well let's say we

00:31:55.920 --> 00:32:05.200
know right let's say that in our concept the right  I mean our classes are designed to use the three

00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:15.760
different method that we know that you can control  intensity right okay so power and I will come back

00:32:15.760 --> 00:32:23.360
later with power power heart rate and perception  of effort. So everybody related to sport knows

00:32:23.360 --> 00:32:32.240
that perception of effort was the first method to  measure intensity, right? Heart rate calculator

00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:40.480
and power now is the top top of the pop. Let's say  that is the one that everybody's using. I I want

00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:52.000
to bring here in this podcast gave that Keiser  was the first company that introduce power in

00:32:52.000 --> 00:33:02.480
the indoor cycling community. Mhm. Right. So no  one until 2006 has a display on their bike that

00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:08.240
measure power. There were some of them they were  having a display in Indoscond classes that you

00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:18.080
could measure cadence but never power. So we  have more than 20 years of experience training

00:33:18.080 --> 00:33:25.680
with power and what we did is to bring that  science method of control intensity you know

00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:33.600
and adapt to indoccycling right so and this is  something that I mean I don't know if sometimes

00:33:33.600 --> 00:33:38.720
people that listen this podcast will tell wow  you guys think that you are the best no we are

00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:47.920
not the best we were the first one Right? And I  really believe that who hit first and hit good,

00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:53.280
you know, became the best. Right? And and this  is something that we understand and this company

00:33:53.280 --> 00:33:59.920
understand about power and why power is important  or is too trendy now to measure intensity because

00:33:59.920 --> 00:34:05.840
power is there. You just go on your bike, you  start pedal and you see your power. The only you

00:34:05.840 --> 00:34:14.720
need to to do and to find out is your FTP. If you  want we can talk more about later. And that's it.

00:34:14.720 --> 00:34:20.320
Very easy to control your intensity. You don't  need to bring anything. We are doing this since

00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:29.680
2006. The heart rate. Everybody knows heart rate  and perception of effort. But a very important

00:34:29.680 --> 00:34:40.400
characterist at the same time in our classes  you can control intensity feeling the energy

00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:48.560
you produce how your body responds heart rate  and how your body feels regarding heart rate

00:34:48.560 --> 00:34:56.960
and power. That's what I mean the science behind  the right. Awesome. Thank you so much. Chris,

00:34:56.960 --> 00:35:01.680
I would love for you to maybe expand on some of  that. Um the maybe hitting on the importance of

00:35:01.680 --> 00:35:07.840
power and then this term that Paco used which was  FTP and maybe where functional threshold power the

00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:13.600
importance of functional threshold power. Yeah.  I I think when we look at power really what we're

00:35:13.600 --> 00:35:18.320
looking at is a mechanical output in terms of  we're working with gear and we're working with

00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:23.120
cadence. So if we look at the formula power  equals force times velocity. So when we're

00:35:23.120 --> 00:35:28.400
looking on working with our bikes, we're powers  are is measured in watts. The force is the gear,

00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:33.280
the intensity that we're at, and the cadence  is the RPM that we're riding at. And we've

00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:39.440
seen the output. If we look at the higher those  watts are when we look at it from a work output,

00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:43.280
we're going to feel that it's going to be  more challenging the higher the higher those

00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:47.920
power numbers are. And your students can actually  start to see that and correlate that really. Oh,

00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:53.520
my heart's pounding more. My power is up. my  rating of perceived exertion is higher. So,

00:35:53.520 --> 00:35:58.080
it really ties in that. Whereas heart rate, we  know variable factors, things like I've been

00:35:58.080 --> 00:36:03.120
overtraining or I had terrible sleep or I've had  three cups of coffee, my heart rate's going to

00:36:03.120 --> 00:36:08.960
respond to that. Mechanically on my bike, if I'm  riding at this cadence at this uh gear, I'm going

00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:12.720
to see what my power output is. And some days  that power is going to output is going to feel

00:36:12.720 --> 00:36:17.440
easy and some days it's not going to feel so easy.  But that's the number that I'm working towards.

00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:23.440
So it's a really effective tool to be able to tie  all of that together and you know people get a lot

00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:27.680
you know there it's confusion you know what is  functional threshold power and I can get Paco to

00:36:27.680 --> 00:36:33.440
talk about the de definition piece of it but if  we look at you know riders can see and feel that

00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:37.920
right away even if they know don't understand  anything about power if they're pedaling super

00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:44.160
fast with no gear or very little load on it their  watts are they're low or they've put tons of gear

00:36:44.160 --> 00:36:48.800
but they can barely pedal well they've got lots  of load but they don't have much velocity. Again,

00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:53.520
they're not maximizing their power output. So,  you start to correlate with what I'm seeing on

00:36:53.520 --> 00:36:57.680
the on my console, what I'm feeling,  and what are my numbers uh you know,

00:36:57.680 --> 00:37:02.720
uh showing on that. So, it's a nice other tool  to add to that indoor cycling experience. And

00:37:02.720 --> 00:37:09.120
we don't do it in any other fitness classes  right now. We do it on in indoor cycling.

00:37:09.120 --> 00:37:17.760
Paco, you want to maybe just expand on the FTP?  What function? Oh, yeah. Um okay let's go for it

00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:26.400
because I mean FTP FTP is now the magical number  right and and it is very important to know what

00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:35.680
is FTP what means FTP and what's more important  for everybody is that FTP is not everything right

00:37:35.680 --> 00:37:44.080
how we are using FTP in our classes I mean FTP is  a good tool to set up your levels your different

00:37:44.080 --> 00:37:52.160
levels of int intensity in your class. So the  the meth the power training methodology created

00:37:52.160 --> 00:38:04.720
by Andre Kogan and Hilter Allen back in 1995 I  believe it uh they uh created that methodology and

00:38:04.720 --> 00:38:12.160
they brought like seven different levels right so  guess what so we have like 10 level of perception

00:38:12.160 --> 00:38:22.080
of effort right five different zones or level of  heart rate and seven of power. It was like a you

00:38:22.080 --> 00:38:27.760
know and and your perception of effort it is now  it should be now eight. Your heart rate should

00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:33.120
be very close to five and your power it should  be like five. Oh my god or like six you know

00:38:33.120 --> 00:38:39.680
where I am. So something that we did real good and  Christa can go more on that is to bring everything

00:38:39.680 --> 00:38:48.640
together because we believe that in the classes  everything goes as very easy easy moderate hard

00:38:48.640 --> 00:38:57.520
and very hard that's it I mean it is never like I  need to stop because I don't pedal anymore because

00:38:57.520 --> 00:39:03.840
an indoor cycling remember it is a aerobic class  a mainly aerobic class you never stop pedaling

00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:13.200
Well, you stop peding at the end of the class,  right? So, we we created those kind of levels. So,

00:39:13.200 --> 00:39:22.160
and then what is coming FTP? FTP is help to create  the power level. So, we our methodology is just

00:39:22.160 --> 00:39:31.120
five power levels, right? So, the definition  of FTP is the highest average power you can

00:39:31.120 --> 00:39:40.640
sustain for about 1 hour. Okay. But we discover  that that doesn't work with everybody the same

00:39:40.640 --> 00:39:46.240
way. Let's say that I'm doing now a FTP test  with you and Christa and with me and we go to

00:39:46.240 --> 00:39:54.880
one class and I tell okay let's go for one hour  200 watts is my FTP 210 is yours and increase to

00:39:54.880 --> 00:40:04.720
100 80 for example right so I'm sure it's going  to be difficult that we all hold that intensity

00:40:04.720 --> 00:40:15.040
for about 1 hour right because it will depends  about how your body use your energy sources,

00:40:15.040 --> 00:40:21.680
right? Like you are more anorobic or more aerobic,  right? So the definition is or the new definition

00:40:21.680 --> 00:40:30.000
from the FTP is the highest average power you're  able to sustain somewhere between 30 minutes up to

00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:38.640
70 minutes. It will depends your if you are a pro  cyclist or if you are just a recreative cyclist,

00:40:38.640 --> 00:40:47.280
right? and about your condition. So something  that we discovered too is that the the uh the

00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:56.240
test the main test to uh estimate your FTP the 20  minute test right it was too long to incorporate

00:40:56.240 --> 00:41:05.680
to our classes to Keiser again and Chris and I  we designed a fiveinut test with a lot of science

00:41:05.680 --> 00:41:14.880
behind the the the test right so we apply a a  factor a correction factor what is 80%. Right?

00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:22.800
And then we can estimate the FTP but again there  is people that don't like to be tested during the

00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:31.440
class. I mean this happens. So through our old  experience and through our so many tests we did

00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:39.760
in the past and we're still doing we created  an algorithm based on your weight, your age,

00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:46.400
your physical condition and how many days per  week you attending to a cycling class. So we

00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:57.520
can estimate very close what is your FTP, right?  So you go there the nice and color studio display

00:41:57.520 --> 00:42:05.120
you input your FTP and all the colors coming up  and then you wear your heart rate you connect

00:42:05.120 --> 00:42:14.240
your smartwatch you see your heart rate you see  your power and then how your body feel you know

00:42:14.240 --> 00:42:19.920
yeah perhaps perhaps if you're perhaps if you're  a 6 a.m. you're a lunchtime or a nighttime rider

00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:27.680
too should be one of the questions. Um Christa  question on that now. So with Keiser's innovations

00:42:27.680 --> 00:42:33.600
uh especially recently how have things like the  studio display and M series group app really

00:42:33.600 --> 00:42:40.480
impacted the efficacy and experience in cycling?  Yeah, it's been really exciting on the Studio Plus

00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:45.600
console. Now we have the opportunity to enter  FTP right into the riders console. So they're

00:42:45.600 --> 00:42:51.120
able to when to talk Paco talks about train within  those levels, you're able to see I'm in zone 1,

00:42:51.120 --> 00:42:56.640
I'm in zone 2, 3, four, five, even into six and  seven if you choose to to work with a seven zone.

00:42:56.640 --> 00:43:02.000
So we can then test for it like Paco said and or  we can use our estimation tool, give something to,

00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:07.360
you know, give someone the information that they  need to start now experiencing what that will be

00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:12.000
like and how that correlates together. The other  new feature on the console, which is really neat,

00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:17.200
is that we know that we're not right in a zone,  but we can be at the low end of zone 3 or we

00:43:17.200 --> 00:43:22.560
could be at the high or the middle. So on the  console itself, we created a a progress bar so

00:43:22.560 --> 00:43:27.920
you can see where you are within those zones  as well because I might be in the sweet spot

00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:33.040
between zone 3 and zone four. I might be at the  high end of my zone 5, you know, those things. So

00:43:33.040 --> 00:43:38.800
it it just is it's a gamecher because it just  is allowing us to use that information. Um,

00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:43.360
the other feature that's really cool is that  we have that on built into to our app. So,

00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:48.960
the M series app allows you to enter your FTP.  It allows you to actually follow along on a test

00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:54.960
to be able to do a proper FTP test or you can  estimate it within that and have that data just

00:43:54.960 --> 00:44:00.560
right there at at your fingertips to be able to  take and use into into a class. So, maybe your

00:44:00.560 --> 00:44:05.760
bike isn't with a new studio console. you can  still use your download the M series app, enter

00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:10.720
your information and and ride on our M3i bikes  and be able to be connected and use those training

00:44:10.720 --> 00:44:16.800
zones effectively. So, yeah, it's a gamecher  I think because for those people that um are

00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:21.440
really into whether they're into getting deeper  into it or they're just learning it, it there's a

00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:27.120
little bit of something for everyone within that.  So, yeah, really exciting. And it's also Christa

00:44:27.120 --> 00:44:34.240
that that the new studio display closed the gap.  You know when I when I say close the gap is like

00:44:34.240 --> 00:44:42.080
I mean when you coming into a Keiser class I  mean if you have the news studio you display

00:44:42.080 --> 00:44:50.640
your app your individual app your M series group  app I mean wherever you look I mean you are into

00:44:50.640 --> 00:44:59.840
the Keiser immers into the EOS right you look  to your display you see that dial color dial

00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:06.800
you know, animated color dial, you know, going up  and down wherever you are on on your level. So,

00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:12.240
you look to your app, I mean, you can see the same  color dial. And if you look to the group to see

00:45:12.240 --> 00:45:18.000
what is doing your film next to you, you see also  the same the same environment. Work harder. Let's

00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:24.800
go. I'm harder than you, right? I'm more powerful  than you. It is funny. at the beginning, you know,

00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:31.120
when we brought the old display, the MCON display.  So, you see how the people were writing and look,

00:45:31.120 --> 00:45:38.960
you know, which gear you wear, right? Which which  gear you wear, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um um I

00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:44.160
always use something that is very funny you know  because I mean it's like you know when you go to

00:45:44.160 --> 00:45:50.880
the gym and you do like this kind of bench press  you know always everybody or your friend is asking

00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:58.720
you okay how much you can leave on your bench  press bench press I mean you say oh I can do like

00:45:58.720 --> 00:46:06.800
you know 200 200 pounds or 220 pounds you know  wow that's too much. So my question always was how

00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:15.760
many reps right that happened also with power when  well I can you know I can pedal like 500 watts for

00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:25.520
how long right but today I mean you see with the  levels that is not how much power you can you can

00:46:25.520 --> 00:46:31.520
generate it is how long you can keep the power  in the level what the structure is telling you

00:46:31.520 --> 00:46:37.920
to be right Mhm. Yeah. On the strength, sorry  to interrupt. And on the strength side too,

00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:42.240
we have not only how many reps you can do, right?  But same thing. How fast can you do it? As Chris

00:46:42.240 --> 00:46:46.800
mentioned before, four times loss, right? Like  how fast can you actually do the that 200 pound

00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:51.120
move that 200 lb. So Krista, go ahead. No,  I was just going to add to that. You know,

00:46:51.120 --> 00:46:56.240
you were asking about the console 2 itself and you  know, maybe a club wants to train in seven zones,

00:46:56.240 --> 00:47:00.320
but you can train in seven, you can train in five,  you can train in six. The other nice feature,

00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:04.800
and I think I mentioned earlier, is that if you're  working in rehab, it's one of the first bikes to

00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:09.440
have a very few bikes to have METS. So, we measure  METSS as well. So, lots of really neat features

00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:14.080
to be able to add to that experience. It was a  thoughtful approach of what does an instructor

00:47:14.080 --> 00:47:18.400
need to teach with and what does a rider need  to be able to, you know, what data points are

00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:23.840
they interested in and trying to be able to  cover cover those in that experience. So, yeah,

00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:30.320
it's great. Very cool. Sound sounds like it it  offers a very individualized approach if needed

00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:34.800
which I think is really cool that you have that  custom ability and then going back to you know

00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:40.160
making it engaging. Who doesn't love seeing colors  you know on the screen so that that obviously is a

00:47:40.160 --> 00:47:46.000
driving motivating factor. So now I'm just curious  to know kind of you've both been in this education

00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:53.360
space as well for quite some time. Can you speak  on the impact of just education and maybe offering

00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:58.320
not just a class and a ride class, but really  going in and educating on the importance of

00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:02.080
these things related to indoor cycling? Chris, I'm  going to go to you and then Paco, you can add on

00:48:02.080 --> 00:48:08.000
after. I mean, that's been my lifelong mantra is  that education and fitness have to come together

00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:12.160
because you can have a great great piece of  equipment, but if nobody knows how to use it

00:48:12.160 --> 00:48:17.040
or understand it or educate it around it, then  we're certainly missing a key component. Yeah.

00:48:17.040 --> 00:48:23.760
our you know our goal is to provide education to  the users so that they to the instructors and to

00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:29.360
the trainers out there using it so that they can  create the best experience that they can for their

00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:35.440
members at the end of the day. So having a good  understanding of the you know the key components

00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:40.480
of even the mechanics of the bike and then here's  how do we use technology and here's the physiology

00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:45.440
piece of it and here's how to design a ride  and put a ride like how do we how do we use the

00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:50.880
science to create the rides itself. So our goal  is we're going to give you all the information so

00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:57.120
that you can go out into the field and to be feel  really successful and feel educated and and and

00:48:57.120 --> 00:49:01.440
uh to use that to inspire you to maybe even learn  more. you know, you learn about the Keiser bike,

00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:05.520
maybe I want to now find out about the Keiser  functional trainer, you know, so it's really

00:49:05.520 --> 00:49:10.880
a cyclical approach that we have to education  is that, you know, every time I go in, whether

00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:15.440
someone's been teaching for the very first time,  never, or forever, you know, we ask, did we learn

00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:19.680
something new? Did it question what we thought we  knew, or does it reinforce what we already know?

00:49:19.680 --> 00:49:26.400
And we've uh we we really go with that approach  to our our education. I I always say that behind

00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:34.960
a good instructor there is always a great training  program always. and and an instructor is always

00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:41.920
supported by a good training program because  that's the tool you have that's the science behind

00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:48.000
you that help you to create everything right and  you see the different I mean you see you see when

00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:55.200
an instructor is supported by by a training a good  training product and a club from a club persp as

00:49:55.200 --> 00:50:01.040
a club owner and a manager I want my equipment to  be used so I want my team to be able to know how

00:50:01.040 --> 00:50:07.840
to use is I always it was our mandate to invest  in education for our team. Not only does it keep

00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:13.760
them more engaged in your club and they want to be  there, it's just pays off in dividends in terms of

00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:18.880
more people in classes, you know, more people  training in your gym, a more educated, engaged

00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:23.280
staff, you know, members that are happier because  they feel like they're safe and they feel like

00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:28.080
they're taken care of. So, it it certainly has  huge benefits all around in a club environment.

00:50:28.080 --> 00:50:33.920
For sure. Yeah. And in a profession where there  tends to be a lot of turnover too at clubs,

00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:38.560
boutique gyms, anything like that, it's always  nice to maybe have those managing members also

00:50:38.560 --> 00:50:43.520
have that level of education so that it can exist  their other me, you know, their other trainers or

00:50:43.520 --> 00:50:47.120
instructors that are coming in and out of their  doors, which I think is really important too. You

00:50:47.120 --> 00:50:51.440
want to have that quality experience no matter  who is maybe leading that session. So awesome.

00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:58.800
So a question to the both of you. What excites  you most about the future of indoor cycling?

00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:06.800
everything everything what we have and everything  what is coming that probably even we don't know

00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:15.520
yet right but we expect that is coming I think  everything you know um I think that we have

00:51:15.520 --> 00:51:24.960
both of us we have a gift being a being a indo  instructors because um it is a great activity it

00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:32.160
it is a great great training no impact At the end  of the day, uh it is a group, but like like you

00:51:32.160 --> 00:51:39.600
mentioned it, you know, it is somebody a person  that is training himself in a group environment,

00:51:39.600 --> 00:51:47.040
right? And for us, it's a gift to became a  cycling instructor, right? And the future is

00:51:47.040 --> 00:51:55.840
there. We are creating the future. Look what we  were uh in 2006 or 1998 where we are now. I mean

00:51:55.840 --> 00:52:03.760
we talking about about technology how we connect  people that's Keiser Keiser main characteristic

00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:13.040
is a a company that innovate constantly right and  and you know we're talking about now we are now

00:52:13.040 --> 00:52:19.120
talking about the right but we every day when we  meet we're talking about what we need to create

00:52:19.120 --> 00:52:29.920
when we need to do it and and yeah it's a non  impact activity cycling [Music] till we're 100.

00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:34.080
How do you Paco Paco? I know there's nothing that  doesn't, you know, that doesn't excite you. So,

00:52:34.080 --> 00:52:37.360
um I appreciate that. Krista, how about for  yourself? Just as you look at the future of indoor

00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:42.080
cycling and where it's headed. I think it's really  exciting. There's this term omni fitness where

00:52:42.080 --> 00:52:46.800
consumers are interested in being able to work  at home. They're interested in being able to work

00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:53.040
in the club and virtual. And I think the exciting  is that we can now reach a greater broad audience

00:52:53.040 --> 00:52:58.960
beyond what we ever could because of things like  virtual classes or clubs that sit empty half of

00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:03.360
the studios that sit empty half of the day. Well,  we can provide you with an a virtual on demand

00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:08.480
class. You know, there's so many things that we  can do and over my many many years in fitness is

00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:13.440
it's always changing. It's always innovating. It's  always exciting. We're always learning and that's

00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:18.240
an environment that I think is is really exciting  moving forward. So, lots of opportunities as we

00:53:18.240 --> 00:53:22.480
move into the future. So, excited for that  as well. Seems like one of the really cool

00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:26.400
things that happened, especially post pandemic,  was people really want to own their time and be

00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:30.720
able to train when they want to. So, now instead  of having to just go to a class necessarily that's

00:53:30.720 --> 00:53:34.800
in person or they have to travel to the gym and  take more of their time. Just the ability to

00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:38.640
have that connectivity whenever they need it,  you know, from their phone, from their iPad,

00:53:38.640 --> 00:53:42.880
whatever is a really great awesome thing. So, I  am curious to know where it's going to go next.

00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:50.640
I know there's a lot of uh um coming and going of  trends uh in in fitness especially. So curious to

00:53:50.640 --> 00:53:55.200
see what resurfaces and then you know what happens  next. So I appreciate that and and all of your

00:53:55.200 --> 00:54:01.040
thoughts today. I have a couple of fun quicker  closing questions for the both of you. Um and

00:54:01.040 --> 00:54:05.040
we're going to go Paco answers first and Chrisa  just so we can make them a little bit quicker

00:54:05.040 --> 00:54:10.240
here. With all of your travels, okay, with all of  your travels that that you mentioned earlier in

00:54:10.240 --> 00:54:18.960
the episode here, your favorite type of cuisine  is blank. Go ahead, Paco. No, I had you. Oh,

00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:24.640
it's me. I thought you said that. I'm gonna say  Thai food. I'm I'm going to go Thai food. Well,

00:54:24.640 --> 00:54:32.080
I'm busy with food. You know what I mean? I always  try to Yeah, why not? I mean I mean I'm not this

00:54:32.080 --> 00:54:37.680
kind of guy that travel and you know travel trying  to find a Spanish restaurant somewhere. No, no,

00:54:37.680 --> 00:54:44.080
no. Try different. No, no, no. If I go to a place,  I will try all the dishes. I mean the So, what's

00:54:44.080 --> 00:54:49.680
been your favorite? Oh, my favorite or something  you weren't expecting that ended up being really

00:54:49.680 --> 00:55:00.080
great. My favorite, you know, my favorite is  they call Cuban rice. It is two fried eggs.

00:55:00.080 --> 00:55:08.720
White rice and a fried banana. That's my favorite  plate. And a plantain. Okay. I like it. I like it.

00:55:08.720 --> 00:55:14.480
All right. How about Do you ever try it? Okay.  Never try it. Yeah. We have a Cuban restaurant

00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:20.560
down the street here. Oh, there you go. We'll try  it. 90 Mile Cuban Cafe. Check it out. Cuban rice.

00:55:20.560 --> 00:55:24.960
Tuesday night. Tuesday night whole pig roast.  So, hog roast over there. So, yeah. No, give me

00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:30.800
some black beans, some plantains, rice. I love it.  I'm I'm all in. some pulled pork. Yes, I'm in. So,

00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:34.880
okay, we'll start with Krista then. I'm curious  because I do this on the strength side for sure.

00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:39.200
I will sometimes Yeah, I spend so much time in  the gym working with people, things like that.

00:55:39.200 --> 00:55:46.400
Sometimes I like to go to a class. Yeah. And I  don't I like to play class member, not instructor.

00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:51.200
So, do you ever find yourself just kind of maybe  walking into a class that you know and sitting in

00:55:51.200 --> 00:55:55.600
the back and going through the class and I guess  that's market research, but do you ever like to

00:55:55.600 --> 00:56:00.960
just do somebody else's class? Yeah, I I actually  really love it because I always learn something

00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:06.960
new or take away something from that experience.  You know, in life, we're either a teacher, right,

00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:11.440
or we're a student and we can't just be one or the  other. I think we need to do both. So, I love to

00:56:11.440 --> 00:56:16.080
have the balance of being not just the teacher,  but also being the student and learning from from

00:56:16.080 --> 00:56:21.280
that experience. So, in the back in the quietly,  unless they point, you know, then you're like,

00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:26.000
"No, I was trying to sneak in." So, yeah. Who does  Yeah. Well said. Well said, Christa. Thanks. Go

00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:32.080
ahead, Paco. Yeah, in our training program,  we recommend we we gave some recommendation

00:56:32.080 --> 00:56:40.080
to the to the instructors, right? And one of the  recommendation is you should try to attend to a

00:56:40.080 --> 00:56:48.320
class of your colle of a class of other instructor  because you learn and sometime you learn what you

00:56:48.320 --> 00:56:56.080
can do and sometime you also learn what you  shouldn't do. Definitely. Definitely. That's

00:56:56.080 --> 00:57:01.600
great. Um, okay. Last question then and we're  going to go back to this topic. When you finally

00:57:01.600 --> 00:57:07.120
have some time to unwind and you're at home and  you get on your bike, what kind of music are you

00:57:07.120 --> 00:57:13.520
listening to? Because for me on the strength  side, it was so much go and so much, you know,

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like loud music. I kind of like listening to  something like smooth jazz or like sometimes even

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classical when I was lifting because it allowed  my mind to just kind of relax a little bit. So,

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I'm just curious to hear from you guys. When you  have time to just pick for yourself and not for

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somebody else, what are you listening to? What  kind of music I listen when I'm Well, I told you

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I told I didn't tell you the kind of music. I told  you that for example, when I train at home on my

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bike, on my studio, I mean, yeah, it depends the  mood, you know. It depends how you feel it, right?

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any music fix, you know, but it it is it is clear  that if that day I want to do a heat workout,

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you know, like a really really hard hit workout.  So, I'm trying to find those kind of music that,

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you know, give me that kind of push to reach that  level, right? Um, any music play, I mean, you know

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what I doing? I doing my my music provider. No.  What is my recommendation for today? I play it.

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Krista, how about yourself? Well, when I'm just at  home listening, I actually love uh I have a record

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collection. So, I like to collect old records. So,  I have a record player and I'll put on anything

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from whatever, you know, new record I've found at  an antique store, I'll play that. So, I like to

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listen to that. But, if I'm actually on my bike, I  do follow along to the ride. So, I will do um our

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ride workouts. I I'll probably do Leos or Tanya  or someone's in Spanish. So, I just kind of just

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get on and ride and not understand a single thing  they're saying, but really enjoy the experience.

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So, that's what I do on my bike. I enjoy the ride.  Oh, so cool. So, I appreciate your time. Christa,

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I'm going to ask you. So, if someone wants to  learn more, if someone's listening, they want to

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learn more about the ride, they want to learn more  about the Keiser M3i and Studio Play, where can

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they go? Yeah, they should. They can reach out to  either Paco and I. I'm sure that information will

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be in the podcast. The go to the Keiser website.  You can click on education um in under the cardio

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section, find education at talks. It's a really  great site about everything that we offer. So, I

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would really recommend you uh check us out there.  We've got the trainers list on there. Paco and I

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are listed on the website as well. So, you can  certainly check it check us out or you can go to

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the ride.iser.com to learn about the ride or the  ride studio if you're a club owner. Um, so lots

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of great options to find out more about what we're  doing and what we're up to. And we have the Keiser

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community. Uh, so please check that out as well.  Awesome. Well, a huge thank you Chris Papoitch

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and Paka Gonzalez. Two of the best that Keiser  in the world of cycling have to offer. Thank you

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for joining us on the Keiser Human Performance  podcast. As Chris mentioned, there are plenty of

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places you can go for continuing education. We'll  make sure that we share those in the episode notes

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and you know places that you can find tutorials,  intensity calculators like your FTP, the Riot

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series and much more. So, thank you everybody.  Thank you for listening and have an awesome